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Ryadia
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:06 pm Post subject:
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"MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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Even Epson itself advises that you turn off the print-driver's color
management in favor of Photoshop's.
That statement carries with it the presumption, you can get Photoshop to |
actually make a colour correct print in the first place. It may be all well
and good for you and me but the OP obviously doesn't have that knowledge -
yet (hopefully) this way he can at least find a starting point. All the
conflicting advise from everyone else will only give him grief... And prey
tell, what is your advise, eh? Or did you just interject for a bit of
amusement?
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Annika1980
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:07 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | From: andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid
Page Setup>Printer>Properties>Advanced>No Color Adjustment
DO NOT set "ICM" in the printer driver, whatever you do.
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In Photoshop CS it is impossible to set "No Color Adjustment" without setting
ICM first. Those are the exact settings you SHOULD use. |
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Jim
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:10 pm Post subject:
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"Dirty Benny" <lemon@sourgrapes.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com> wrote in
news:Xzwpd.24282$fC4.19952@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:
Thanks for the advice Jim....
any preference on sites or software for calibration?
I use Monaco. Lots of others use Colorvision. I would not use downloaded |
ICC profiles because there is no advantage of them over the manufacturers
files.
You may have success with Adobe Gamma to profile a CRT. Alas, the program
relies on you eyes to determine the quality of the profile. I wasn't very
successful with it until after my cataract surgery.
Jim |
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Dick Frederick
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:11 pm Post subject:
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I briefly scanned most of the other posts and they seem to accurate, but...
there are several ways to go here and several factors that impact the image
which can cause confusion. Among them:
1. The Ultrachrome (pigmented) inks used in the 2200 do not have the
excellent color gamut of the dye inks. In my personal experience, my old
Epson "EX" model (many years old) would always produce better color (a
larger gamut) than my new 2200 (particularly using glossy papaer). I have
always been willing to trade the gamut for longevity, so I am not
complaining. It does take a while longer to learn to produce good prints
from the 2200. With the same care and accuracy in printing, however, the
dye based prints will look better than the pigment based prints (until the
dye based prints fade). I you do not compare one directly agains the other,
the 2200 prints will look fine.
2. Calibrating and profiling you monitor is essential if you are serious
about this. Adobe gamma, while better than nothing, is not really adequate.
3. For really accurate printing, you should obtain custom profiles for the
paper and ink you are using, and then apply those profiles correctly. As
far as obtining profiles, you can make you own (if you have enough
equipment), you can purchase them, or you can obtain them from Epson, etc.
Other posts are more up-to-date on this (using profiles within, say
Photoshop). I used to print that way with good results, but now I use
method 4., below.
4. You can purchase a separate "printer driver", usually called a Raster
Image Processor (RIP). I use one called ImagePrint from ColorByte
Software. I have the "Lite" versions for several reasons, cost being the
primary driver. Even with the "Lite" version you get numerous profiles -
more than enough for me. IMHO you also get spot on accuracy and *execllent*
black and white capability. ImagePrint circumvents the sometimes confusing
Photoshop/Epson printing procedures, so double profiling, etc., becomes a
non issue. Disadvantage: cost. By the time you are done purchasing
equipment to profile you monitor and the ImagePrint Lite RIP, you have more
than doubled the cost of the 2200.
5. This is all a bit confusing and expensive. However, speaking from a
background of wet color darkroom experience, today's computer and inkjet
based production is much more repeatable, cheaper, and easier than using a
wet darkroom. Good luck.
"Dirty Benny" <lemon@sourgrapes.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Any help is appreciated....have been using a 1280 epson photo stylus and
have been quite happy with the 8 by 10 prints on Epson Premium glossy
photo
paper...
upgraded to the 2200 and the colors are so hard to match to the
monitor...not sure what to do at this point...
I have downloaded the Epson Paper color profiles from their site....have
been using photoshop 8 for the color management and using ICM with no
printer software management...
the 1280 prints have more contrast and detail from the same TIFF image ...
Have had a friend print on his 1280 which also looks like the original
TIFF...
most prints have a haze to them and a rose or magenta color dominance...
i have not done any monitor calibrating...using Samsung monitors...
confused as to why the 1280 prints look so good on several 1280 printers
yet the 2200s look abysmal..despite trying a gazillion different parameter
changes...
again ...help is appreciated
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Bill Hilton
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | "MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote
Even Epson itself advises that you turn off the print-driver's color
management in favor of Photoshop's.
From: "gsum" gsum@bst.com
I haven't seen that advice. Do you have a ref.?
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The Epson 4000 Users Manual specifically says you will get more accurate color
printing with Photoshop's color management than you will leaving it to the
Epson driver. You can probably download the .pdf somewhere off Epson's site if
you still don't believe this. |
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MarkČ
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject:
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"gsum" <gsum@bst.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I haven't seen that advice. Do you have a ref.?
Graham
"MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in > Even Epson
itself advises that you turn off the print-driver's color
management in favor of Photoshop's.
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Epson's "Print Academy" experts all agree and state this repeatedly in their
instruction set. This is also stated in both the documentation that comes
with the Epson 4000, as well as the included video that comes with the
printer. |
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject:
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Annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | From: andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid
Page Setup>Printer>Properties>Advanced>No Color Adjustment
DO NOT set "ICM" in the printer driver, whatever you do.
In Photoshop CS it is impossible to set "No Color Adjustment"
without setting ICM first. Those are the exact settings you SHOULD
use.
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What are you talking about? "No Color Adjustment" is in the printer
driver.
The menu has 5 options
.. Color Controls
.. PhotoEnhance4
.. No Color Adjustment
.. sRGB
.. ICM
It's there whatever application is running. You should not ever
select "ICM" in the printer driver.
Andrew. |
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MarkČ
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject:
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"Dirty Benny" <lemon@sourgrapes.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid wrote in
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Dirty Benny <lemon@sourgrapes.com> wrote:
Any help is appreciated....have been using a 1280 epson photo stylus
and have been quite happy with the 8 by 10 prints on Epson Premium
glossy photo paper...
upgraded to the 2200 and the colors are so hard to match to the
monitor...not sure what to do at this point...
I have downloaded the Epson Paper color profiles from their
site....have been using photoshop 8 for the color management and
using ICM with no printer software management...
File>Print with Preview>Show more options.
Make sure you set the Source Space correctly.
Set the print space to the profile for your paper.
Page Setup>Printer>Properties>Advanced>No Color Adjustment
DO NOT set "ICM" in the printer driver, whatever you do.
That should do it. If not, there is something wrong either with your
images or your printer.
Andrew.
Thanks to all for their help and advice...
I thought i was managing my color through adobe with turning off the
printer management...
in adobe cs, i have set my Edit...Color Settings....US Prepress
Defaults....
then assigned a color profile of RGB 1998
Source SPace...Document RGB
Print Space ...SP 2200 Premium Glossy_PK
Intent...Relative COlorimetric with Use Black point compensation
color management on printer ....ICM
ICC PROFILE....NO COLOR adjustment
and still...color way off of my 1280 performance...
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Have you set up a custom proof instruction?
View>Proof setup>custom>under profile, select your paper again, and specify
relative colorometric.
Now in "Print with preview" make sure you've also set to that paper's
profile, and then again check printer settings, making sure of paper type
and that ICM is off again.
Always use "Print with Preview" rather than just File>Print. If you switch
to using just "File>Print", it seems to forget what settings you had it on. |
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Harvey
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:27 pm Post subject:
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<andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
From: andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid
Page Setup>Printer>Properties>Advanced>No Color Adjustment
DO NOT set "ICM" in the printer driver, whatever you do.
In Photoshop CS it is impossible to set "No Color Adjustment"
without setting ICM first. Those are the exact settings you SHOULD
use.
What are you talking about? "No Color Adjustment" is in the printer
driver.
The menu has 5 options
. Color Controls
. PhotoEnhance4
. No Color Adjustment
. sRGB
. ICM
It's there whatever application is running. You should not ever
select "ICM" in the printer driver.
Andrew.
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That's certainly not the case with my R200 (yes, I know its a different
printer....). The color management options on the advanced page are:
* Color Controls
* PhotoEnhance
* ICM
The 'No Color Adjustment' tickbox only shows up in ICM mode. I myself run it
in Color Controls mode with everything set to 0 - it seems to work... more
or less.
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MarkČ
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:09 am Post subject:
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"Harvey" <harvey@not.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote in message
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Annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
From: andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid
Page Setup>Printer>Properties>Advanced>No Color Adjustment
DO NOT set "ICM" in the printer driver, whatever you do.
In Photoshop CS it is impossible to set "No Color Adjustment"
without setting ICM first. Those are the exact settings you SHOULD
use.
What are you talking about? "No Color Adjustment" is in the printer
driver.
The menu has 5 options
. Color Controls
. PhotoEnhance4
. No Color Adjustment
. sRGB
. ICM
It's there whatever application is running. You should not ever
select "ICM" in the printer driver.
Andrew.
That's certainly not the case with my R200 (yes, I know its a different
printer....). The color management options on the advanced page are:
* Color Controls
* PhotoEnhance
* ICM
The 'No Color Adjustment' tickbox only shows up in ICM mode. I myself run
it
in Color Controls mode with everything set to 0 - it seems to work...
more
or less.
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Each printer's driver tabs/boxes are slightly different.
In any event...you should turn off color management via whatever means it
takes within the driver. |
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Annika1980
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:11 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | From: andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid
In Photoshop CS it is impossible to set "No Color Adjustment"
without setting ICM first. Those are the exact settings you SHOULD
use.
What are you talking about? "No Color Adjustment" is in the printer
driver.
The menu has 5 options
. Color Controls
. PhotoEnhance4
. No Color Adjustment
. sRGB
. ICM
It's there whatever application is running. You should not ever
select "ICM" in the printer driver.
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Which printer are you using? That's certainly not the case with my Epson 2200. |
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Annika1980
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Ron Baird
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:03 pm Post subject:
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Greetings Michael,
Thank you for sharing a very interesting review of your work, astronomy (an
interest of mine as well), and your perspectives. I enjoyed the journal.
Talk to you soon,
Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:12 pm Post subject:
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Annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | From: andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid
In Photoshop CS it is impossible to set "No Color Adjustment"
without setting ICM first. Those are the exact settings you SHOULD
use.
What are you talking about? "No Color Adjustment" is in the printer
driver.
The menu has 5 options
. Color Controls
. PhotoEnhance4
. No Color Adjustment
. sRGB
. ICM
It's there whatever application is running. You should not ever
select "ICM" in the printer driver.
Which printer are you using? That's certainly not the case with my
Epson 2200.
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My big apologies. The computer I have here is connected to a 7600,
and I thought they had the same driver interface.
Andrew. |
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