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Dave
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:14 pm Post subject:
micing a drummer's vocal ??? |
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Hi,
I have some troubles for efficiently micing a drummer who sings while
playing drums. The main problem occurs with hi-hat, especially open hi-hat.
Drummer's vocal mic is picking up a lot of hi-hat. I have very often no
option but to reduce drastically trebles of the voice. I've tried several
mics (normal and headset) and mike positions but without good results.
Does anybody have a good solution?
Thanks
Dave
PS: it seems that this question has already been posted a few days ago, but
I couldn't retrieve from the server.
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Tim S Kemp
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:14 pm Post subject:
Re: micing a drummer's vocal ??? |
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Dave wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
I have some troubles for efficiently micing a drummer who sings while
playing drums. The main problem occurs with hi-hat, especially open
hi-hat. Drummer's vocal mic is picking up a lot of hi-hat. I have
very often no option but to reduce drastically trebles of the voice.
I've tried several mics (normal and headset) and mike positions but
without good results. Does anybody have a good solution?
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headset.
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"Get a paper bag" |
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**bg**
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:13 am Post subject:
Re: micing a drummer's vocal ??? |
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"Dave" <david.barras@hispeed.ch> wrote in message
news:co5eki$p10$1@news.hispeed.ch...
| Quote: | Hi, > I have some troubles for efficiently micing a drummer who sings
while
playing drums. The main problem occurs with hi-hat, especially open
hi-hat.
Drummer's vocal mic is picking up a lot of hi-hat. I have very often no
option but to reduce drastically trebles of the voice. I've tried several
mics (normal and headset) and mike positions but without good results.
Does anybody have a good solution?> > > Thanks > Dave
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Hey Dave,
I assume you've looked at very directional mics.
Soooo... maybe construct a small baffle, put it close to the mic on the end
of a boom, in line of sight twixt hat and mic.
Firstly tho, I'd try taping a small piece of baffle right onto the side of
the mic, in line of sight with the hat. You could filter out a lot of highs
on that side with dense material.
Cheers.
-bg-
www.thelittlecanadaheadphoneband.ca
www.lchb.ca |
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SCW
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:13 am Post subject:
Re: micing a drummer's vocal ??? |
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A decent headset mic properly gated and EQ'd ought to do the trick
SCW
"Dave" <david.barras@hispeed.ch> wrote in message
news:co5eki$p10$1@news.hispeed.ch...
| Quote: | Hi,
I have some troubles for efficiently micing a drummer who sings while
playing drums. The main problem occurs with hi-hat, especially open
hi-hat.
Drummer's vocal mic is picking up a lot of hi-hat. I have very often no
option but to reduce drastically trebles of the voice. I've tried several
mics (normal and headset) and mike positions but without good results.
Does anybody have a good solution?
Thanks
Dave
PS: it seems that this question has already been posted a few days ago,
but
I couldn't retrieve from the server.
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anybody-but-bush
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:13 am Post subject:
Re: micing a drummer's vocal ??? |
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"Dave" <david.barras@hispeed.ch> wrote in message
news:co5eki$p10$1@news.hispeed.ch...
: Hi,
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: I have some troubles for efficiently micing a drummer
who sings while
: playing drums. The main problem occurs with hi-hat,
especially open hi-hat.
: Drummer's vocal mic is picking up a lot of hi-hat. I
have very often no
: option but to reduce drastically trebles of the
voice. I've tried several
: mics (normal and headset) and mike positions but
without good results.
: Does anybody have a good solution?
:
:
: Thanks
:
: Dave
Have you tried to show the drummer what the end result
sounds like? Perhaps if the band and the drummer
understood the effect his mashing the hat has on the
bands sound they could persuade him to play like a
musician.
Phil |
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George Gleason
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:13 am Post subject:
Re: micing a drummer's vocal ??? |
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anybody-but-bush wrote:
| Quote: | "Dave" <david.barras@hispeed.ch> wrote in message
news:co5eki$p10$1@news.hispeed.ch...
: Hi,
:
: I have some troubles for efficiently micing a drummer
who sings while
: playing drums. The main problem occurs with hi-hat,
especially open hi-hat.
: Drummer's vocal mic is picking up a lot of hi-hat. I
have very often no
: option but to reduce drastically trebles of the
voice. I've tried several
: mics (normal and headset) and mike positions but
without good results.
: Does anybody have a good solution?
:
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: Thanks
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: Dave
The crown CM311 difroid mic will work |
it is available as a headset for any wireless system or handheld
it does require proper use by the drummer(very close like lips touching
the screen)
in order to obtain the rejection of distant sounds
George |
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Doug Schultz
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:12 am Post subject:
Re: micing a drummer's vocal ??? |
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try using a mic like an Audix OM5 that has a fairly Tight pattern
and then try it with windscreen added
sometimes it helps and sometimes not
the cheap alternative is to use an ATM63
very tite pattern and just windscreen around the sides of it.
this will get the diaphragm very close to the singers mouth and will reduce
hi's from anywhere else.
Doug
"Dave" <david.barras@hispeed.ch> wrote in message
news:co5eki$p10$1@news.hispeed.ch...
| Quote: | Hi,
I have some troubles for efficiently micing a drummer who sings while
playing drums. The main problem occurs with hi-hat, especially open
hi-hat.
Drummer's vocal mic is picking up a lot of hi-hat. I have very often no
option but to reduce drastically trebles of the voice. I've tried several
mics (normal and headset) and mike positions but without good results.
Does anybody have a good solution?
Thanks
Dave
PS: it seems that this question has already been posted a few days ago,
but
I couldn't retrieve from the server.
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Lord Valve
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:12 am Post subject:
Re: micing a drummer's vocal ??? |
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If your drummer is having trouble with mice, by him a cat or some D-Con.
If we're talking about *miking*, that's different. Try using two identical
mikes mounted an inch apart, one on top of the other. Phase reverse
the channel for the upper one, and have him sing into the lower one.
Make sure the EQ and gain settings on both are identical. Extraneous
sounds will reach both mikes (nearly) equally, cancelling themselves out.
Since he'll be singing into only one of the mikes, his vocal will go
through fine.
Lord Valve
Top-posting Smartass
Dave wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
I have some troubles for efficiently micing a drummer who sings while
playing drums. The main problem occurs with hi-hat, especially open hi-hat.
Drummer's vocal mic is picking up a lot of hi-hat. I have very often no
option but to reduce drastically trebles of the voice. I've tried several
mics (normal and headset) and mike positions but without good results.
Does anybody have a good solution?
Thanks
Dave
PS: it seems that this question has already been posted a few days ago, but
I couldn't retrieve from the server. |
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George Gleason
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:12 am Post subject:
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Lord Valve
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Well you got it 1/2 right
G |
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:16 am Post subject:
Re: micing a drummer's vocal ??? |
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:37:11 GMT, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If your drummer is having trouble with mice, by him a cat or some D-Con.
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"by him a cat" ....
hmmmmmm I remember a Newfoundlander who talked a bit like that... as in, " And
then walked by him a cat."
So LV is suggesting that if you go by him with a cat, the drummer, you could
solve his mice problem. Sounds reasonable...
But it's much more plausible that the great (big fat?) Lord Valve has made a
spelling error on the newsgroup!!
OH no!! The world is ending!! :)
| Quote: | If we're talking about *miking*, that's different. Try using two identical
mikes mounted an inch apart, one on top of the other. Phase reverse
the channel for the upper one, and have him sing into the lower one.
Make sure the EQ and gain settings on both are identical. Extraneous
sounds will reach both mikes (nearly) equally, cancelling themselves out.
Since he'll be singing into only one of the mikes, his vocal will go
through fine.
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Have you tried this? Sounds dicey...
| Quote: | Lord Valve
Top-posting Smartass
Dave wrote:
Hi,
I have some troubles for efficiently micing a drummer who sings while
playing drums. The main problem occurs with hi-hat, especially open hi-hat.
Drummer's vocal mic is picking up a lot of hi-hat. I have very often no
option but to reduce drastically trebles of the voice. I've tried several
mics (normal and headset) and mike positions but without good results.
Does anybody have a good solution?
Thanks
Dave
PS: it seems that this question has already been posted a few days ago, but
I couldn't retrieve from the server.
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Lord Valve
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:17 pm Post subject:
Re: micing a drummer's vocal ??? |
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Maniac@large.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:37:11 GMT, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
If your drummer is having trouble with mice, by him a cat or some D-Con.
"by him a cat" ....
hmmmmmm I remember a Newfoundlander who talked a bit like that... as in, " And
then walked by him a cat."
So LV is suggesting that if you go by him with a cat, the drummer, you could
solve his mice problem. Sounds reasonable...
But it's much more plausible that the great (big fat?) Lord Valve has made a
spelling error on the newsgroup!!
OH no!! The world is ending!! :)
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Holy shit, a typo! Has anyone a revolver handy?
| Quote: |
If we're talking about *miking*, that's different. Try using two identical
mikes mounted an inch apart, one on top of the other. Phase reverse
the channel for the upper one, and have him sing into the lower one.
Make sure the EQ and gain settings on both are identical. Extraneous
sounds will reach both mikes (nearly) equally, cancelling themselves out.
Since he'll be singing into only one of the mikes, his vocal will go
through fine.
Have you tried this? Sounds dicey...
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Sure I have.
In fact, it's been a standard technique for several decades.
Shure makes a dual mount for their SM and Beta 57s, made
expressly to facilitate this. It's called an A26M.
LV |
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:39 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:50:13 GMT, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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Maniac@large.com wrote:
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:37:11 GMT, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
If your drummer is having trouble with mice, by him a cat or some D-Con.
"by him a cat" ....
hmmmmmm I remember a Newfoundlander who talked a bit like that... as in, " And
then walked by him a cat."
So LV is suggesting that if you go by him with a cat, the drummer, you could
solve his mice problem. Sounds reasonable...
But it's much more plausible that the great (big fat?) Lord Valve has made a
spelling error on the newsgroup!!
OH no!! The world is ending!! :)
Holy shit, a typo! Has anyone a revolver handy?
If we're talking about *miking*, that's different. Try using two identical
mikes mounted an inch apart, one on top of the other. Phase reverse
the channel for the upper one, and have him sing into the lower one.
Make sure the EQ and gain settings on both are identical. Extraneous
sounds will reach both mikes (nearly) equally, cancelling themselves out.
Since he'll be singing into only one of the mikes, his vocal will go
through fine.
Have you tried this? Sounds dicey...
Sure I have.
In fact, it's been a standard technique for several decades.
Shure makes a dual mount for their SM and Beta 57s, made
expressly to facilitate this. It's called an A26M.
LV
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That's interesting, I wouldn't have thought that you could sing into only one
mike... usually people hold the mike below the lips, and aimed up, to avoid wind
blast... but then again... I don't sing or mike singers... only guitars and
drums! |
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