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andy
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:47 am Post subject:
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Is your CD recorder a computer? If so, you can adjust the level of all
your computer files to be roughly the same. For example, iTunes has a
box to tick to achieve this and, I assume, Windows software will have
something similar.
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jbicking@tconl.com
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject:
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No.. It's a Philips CD Recorder attached to the stereo. I've tried
offsetting the issue by bumping up the record volume, but it doesn't
work like you'd think it would. |
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andy
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject:
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jbicking@tconl.com wrote:
| Quote: | No.. It's a Philips CD Recorder attached to the stereo.
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Presumably the recorder does not have a knob for adjusting record
level?
| Quote: | I've tried
offsetting the issue by bumping up the record volume, but it doesn't
work like you'd think it would.
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Does this mean you increased the volume on the amplifier and the level
going to the CD did not change? Or is the knob on the CD recorder?
Do you have access to a computer? If so, what audio inputs and outputs
does it have? |
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jbicking@tconl.com
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject:
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The recorder does have a knob for adjusting the record level, but it
doesn't do much good when recording from the turntable. It's up almost
all the way when recording from the turntable and yet I still see a
large difference in the recorded music on the CD. If I adjust the
record level on the CD recorder when recording from a CD, the level
goes up, just like the turntable.. but since the turntable is so much
lower to begin with, the recordings made from the turntable can never
be as loud as the ones from the cd player.
I have a computer - not sure if it has inputs or not (probably does,
the PC is less than a year old). However... these pieces of equipment
are not in the same room of the house and the purpose of buying the CD
recorder was to record from vinyl. |
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Harry Lavo
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:35 pm Post subject:
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<jbicking@tconl.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The recorder does have a knob for adjusting the record level, but it
doesn't do much good when recording from the turntable. It's up almost
all the way when recording from the turntable and yet I still see a
large difference in the recorded music on the CD. If I adjust the
record level on the CD recorder when recording from a CD, the level
goes up, just like the turntable.. but since the turntable is so much
lower to begin with, the recordings made from the turntable can never
be as loud as the ones from the cd player.
I have a computer - not sure if it has inputs or not (probably does,
the PC is less than a year old). However... these pieces of equipment
are not in the same room of the house and the purpose of buying the CD
recorder was to record from vinyl.
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I still think you may be using a low-output moving coil cartridge that
requires a headamp to get anywhere near acceptable volume levels. |
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Peter Larsen
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject:
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Harry Lavo wrote:
| Quote: | I still think you may be using a low-output moving coil cartridge that
requires a headamp to get anywhere near acceptable volume levels.
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Not likely, the loudness difference between playing a record and the CD
output appears to be in the order of magnitude caused by CD players
having a 2 volts peak sound output. The questionee needs an inline
attenuator in the cable from CD player to amp, it is the simplest, the
best and the cheapest solution.
Fixing what is too loud requires a sum total of 4 resistors.
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
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andy
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject:
Re: Turntable Volume? |
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| Quote: | It's up almost
all the way when recording from the turntable and yet I still see a
large difference in the recorded music on the CD.
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It is not up all the way? So are you raising the level until a light
comes on saying you have it at the correct volume? For the turntable
the knob is set near the maximum and for the CD it is set near the
minimum. If so, this would appear to be correct.
Are your loud CDs recently recorded rock/pop music? |
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Harry Lavo
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject:
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"Peter Larsen" <SPAMSHIELD_plarsen@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message
news:435A4EB1.1542B498@mail.tele.dk...
| Quote: | Harry Lavo wrote:
I still think you may be using a low-output moving coil cartridge that
requires a headamp to get anywhere near acceptable volume levels.
Not likely, the loudness difference between playing a record and the CD
output appears to be in the order of magnitude caused by CD players
having a 2 volts peak sound output. The questionee needs an inline
attenuator in the cable from CD player to amp, it is the simplest, the
best and the cheapest solution.
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He says that with the volume control all the way up on the recorder, he
still has insufficient volume. Since a "tape out" output will normally
require a recorder volume setting of around six or seven, something is
seriously wrong. And it isn't a matter of just a few db's. |
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Peter Larsen
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject:
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Harry Lavo wrote:
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"Peter Larsen" <SPAMSHIELD_plarsen@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message
news:435A4EB1.1542B498@mail.tele.dk...
Harry Lavo wrote:
I still think you may be using a low-output moving coil cartridge that
requires a headamp to get anywhere near acceptable volume levels.
Not likely, the loudness difference between playing a record and the CD
output appears to be in the order of magnitude caused by CD players
having a 2 volts peak sound output. The questionee needs an inline
attenuator in the cable from CD player to amp, it is the simplest, the
best and the cheapest solution.
He says that with the volume control all the way up on the recorder, he
still has insufficient volume. Since a "tape out" output will normally
require a recorder volume setting of around six or seven, something is
seriously wrong. And it isn't a matter of just a few db's.
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Oh oh, yes, well perhaps we could get the actual model of said CD
recorder and check its input sensivity or a posting of its specs from
the questionee?
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
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andy
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject:
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Another thought: is there a switch on the front or, possibly, on the
back of the CD recorder for introducing a large change in the recording
level. This might not be labelled something obvious. |
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jbicking@tconl.com
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject:
Re: Turntable Volume? |
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It is a philips CDR-775. There is no switch like what was described
above. I'm not at home currently and apologize because I do not have
the specs for this machine with me. |
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Peter Larsen
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:27 am Post subject:
Re: Turntable Volume? |
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"jbicking@tconl.com" wrote:
| Quote: | It is a philips CDR-775. There is no switch like what was described
above. I'm not at home currently and apologize because I do not have
the specs for this machine with me.
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OK, thanks, found them. Analog input has a 500 millivolts sensitivity
and it is thus not an indication of a problem that it needs to be turned
fully up for recording from grammophone, your systems signal levels are
as I expected them to be.
Specsheet says:
Input (level adjustment)
* Direct line recording (bypass SRC) for 44.1 kHz +/- 100 ppm
* 1x Digital coaxial input (SRC) 12 - 56 kHz / 0.5 Vrms / 75
* 1x Digital optical input (SRC) 12 - 56 kHz
* 1x Analogue input 500 mVrms / 50 k= 0 dB
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
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