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Serial # 19781010
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject:
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My SOP when ripping DVDs is to run it through DVD shrink and If need
be use both deep analysis and adaptive error compensation. So far the
results have been good.
The problem is the two-three hours it takes shrink to do this.
Two questions come to mind:
1. What compression software gives the best results when time is not a
factor (optimum quality)?
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2 What compression software gives the best results when time IS a
factor (best trade-off between quality and time)?
or to put it another way,
3. Is there anything out there that will give me results similar to
DVD shrink ( using both deep analysis and adaptive error compensation)
without the long processing time?
Shrink is getting kind of long of tooth so I thought there might be
faster compression software that gives comparable output quality .
Any ideas?
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Bob
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Compression software |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:46:57 -0500, Serial # 19781010 <none@none.net>
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| Quote: | 3. Is there anything out there that will give me results similar to
DVD shrink ( using both deep analysis and adaptive error compensation)
without the long processing time?
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Use Shrink without deep analysis or adaptive error compensation. It
works fine like that.
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set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
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Biz
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Compression software |
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Buy a faster PC with faster hard drives, a faster ripping speed dvd drive
and more memory...
"Serial # 19781010" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | My SOP when ripping DVDs is to run it through DVD shrink and If need
be use both deep analysis and adaptive error compensation. So far the
results have been good.
The problem is the two-three hours it takes shrink to do this.
Two questions come to mind:
1. What compression software gives the best results when time is not a
factor (optimum quality)?
and
2 What compression software gives the best results when time IS a
factor (best trade-off between quality and time)?
or to put it another way,
3. Is there anything out there that will give me results similar to
DVD shrink ( using both deep analysis and adaptive error compensation)
without the long processing time?
Shrink is getting kind of long of tooth so I thought there might be
faster compression software that gives comparable output quality .
Any ideas? |
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Phil Wheeler
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Compression software |
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Bob wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:46:57 -0500, Serial # 19781010 <none@none.net
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3. Is there anything out there that will give me results similar to
DVD shrink ( using both deep analysis and adaptive error compensation)
without the long processing time?
Use Shrink without deep analysis or adaptive error compensation. It
works fine like that.
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My impression, too. I've never used either option and with the latest
DVD Shrink version, results -- even with 60% compression or so -- look
very good on my High Def monitor.
Phil |
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Bob
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Compression software |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:01:16 GMT, Phil Wheeler <w6tuh-ng4@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | Use Shrink without deep analysis or adaptive error compensation. It
works fine like that.
My impression, too. I've never used either option and with the latest
DVD Shrink version, results -- even with 60% compression or so -- look
very good on my High Def monitor.
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I've used Shrink down as far as 50% and not seen any degredation in
image quality.
I believe MPEG was designed to compress by a factor of 10 before
degredation set in.
Because I have watched so many VHS recordings at the worst resolution,
I tend to compare other video to it. I bet 10:1 MPEG compression is
still better than worst resolution VHS.
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If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you
set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
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Atropos
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Compression software |
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| Quote: | Shrink is getting kind of long of tooth so I thought there might be
faster compression software that gives comparable output quality .
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It ain't that old. Shrink is one of the best in it's class. If it ain't
broke, don't fix it. |
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n.a.
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:54 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Compression software |
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Get a dual layer dvd rw - the no compression
"Biz" <spamoff@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Buy a faster PC with faster hard drives, a faster ripping speed dvd drive
and more memory...
"Serial # 19781010" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:tjvel11meos04ejgoqqbhd7ludafvo08js@4ax.com...
My SOP when ripping DVDs is to run it through DVD shrink and If need
be use both deep analysis and adaptive error compensation. So far the
results have been good.
The problem is the two-three hours it takes shrink to do this.
Two questions come to mind:
1. What compression software gives the best results when time is not a
factor (optimum quality)?
and
2 What compression software gives the best results when time IS a
factor (best trade-off between quality and time)?
or to put it another way,
3. Is there anything out there that will give me results similar to
DVD shrink ( using both deep analysis and adaptive error compensation)
without the long processing time?
Shrink is getting kind of long of tooth so I thought there might be
faster compression software that gives comparable output quality .
Any ideas?
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Abe
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:29 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Use Shrink without deep analysis or adaptive error compensation. It
works fine like that.
My impression, too. I've never used either option and with the latest
DVD Shrink version, results -- even with 60% compression or so -- look
very good on my High Def monitor.
I've used Shrink down as far as 50% and not seen any degredation in
image quality.
I believe MPEG was designed to compress by a factor of 10 before
degredation set in.
Because I have watched so many VHS recordings at the worst resolution,
I tend to compare other video to it. I bet 10:1 MPEG compression is
still better than worst resolution VHS.
I disagree. I think deep analysis makes a significant difference all |
the time, and AEC makes a significant difference if you look closely
for details. |
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WinField
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:41 am Post subject:
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Bob wrote:
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I've used Shrink down as far as 50% and not seen any degredation in
image quality.
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You may need to have your eyes/equipment checked out, Bob! =)
As a test, I compressed "Changing Lanes" (Ben Aflack/Affleck flick) to
include all extras, etc. Compression came in ~60%. I sure could see
the difference!
For me, around 75% or higher on Shrink and I'm happy.
cheers,
winfield |
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BB
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Compression software |
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:24:40 GMT, Lordy <see.reply.to@lordyorguk.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:46:57 -0500, Serial # 19781010 wrote:
1. What compression software gives the best results when time is not a
factor (optimum quality)?
Re-encoding with CinemaCraftEncoder with about 7 passes.
You will need to read a few guides and also aquire a version of CCE.
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2 What compression software gives the best results when time IS a
factor (best trade-off between quality and time)?
Reportedly dvd2one is very fast, some ppl love the quality and some dont.
or to put it another way,
3. Is there anything out there that will give me results similar to
DVD shrink ( using both deep analysis and adaptive error compensation)
without the long processing time?
DVDShrink is quite fast. Certainly not 2-3 hours. More like 20-40
minutes. Maybe it's time for a processor upgrade.
Lordy
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I agree - a 7 pass encode (or even 4 pass) with CCE is far superior to Shrink when
the compression drops below 65%. On a good monitor, Shrink can stink at high
compression rates. I've found using DVD Rebuilder as a front end to CCE simplifies
the process. But you won't like the wait - 12 hours on my Athlon 2100. I set it to
run overnight. The results are spectacular. |
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Lordy
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Compression software |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:46:57 -0500, Serial # 19781010 wrote:
| Quote: | 1. What compression software gives the best results when time is not a
factor (optimum quality)?
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Re-encoding with CinemaCraftEncoder with about 7 passes.
You will need to read a few guides and also aquire a version of CCE.
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and
2 What compression software gives the best results when time IS a
factor (best trade-off between quality and time)?
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Reportedly dvd2one is very fast, some ppl love the quality and some dont.
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or to put it another way,
3. Is there anything out there that will give me results similar to
DVD shrink ( using both deep analysis and adaptive error compensation)
without the long processing time?
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DVDShrink is quite fast. Certainly not 2-3 hours. More like 20-40
minutes. Maybe it's time for a processor upgrade.
Lordy |
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Bill Vermillion
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:45 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Compression software |
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In article <4357dd61.168969828@news-server.houston.rr.com>,
Bob <spam@uce.gov> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:01:16 GMT, Phil Wheeler <w6tuh-ng4@yahoo.com
wrote:
Use Shrink without deep analysis or adaptive error compensation. It
works fine like that.
My impression, too. I've never used either option and with the
latest DVD Shrink version, results -- even with 60% compression
or so -- look very good on my High Def monitor.
I've used Shrink down as far as 50% and not seen any degredation in
image quality.
I believe MPEG was designed to compress by a factor of 10 before
degredation set in.
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There are variations on MPEG - and they do vary. The new MPEG 4
gets much higher than previous versions.
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Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com |
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Biz
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:11 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Compression software |
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"Bill Vermillion" <bv@wjv.com> wrote in message news:Iop12C.97B@wjv.com...
| Quote: | In article <4357dd61.168969828@news-server.houston.rr.com>,
My impression, too. I've never used either option and with the
latest DVD Shrink version, results -- even with 60% compression
or so -- look very good on my High Def monitor.
I've used Shrink down as far as 50% and not seen any degredation in
image quality.
I believe MPEG was designed to compress by a factor of 10 before
degredation set in.
There are variations on MPEG - and they do vary. The new MPEG 4
gets much higher than previous versions.
With DVDShrink and of course mpeg-2 technology, its been tossed around on |
many forums and websites that somewhere around the mid to high 60s can still
look decent even on larger displays, IIRC something like 67%. I know that
below that I can pretty easily notice it on my 36" SD direct-view tube
tv.... |
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Camper
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject:
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"n.a." <n.a@nospam.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Only problem is most DVD players can't play them! |
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Bob
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Compression software |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:29:18 -0700, Abe <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I think deep analysis makes a significant difference all
the time, and AEC makes a significant difference if you look closely
for details.
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Can you describe these differences and tell us why you think they are
worth all the extra time to achieve.
--
If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you
set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
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