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Chuck
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:34 pm Post subject:
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Hi. I expect you're all sick of hearing about Studio 8 and it's faults.
Well, I'm having trouble with it! Everything is more or less fine
(apart from the odd crash) until I try to burn to CD, or even just
create a DVD image on my hard drive. Then, when I click to do that, it
says "rendering..." and then the whole program disappears a couple of
seconds later.
Clearly, not ideal.
Now, I don't know if you can suggest anything for that, but if not,
could you tell me some simple, free software I could use to just burn
DVDs? I have tried "Ultra DVD Creator" (from Tucows) and it does burn
the DVDs, but when I played it on my DVD player it was (increasingly)
jerky as hell, so much so that it's like watching one of those robotic
dancers. Also I tried another, which just plonked my avi file on the
DVD without converting it into a DVD, so my DVD playr didn't recognise
it.
My requirements are simple: I have a load of mpeg, avi, and some wmv
files, between 50mb and 1.2gig, that I need to get the hell off my hard
drive in as good a format as possible. I want to watch them on my PAL
DVD player in the living room, not sit in the dark corner where the PC
is. I don't care if the DVD burning takes a long time - I just want to
create the DVDs.
Can anyone advise me?
Cheers,
Charlie.
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RS
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject:
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Chuck wrote:
| Quote: | Hi. I expect you're all sick of hearing about Studio 8 and it's faults.
Well, I'm having trouble with it! Everything is more or less fine
(apart from the odd crash) until I try to burn to CD, or even just
create a DVD image on my hard drive. Then, when I click to do that, it
says "rendering..." and then the whole program disappears a couple of
seconds later.
Clearly, not ideal.
Now, I don't know if you can suggest anything for that, but if not,
could you tell me some simple, free software I could use to just burn
DVDs? I have tried "Ultra DVD Creator" (from Tucows) and it does burn
the DVDs, but when I played it on my DVD player it was (increasingly)
jerky as hell, so much so that it's like watching one of those robotic
dancers. Also I tried another, which just plonked my avi file on the
DVD without converting it into a DVD, so my DVD playr didn't recognise
it.
My requirements are simple: I have a load of mpeg, avi, and some wmv
files, between 50mb and 1.2gig, that I need to get the hell off my hard
drive in as good a format as possible. I want to watch them on my PAL
DVD player in the living room, not sit in the dark corner where the PC
is. I don't care if the DVD burning takes a long time - I just want to
create the DVDs.
Can anyone advise me?
Cheers,
Charlie.
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http://www.videohelp.com
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Gary Hendricks
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Doc
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:57 am Post subject:
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"Chuck" <northfinchley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129714490.202363.284250@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Hi. I expect you're all sick of hearing about Studio 8 and it's faults.
Well, I'm having trouble with it! Everything is more or less fine
(apart from the odd crash) until I try to burn to CD, or even just
create a DVD image on my hard drive.
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I've run PS8 on 2 different systems, one with Win98SE and one with XP. Never
got it to burn a DVD on either.
| Quote: | Now, I don't know if you can suggest anything for that, but if not,
could you tell me some simple, free software I could use to just burn
DVDs?
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I actually got a free copy of Nero6 from the manufacturer of my DVD burner
when the Pinnacle Instant CD/DVD SE burning software that came bundled with
it (along with PS8) didn't work. Apparently they determined it to be
unfixable and just less problematic to simply give away copies of Nero
(actually an unlock code to use for downloaded versions of the Nero
products) than try to wrestle with the Pinnacle malware or eat a bunch of
returns on these burners.
You may not be able to get it free, but I've had -0- problems with Nero.
Works every time. Quite a refreshing change from the overall Pinnacle
experience. I can't fathom how Pinnacle stays in business.
Just for grins, I got a copy of PS9 off eBay for next to nothing. (I'll
*never* pay Pinnacle a dime) Running under XP, I have to say it's been far
better than PS8 but many others seem to have problems with PS9 also. It
really seems to be a crapshoot from one machine to the next. If PS9 hadn't
worked better than PS8, I was going to be looking elsewhere. I got lucky.
Maybe you will too. I did have to download an update for PS9 since the base
install version didn't have the DVD ripping function. Also, there are a
number of functions I've never tried so I can't say whether everything
works. Based on past experience, my guess is they probably don't but my
needs have been simple so far. Just basic footage, with a few transitions,
titles,menus etc.
Forget Pinnacle e-mail support, it's worse than useless. Probably the best
tech support option for Pinnacle products is their online user forums. If a
problem is fixable, this is where you're most likely to find the answer.
There's a good chance your question has been asked dozens of times already
or you can post a question and get feedback from other users or a few
Pinnacle folks who participate.
http://webboard.pinnaclesys.com/default.asp
It's a damn shame Pinnacle has done so poorly putting their products
together. They came up with a really user friendly, intuitive interface,
but haven't done well making the software actually work. As Don Adams said
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Mark Burns
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:48 pm Post subject:
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I use Pinnacle 8 as an editor. Pretty good for that. Not much good
for authoring or burning. Too limiting.
I use:
To author: TmpgEnc Dvd Author 1.6
To create .iso: DvdShrink
To burn: DvdDecrypter
DvdShrink and DvdDecrypter are free and available from www.mrbass.org.
TDA is $50 from http://www.tmpg-inc.com/product/tsda.html
Get TDA before they ruin it. It is a great, simple, flexible, and
straight forward for what it is. It is also a good companion software
piece for more advanced authoring software like DvdLab.
Pinnacle appears to me to be a software package that is spec'd in one
place and coded in another, like India. Coupled with that, it is a
hobbled product that cannot be allowed to compete with it's more
expensive siblings. It simply does not contain that love/pride thing
that some packages like DvdLab Pro or VideoRedo have, and TDA once did.
That is why we are so disgusted with them.
In the final analysis we owe no one any more respect than they show to
themselves. (I think that is paraphrasing Ayn Rand)
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Donald Link
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject:
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I do not know about you but I just have to disagree with you period. I
have used PS 8 which was a little difficult to maintain at times but
if you knew how to use google and could read and so a little research
you could use version 8 to capture, edit (outstanding job) and burn
DVDs that would play a many, many different players. After upgrading
to 9 and then 9 plus life just got easier and easier with a ton of
extra features. I have made dozens of full dvds of my grandchildren
from dance, soccor, karate, parties, and just about everything else
you can imagine with great success and the output got better as I
learned and studies more. If you think video editing with a multitude
of programs then in think you like punishment.
Pinnacle studio 9 plus will do all you need. Besides Studio 8 is not
a fair comparison when it is quite long in the tooth. Look around and
you can pick up versions of 9 in the stores very, very cheap because
version 10 is coming out. Why you would suggest that Pinnacle product
are not showing respect to who ever is not the issue, but whether the
product works or not. When you consider the thousands, and thousands
of user of Studio product that have absolutly no problems at all or
are able to use their minds enough to figure out that nothing works
perfectly without effort. Especially, when you have not tried newer
version.
On 26 Oct 2005 05:48:06 -0700, "Mark Burns" <marcus520520@yahoo.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | I use Pinnacle 8 as an editor. Pretty good for that. Not much good
for authoring or burning. Too limiting.
I use:
To author: TmpgEnc Dvd Author 1.6
To create .iso: DvdShrink
To burn: DvdDecrypter
DvdShrink and DvdDecrypter are free and available from www.mrbass.org.
TDA is $50 from http://www.tmpg-inc.com/product/tsda.html
Get TDA before they ruin it. It is a great, simple, flexible, and
straight forward for what it is. It is also a good companion software
piece for more advanced authoring software like DvdLab.
Pinnacle appears to me to be a software package that is spec'd in one
place and coded in another, like India. Coupled with that, it is a
hobbled product that cannot be allowed to compete with it's more
expensive siblings. It simply does not contain that love/pride thing
that some packages like DvdLab Pro or VideoRedo have, and TDA once did.
That is why we are so disgusted with them.
In the final analysis we owe no one any more respect than they show to
themselves. (I think that is paraphrasing Ayn Rand)
Cheers... |
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Mark Burns
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:32 am Post subject:
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If there is a product on these boards that is more maligned than
Pinnacle Studio, I don't know what is. I have put in my share of time
working with PS. Not only PS, but Pinnacle Instant Copy as well. That
too was a good product, but with it's share of woes as well. Also,
mediocre support.
I have had my share of problems and successes with Pinnacle. I started
with PS, and have successfully captured, edited, created DVD's, etc...
Also my share of lockups and abnormal terminations. I sort of know
where the problems are but can usually avoid them. V8 might not be a
fair comparison with V9 or V10, but I am not ready to spend money on
upgrades yet. Rather I spent my V9 upgrade money on VideoRedo. I have
looked at PS10, and it does look nice, but the message boards are not
positive.
I didn't purchase TDA and Dvd Lab Pro because I just wanted to spend
money. On the contrary, I wanted PS to succeed. But I could never
figure out how to make it create a video_ts set that would exceed the
size of the DVD, for later analysis and shrinkage later. This is why
that I went to Dvd Lab Pro which also added many many features to the
authoring process. TDA doesn't have the navigational features but it
does have the simplicity and flexibility that saves me a lot of time.
This may not be a problem with the dual layer capabilities of PS9, but
I am where I am before version 9 came out.
I do think a lot of the PS Moviebox USB2, which is the device that my
PS8 came with. I use it to capture all of analog videos. I believe it
to be a very good product. I also like the mpeg editing, and think
that the version 9/10 editing would be better. I also like the AC3
capabilities etc... But there is always that trust factor, and like
others, my response from PS support has been dismal. On the other
hand, the support that I have received VideoRedo and DvdLab Pro has
been superb. TDA is a question mark on support because I just haven't
had any problems.
I don't hear the same problems about ULEAD products that I hear about
Pinnacle. You may be right that PS users may be so happy that they
don't come here to share their experiences, but you are one of the few
that has. I welcome that, because the more that we have the better.
But the OP is looking for another authoring/burning solution, I
responded with my thoughts, observations, and experiences. He sounds
that he is in the same position as me, simply wanting to improve his
work flow. I make no claims for thousands of others, or dispute your
successes. There are others in this group who spend far more time than
I with many different products that are better judges than me.
Your help to Chuck would be very helpful not only to him but maybe to
many others. Any visit to the Pinnacle forums will not result in any
activity by knowledgable technicle people there for him or anyone else
that I have seen.
Your criticism of his, or mine for that matter, ability to read manuals
or study as you have is unwarrented, undocumented, condescending, and
unfair. I applaud your success, but you have no idea of what we are
doing or our requirements.
Cheers... |
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Buchetamo
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
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Very well put & said Mark. I'm sure you are at a more advanced level in
video authoring than I am, I'm what one could call "an advanced beginner" &
after spending a little fortune in about 10 or 13 video authoring programs
from Adobe Premier 7 & 1.5, Vegas 5 & 6, etc. I became a fervent admirer &
defender of Pinnacle, mainly because when Pinnacle V9 "behaves" & works
well, it's undoubtedly a breeze & pleasure to work with it... but that only
happens once in every 10 times... The frustration, exasperation, confusion &
irritation the Pinnacle causes far surpasses moments of excitement &
achievement.
"Mark Burns" <marcus520520@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1130362336.360586.209080@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | If there is a product on these boards that is more maligned than
Pinnacle Studio, I don't know what is. I have put in my share of time
working with PS. Not only PS, but Pinnacle Instant Copy as well. That
too was a good product, but with it's share of woes as well. Also,
mediocre support.
I have had my share of problems and successes with Pinnacle. I started
with PS, and have successfully captured, edited, created DVD's, etc...
Also my share of lockups and abnormal terminations. I sort of know
where the problems are but can usually avoid them. V8 might not be a
fair comparison with V9 or V10, but I am not ready to spend money on
upgrades yet. Rather I spent my V9 upgrade money on VideoRedo. I have
looked at PS10, and it does look nice, but the message boards are not
positive.
I didn't purchase TDA and Dvd Lab Pro because I just wanted to spend
money. On the contrary, I wanted PS to succeed. But I could never
figure out how to make it create a video_ts set that would exceed the
size of the DVD, for later analysis and shrinkage later. This is why
that I went to Dvd Lab Pro which also added many many features to the
authoring process. TDA doesn't have the navigational features but it
does have the simplicity and flexibility that saves me a lot of time.
This may not be a problem with the dual layer capabilities of PS9, but
I am where I am before version 9 came out.
I do think a lot of the PS Moviebox USB2, which is the device that my
PS8 came with. I use it to capture all of analog videos. I believe it
to be a very good product. I also like the mpeg editing, and think
that the version 9/10 editing would be better. I also like the AC3
capabilities etc... But there is always that trust factor, and like
others, my response from PS support has been dismal. On the other
hand, the support that I have received VideoRedo and DvdLab Pro has
been superb. TDA is a question mark on support because I just haven't
had any problems.
I don't hear the same problems about ULEAD products that I hear about
Pinnacle. You may be right that PS users may be so happy that they
don't come here to share their experiences, but you are one of the few
that has. I welcome that, because the more that we have the better.
But the OP is looking for another authoring/burning solution, I
responded with my thoughts, observations, and experiences. He sounds
that he is in the same position as me, simply wanting to improve his
work flow. I make no claims for thousands of others, or dispute your
successes. There are others in this group who spend far more time than
I with many different products that are better judges than me.
Your help to Chuck would be very helpful not only to him but maybe to
many others. Any visit to the Pinnacle forums will not result in any
activity by knowledgable technicle people there for him or anyone else
that I have seen.
Your criticism of his, or mine for that matter, ability to read manuals
or study as you have is unwarrented, undocumented, condescending, and
unfair. I applaud your success, but you have no idea of what we are
doing or our requirements.
Cheers...
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Krazy Kanuck
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
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I had PS 7...worked fine,,,so bought PS8....couldn't get it to work without
crashing even after wrestling with numerous upgrades.....took a chance and
bought PS9.....It's worked great....even burning DVDs.....everything.....but
now that it ain't broke, I'm not going to try and "fix" anything with
something like PS10.....especially since all the negatives I've read so
far.....
Len
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International Accordion Convention from my website:
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"Mark Burns" <marcus520520@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1130362336.360586.209080@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | If there is a product on these boards that is more maligned than
Pinnacle Studio, I don't know what is. I have put in my share of time
working with PS. Not only PS, but Pinnacle Instant Copy as well. That
too was a good product, but with it's share of woes as well. Also,
mediocre support.
I have had my share of problems and successes with Pinnacle. I started
with PS, and have successfully captured, edited, created DVD's, etc...
Also my share of lockups and abnormal terminations. I sort of know
where the problems are but can usually avoid them. V8 might not be a
fair comparison with V9 or V10, but I am not ready to spend money on
upgrades yet. Rather I spent my V9 upgrade money on VideoRedo. I have
looked at PS10, and it does look nice, but the message boards are not
positive.
I didn't purchase TDA and Dvd Lab Pro because I just wanted to spend
money. On the contrary, I wanted PS to succeed. But I could never
figure out how to make it create a video_ts set that would exceed the
size of the DVD, for later analysis and shrinkage later. This is why
that I went to Dvd Lab Pro which also added many many features to the
authoring process. TDA doesn't have the navigational features but it
does have the simplicity and flexibility that saves me a lot of time.
This may not be a problem with the dual layer capabilities of PS9, but
I am where I am before version 9 came out.
I do think a lot of the PS Moviebox USB2, which is the device that my
PS8 came with. I use it to capture all of analog videos. I believe it
to be a very good product. I also like the mpeg editing, and think
that the version 9/10 editing would be better. I also like the AC3
capabilities etc... But there is always that trust factor, and like
others, my response from PS support has been dismal. On the other
hand, the support that I have received VideoRedo and DvdLab Pro has
been superb. TDA is a question mark on support because I just haven't
had any problems.
I don't hear the same problems about ULEAD products that I hear about
Pinnacle. You may be right that PS users may be so happy that they
don't come here to share their experiences, but you are one of the few
that has. I welcome that, because the more that we have the better.
But the OP is looking for another authoring/burning solution, I
responded with my thoughts, observations, and experiences. He sounds
that he is in the same position as me, simply wanting to improve his
work flow. I make no claims for thousands of others, or dispute your
successes. There are others in this group who spend far more time than
I with many different products that are better judges than me.
Your help to Chuck would be very helpful not only to him but maybe to
many others. Any visit to the Pinnacle forums will not result in any
activity by knowledgable technicle people there for him or anyone else
that I have seen.
Your criticism of his, or mine for that matter, ability to read manuals
or study as you have is unwarrented, undocumented, condescending, and
unfair. I applaud your success, but you have no idea of what we are
doing or our requirements.
Cheers...
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Mark Burns
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject:
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Thank you Buchetamo for your kind words. I appreciate your
participation in newsgroup very much.
Actually I believe that I am only a beginner. I seem to learn
something new all of the time. There are some real experts out here.
I've been at this for about three years, on a very part time basis. My
wife is always careful not to let me fall into the over consumption
trap. But I do enjoy the people like yourself on this group who make
positive contributions to all of our lives.
I have worked closely in the past with two different software companies
a few years back. One made the unfortunate decision to relocate their
software development to the far east. Another to develop talent
in-house. The founder of the second company kept a tight reign on the
software development. The owner of the first company became removed
from the users. The founder of the second company insisted that he and
all of his developers spend a day a month on the help desk. The first
company went public and had to make short term sacrifices that, imho,
affected their long term future to keep their short term stock price
up. The second one was and still is privately held. Today the first
one is only a shadow of its former glory and a disappointment to those
who held their stock too long, the second is successful and highly
regarded.
Pinnacle reminds me of that first company. They appear to be still
sailing on the wind of their original good ideas. We shall see if
their new owners can breathe some new life into their sails. I am
pessimistic.
Cheers...
Mark |
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Mark Burns
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
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Len:
I am pretty sure that if I didn't need ps8 for my MovieBox USB2 that I
would have sacked Pinnacle for Ulead a long time ago.
Cheers...
Mark |
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Donald Link
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Sounds like you do not know what you want or doing.
On 28 Oct 2005 19:27:27 -0700, "Mark Burns" <marcus520520@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | Len:
I am pretty sure that if I didn't need ps8 for my MovieBox USB2 that I
would have sacked Pinnacle for Ulead a long time ago.
Cheers...
Mark |
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