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wkearney99
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | I think it is a handy feature, but it's probably one that most people
need to discover for themselves. It's the kind of thing that most
people think "so what?" when you tell them about it, but once they've
used it for a bit they really like it.
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Yep, it's the "you're a dope for watching live TV argument" that they don't
get at first. Once you've gotten the hang of fast-forwarding them it's
certainly a MUST HAVE feature. I don't miss the 30-second skip since far
too many commericals don't quite adhere to that exact interval.
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George Kerby
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject:
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On 10/23/05 7:56 PM, in article
elmop-279E30.20560023102005@nntp3.usenetserver.com, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <BF819956.2C01F%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice that you don't say the commercials are quality; you say only that
they're better than the programming around them. The commercials are
still inane.
You REALLY need to slow down and smell the roses, Elmo.
The commercials are roses?
Geez, what world do you live in?
A world a lot less anal than yours, I guess. |
Obsessive compulsive behavior and a Type A personality leads to early
medical problems. Like I said, and another poster pointed out: Lighten up
and live well.
Besides, if it were not for those commercials, your cable bill would be
three times what it is.
As an aside, I remember when I was a kid and would go to the movie theatre
(yes the WERE 'theatres' once upon a time), the manager had a table set up
for patrons to sign a petition to prevent "Pay Television". He was convinced
that it would be the end of the world if folks had the movie in their homes.
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Elmo P. Shagnasty
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject:
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In article <BF82407F.2C038%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | You REALLY need to slow down and smell the roses, Elmo.
The commercials are roses?
Geez, what world do you live in?
A world a lot less anal than yours, I guess.
Obsessive compulsive behavior and a Type A personality leads to early
medical problems. Like I said, and another poster pointed out: Lighten up
and live well.
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Accept the commercials when the technology allows me never to even see
them?
Is that what you mean by "lighten up"?
There's an old saying: if you're not outraged, you're not paying
attention. It's never been truer than in these modern times.
| Quote: | Besides, if it were not for those commercials, your cable bill would be
three times what it is.
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You mean, if it weren't for the masses of sheeple who don't buy into the
simple technology that allows them to ignore those commercials.
Yeah, they're useful for some things.
| Quote: | As an aside, I remember when I was a kid and would go to the movie theatre
(yes the WERE 'theatres' once upon a time), the manager had a table set up
for patrons to sign a petition to prevent "Pay Television". He was convinced
that it would be the end of the world if folks had the movie in their homes.
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Newsweek (I think) just reported that in the 1950s, 63% of the public
went to see movies. That is now down to 9%.
Maybe that theater manager was right.
Theater owners are fighting back, with "destination" theaters that cost
$20/ticket. |
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MegaZone
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject:
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Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> shaped the electrons to say:
| Quote: | This statement will be 100% true for CableCard HD TiVo boxes as well, since
without cable, you would get no programming. So, even for a "generic"
device, it's a red herring.
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Not really true since the CableCARD TiVo's are expected to have ATSC
tuners as well, like the DTV box, so you could use it without cable
just an an ATSC DVR - but you would need the TiVo service.
| Quote: | So, for the original poster, it's very unlikely we will ever see an OTA-
only HD PVR...they will all be tied to something else. A dumber DVR for
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Well, we *have* seen them - at least one I can think of off-hand, the
Zenith model. And I think there were a couple of others, but I don't
believe there are any now - the Zenith box flopped, just not enough
interest in something that could record ONLY ATSC.
-MZ
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jolt
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject:
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"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dc62c1d3ca99e9698a092@news.nabs.net...
| Quote: | jolt (ergoacess@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
As far as going with DTV for OTA, the cost of subcription, extra charges,
and two year commitments may not be for everyone. To pay to recieve OTA
and
be required to add programming cost beyond what a subcriber would normaly
carry should be avoided IMO.
I don't pay DirecTV a dime to receive OTA HD, and I don't think anybody
else
does, either (although some people do pay for distant networks, but that's
a different story). For me, the HR10-250 was a DirecTV HD recorder that
happens to record OTA HD as a bonus.
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Jeff Rife | "Don't try this at home, kids. This should
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If you shut down your DTV account will your HR10-250 still record OTA
programming and have a useful guide? If the answer is no then you are tied
to a service which if you decided to leave makes your equipment useless. If
you could cancel your service and TVio could offer you their guide service,
then you would not have to pay DTV a dime for OTA. If the later was true I'd
buy a HR10-250 at today's prices because it would be the hottest deal
going. |
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Tim Grady
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:32 pm Post subject:
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Well, many theater owners saw it as the end of their business, and
they were right.
On 24 Oct 2005 12:40:49 GMT, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
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On 10/23/05 7:56 PM, in article
elmop-279E30.20560023102005@nntp3.usenetserver.com, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
In article <BF819956.2C01F%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
Notice that you don't say the commercials are quality; you say only that
they're better than the programming around them. The commercials are
still inane.
You REALLY need to slow down and smell the roses, Elmo.
The commercials are roses?
Geez, what world do you live in?
A world a lot less anal than yours, I guess.
Obsessive compulsive behavior and a Type A personality leads to early
medical problems. Like I said, and another poster pointed out: Lighten up
and live well.
Besides, if it were not for those commercials, your cable bill would be
three times what it is.
As an aside, I remember when I was a kid and would go to the movie theatre
(yes the WERE 'theatres' once upon a time), the manager had a table set up
for patrons to sign a petition to prevent "Pay Television". He was convinced
that it would be the end of the world if folks had the movie in their homes.
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tim@nocomment.com
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject:
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
| Quote: | In article <fcCdnbdhjsxb1MHenZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
In article <Kf2dnQ_BuK2ZlcHeRVn-uQ@rogers.com>,
"tim@nocomment.com" <tim@nocomment.com> wrote:
Listen asswipe, you watch TV the way you want, and I'll watch it the way
I want. Is that OK or do we all have to get your permission? Jeeze, some
clowns think we all have to do things according to the way they want to.
It's a free world, Nazi-boy!!
You're obviously an insane idiot.
Pot, kettle.
Oh, and thread closed.
What, can't take the heat? Nitwit.
No, you called someone a Nazi.
By definition, thread closed.
No he didn't call anyone a Nazi, I did. And your thinking that you have |
permission to close threads just proves my point. |
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Elmo P. Shagnasty
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject:
Re: a simple request... an OTA HD PVR |
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In article <e9adnSFPxKumdcHeRVn-qg@rogers.com>,
"tim@nocomment.com" <tim@nocomment.com> wrote:
| Quote: | No, you called someone a Nazi.
By definition, thread closed.
No he didn't call anyone a Nazi, I did. And your thinking that you have
permission to close threads just proves my point.
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You've not been around the Usenet much, have you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
May I quote:
"Godwin's law (also Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in
Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law
states that:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a
comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.
"There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a
comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis
has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's law
thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread
length in those groups. "
I don't think that I have permission to close a thread; the thread was
automatically closed the minute the "Nazi" accusation flew. |
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shawn
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:15 pm Post subject:
Re: a simple request... an OTA HD PVR |
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:23:56 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <BF82407F.2C038%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
You REALLY need to slow down and smell the roses, Elmo.
The commercials are roses?
Geez, what world do you live in?
A world a lot less anal than yours, I guess.
Obsessive compulsive behavior and a Type A personality leads to early
medical problems. Like I said, and another poster pointed out: Lighten up
and live well.
Accept the commercials when the technology allows me never to even see
them?
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Enjoy it while you can. These are the halcyon days for the commercial
free use of DVRs. The networks and cable stations aren't going to let
that situation continue forever. I know there's been a good deal of
discussion of doing more product placement in various shows. I'm also
sure the various production houses will be working to get commercial
skipping outlawed by the Congress. If that doesn't happen then maybe
we will see a day when many shows are commercial free, but contain all
kinds of product placements and explicit product mention during the
show?
| Quote: | Is that what you mean by "lighten up"?
There's an old saying: if you're not outraged, you're not paying
attention. It's never been truer than in these modern times.
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If you're outraged all the time you probably aren't enjoying life. :)
| Quote: | Besides, if it were not for those commercials, your cable bill would be
three times what it is.
Theater owners are fighting back, with "destination" theaters that cost
$20/ticket.
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Yeah, $20/ticket will get me to visit the movie theater more often...
They are fighting a losing battle. Especially as we see the release of
new movies to PPV and DVD get much closer to the original theater
release date. There are always going to be a few movies where the
theater experience makes it worth while, but for most movies I (and
quite a few others) are willing to wait a month or so for the DVD
release. That's also probably part of the reason the studios tend to
focus on drawing in the young viewers. |
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Greg Kamer
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Yeah, $20/ticket will get me to visit the movie theater more often...
They are fighting a losing battle. Especially as we see the release of
new movies to PPV and DVD get much closer to the original theater
release date. There are always going to be a few movies where the
theater experience makes it worth while, but for most movies I (and
quite a few others) are willing to wait a month or so for the DVD
release. That's also probably part of the reason the studios tend to
focus on drawing in the young viewers.
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I have to agree with you on that.... There are very few movies released that
I fell must be seen on the big screen in the theater. Movies with a LOT of
action or some incredible special effects for example. The Island comes to
mind. I really enjoyed watching that on the movie theater screen.
But for the most part, I can wait for the DVD release of a movie and watch
it at home. The price of movies is getting a little out of hand though....
Last time we went (wife and I) it cost us almost 30 bucks for admission, 2
large pops and 2 large popcorns. From now on we are going o smuggle in food
from Subway or something like that...... |
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tim@nocomment.com
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject:
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
| Quote: | In article <e9adnSFPxKumdcHeRVn-qg@rogers.com>,
"tim@nocomment.com" <tim@nocomment.com> wrote:
No, you called someone a Nazi.
By definition, thread closed.
No he didn't call anyone a Nazi, I did. And your thinking that you have
permission to close threads just proves my point.
You've not been around the Usenet much, have you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
May I quote:
"Godwin's law (also Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in
Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law
states that:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a
comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.
"There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a
comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis
has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's law
thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread
length in those groups. "
Godwin's law - cont'd |
"...Many people understand Godwin's law to mean this, although (as is
clear from the statement of the law above) this is not the original
formulation.
It is considered poor form to arbitrarily raise such a comparison with
the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely-recognized codicil
that any such deliberate invocation of Godwin's law will be unsuccessful..."
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I don't think that I have permission to close a thread; the thread was
automatically closed the minute the "Nazi" accusation flew.
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tim@nocomment.com
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject:
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tim@nocomment.com wrote:
| Quote: | Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
In article <e9adnSFPxKumdcHeRVn-qg@rogers.com>,
"tim@nocomment.com" <tim@nocomment.com> wrote:
No, you called someone a Nazi.
By definition, thread closed.
No he didn't call anyone a Nazi, I did. And your thinking that you
have permission to close threads just proves my point.
You've not been around the Usenet much, have you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
May I quote:
"Godwin's law (also Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in
Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law
states that:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a
comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.
"There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a
comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the
Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.
Godwin's law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper
bound on thread length in those groups. "
Godwin's law - cont'd
"...Many people understand Godwin's law to mean this, although (as is
clear from the statement of the law above) this is not the original
formulation.
It is considered poor form to arbitrarily raise such a comparison with
the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely-recognized codicil
that any such deliberate invocation of Godwin's law will be
unsuccessful..."
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"...Objections and counter-arguments
One common objection to the invocation of Godwin's law is that sometimes
using Hitler or the Nazis is a perfectly apt way of making a point. For
instance, if one is debating the relative merits of a particular leader,
and someone says something like, "He's a good leader, look at the way
he's improved the economy", one could reply, "Just because he improved
the economy doesn't make him a good leader. Even Hitler improved the
economy." Some would view this as a perfectly acceptable comparison. One
uses Hitler as a well-known example of an extreme case that requires no
explanation to prove that a generalization is not universally true..."
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I don't think that I have permission to close a thread; the thread was
automatically closed the minute the "Nazi" accusation flew.
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Elmo P. Shagnasty
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:36 pm Post subject:
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In article <6ICdnZeTjusIh8DeRVn-uQ@rogers.com>,
"tim@nocomment.com" <tim@nocomment.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It is considered poor form to arbitrarily raise such a comparison with
the motive of ending the thread.
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The difference is, I didn't raise the comparison. He did.
He did without the motive of ending the thread. Therefore, by
definition, thread over. |
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MegaZone
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject:
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nanoflower@gmail.com shaped the electrons to say:
| Quote: | I'm left wondering if I misunderstood Tivo's plan or if they just have
additional plans. Is Tivo going to be putting their interface on the
Motorola/SA boxes for Comcast's use or is the CableCard Tivo going to
be the Comcast solution.
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TiVo is porting their software over to the Motorola 6412 platform,
which is the primary Moto cable DVR. That is the Comcast solution.
One expects the software would also work on other members of the HW
family, as well as for other cable companies using the 6412.
Additionally TiVo is developing a CableCARD based standalone solution
that will work with any CC system.
| Quote: | It seems like the CableCard Tivo solution
(with CC2.0) is the solution that allows any cable consumer to buy and
use the CCTivo on their cable system so it's not tied to Comcast.
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Correct. The tradeoff is a higher cost - buying the box, as opposed
to leasing/renting the cable box with a monthly fee. It is certainly
possible, that with CC2.0 enabling PPV/VOD, etc, that cable companies
could offer the TiVo box as the 'cable box' too.
| Quote: | Also if Tivo is going to be hosting their code on the Moto/SA boxes
what will that mean for the TV Guide Interface. There's been a good
deal of work on that interface over the years so it seems unlikely
they would just drop it for the DVR solution since that ends up with
them supporting two different interfaces depending on the type of box
the consumer has instead of what I would guess is just an enhanced TV
Guide interface with a current Motorola DVR on a Comcast system.
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The TiVo software will be an optional upgrade for the user, most
likely at an additional cost. It isn't that surprising, there are at
least two different software systems on the HW already - the
home-grown Motorola software, which is probably the TV Guide interface
you mention, and Microsoft developed DVR software.
Motorola also has Moxi's software on some systems, but I don't think
they're part of this HW family.
-MZ
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"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
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Jeff Rife
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject:
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jolt (ergoacess@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
| Quote: | If you shut down your DTV account will your HR10-250 still record OTA
programming and have a useful guide? If the answer is no then you are tied
to a service which if you decided to leave makes your equipment useless.
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This statement will be 100% true for CableCard HD TiVo boxes as well, since
without cable, you would get no programming. So, even for a "generic"
device, it's a red herring.
| Quote: | If
you could cancel your service and TVio could offer you their guide service,
then you would not have to pay DTV a dime for OTA.
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Notice I said that I don't pay DirecTV a dime to *receive* OTA HD. But,
the truth is I don't pay them anything to record it, either, since I have
an SD DirecTiVo and would have one regardless of OTA status, so the
recording functions of the HR10-250 are at no extra cost for me.
Nobody has ever claimed that the HR10-250 will do everything it can without
a DirecTV bill (although it *will* buffer two OTA channels for 30 minutes,
which is a lot more than any other ATSC receiver will do), so it's somewhat
foolish for people who don't have DirecTV to buy it. But then, you'd be
foolish to buy a DirecTV receiver if you aren't a subscriber, just like
buying a cable box without a cable TV subscription is dumb.
One of the things about OTA is that even in the largest markets, there just
aren't that many channels available (compared to cable or satellite), so
the "killer" features of a PVR (wishlists, conflict resolution, "first run
only" etc.) just aren't as important. It costs me very little to let my
HTPC just record every episode of "The Simpsons" and delete the reruns
without watching them.
So, for the original poster, it's very unlikely we will ever see an OTA-
only HD PVR...they will all be tied to something else. A dumber DVR for
HD OTA...well, that's a different story, because they are available now to
anyone with a PC.
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