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Erik Harris
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
Plextor PX-716A and Memorex DVD+RW = disaster? |
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First of all, I know double-posting this was a breach of netiquette - I meant
to check a few groups and cross-post, but accidentally went ahead and sent
this to another group. For those who are also checking
alt.video.dvd.authoring, I apologize for not properly crossposting this. :)
Does anyone use Memorex DVD+RW discs with a Plextor 716A DVD writer? I got a
spindle of 25 discs on sale, figuring that the way I use RW discs, they'd
last pretty much forever. But I'm finding that after 5-8 rewrites each, the
discs stop passing data verification. I've never before had media go bad so
quickly, and I know that DVD+RW discs are supposed to be rewritable at least
hundreds of times without losing integrity.
I'm handling the discs properly, keeping them clean, etc. There are no
visible problems with any of the media that is failing - no scratches, no
smudges, nothing stuck on the discs, etc. They appear perfectly pristine,
but after working a handful of times, they just stop passing data
verification checks in Nero (I started using Nero to burn authored discs
instead of my authoring software because I kept having discs that would fail
in my DVD player, and the authoring software doesn't have an option to
validate the burn, so Nero is completely blame-free in this matter).
I'm a bit concerned - I know Plextor makes pretty much the best optical
drives out there, but I've also heard of a number of people having their
Plextod drives stop working (or stop working well) pretty early on - it seems
Plextor drives either degrade very quickly or last forever. Other than +RW
discs, I've noticed no problems with this drive, though, so I suspect that
either Memorex media is crap, or it simply doesn't play nice with Plextor's
drives (Memorex doesn't make Plextor's "approved media" list, but I've never
found any problems with non-approved media in the past with drives, and tend
to assume that "approval" means money-changing-hands-marketing-deal as
opposed to anything of actual substance).
Thanks for any help
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Jan B
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:41 am Post subject:
Re: Plextor PX-716A and Memorex DVD+RW = disaster? |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:24:22 -0400, Erik Harris
<n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Does anyone use Memorex DVD+RW discs with a Plextor 716A DVD writer? I got a
spindle of 25 discs on sale, figuring that the way I use RW discs, they'd
last pretty much forever. But I'm finding that after 5-8 rewrites each, the
discs stop passing data verification. I've never before had media go bad so
quickly, and I know that DVD+RW discs are supposed to be rewritable at least
hundreds of times without losing integrity.
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I also have problems with certain +RW discs (of certain brands).
I haven't tried Memorex. What is the ID?
I also have a Plextor 716A. I started to have problems with too many
individual discs from a new spindle so I started to check the quality
of the burn with Plextools.
Instead of waiting for read errors in the read back test, you can
check the quality of a written disc with Plextools "TA test" and
"PI/PO test".
Some discs show high PI error rate already at the second write, while
others continue to give low values.
I have made a note to stay away from eProformance 4x (ID= PRODISC).
There were individuals in the packs that performed well also after the
third write but far too many (say 2 of 5) went bad already after
second write.
I tried these discs also in another computer with a NEC writer which
also resulted in bad quality. So I don't immediately suspect the
Plextor writer.
I have better success with Maxell 4x and Traxdata 4x (they are the
same with ID= RICOHJPN W11).
Now I'm into Sony 4x (ID= Philips 041-00) which looks promising.
| Quote: | I'm handling the discs properly, keeping them clean, etc.
Me too. |
/Jan |
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John
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject:
Re: Plextor PX-716A and Memorex DVD+RW = disaster? |
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Erik Harris wrote:
| Quote: | Does anyone use Memorex DVD+RW discs with a Plextor 716A DVD writer?
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Stay away from Memorex (any type) with a Plextor 716A DVD writer.
I've used Imation, Philips, Fujifilm w/o ever having problems.
Have had Memorex discs go bad on 2nd write for RW and 1st
write using R. |
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Bob
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject:
Re: Plextor PX-716A and Memorex DVD+RW = disaster? |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:24:22 -0400, Erik Harris
<n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Does anyone use Memorex DVD+RW discs
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Never use MemorWrecks. They are cheap crap. I have 50 coasters to
prove it. Most were made an average of 6 months ago and now I can't
read them on any DVD player.
According to CDFrealks, there are only two brands worth considering:
Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim Mistubishi.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=146146
TY does not make +/-RW so that leaves Verbatim. |
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Erik Harris
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:31 am Post subject:
Re: Plextor PX-716A and Memorex DVD+RW = disaster? |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:27:52 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
| Quote: | According to CDFrealks, there are only two brands worth considering:
Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim Mistubishi.
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I was finding lots of deals on Verbatim discs a few years ago, but lately all
of the sales have been for Memorex discs. I'll keep an eye out for Verbatim
sales, and if my spindle of 25 dies before I see one, I'll just pay full
price. :)
I've actually had quite good luck with the Memorex +R discs. I've been sure
to stick to 4X speed (on 16X discs) when burning DVD Video, to try to appease
some of the pickier DVD players out there
Thanks for the tip.
Erik Harris http://www.eHarrisHome.com
n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com - replace each dollar sign with an e
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club http://www.kungfu-silat.com |
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Erik Harris
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:32 am Post subject:
Re: Plextor PX-716A and Memorex DVD+RW = disaster? |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:41:00 GMT, nospam@nospam.se (Jan B) wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:24:22 -0400, Erik Harris
n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com> wrote:
Does anyone use Memorex DVD+RW discs with a Plextor 716A DVD writer? I got a
spindle of 25 discs on sale, figuring that the way I use RW discs, they'd
last pretty much forever. But I'm finding that after 5-8 rewrites each, the
discs stop passing data verification. I've never before had media go bad so
quickly, and I know that DVD+RW discs are supposed to be rewritable at least
hundreds of times without losing integrity.
I also have problems with certain +RW discs (of certain brands).
I haven't tried Memorex. What is the ID?
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These 4X +RW discs have an ID of "INFODISC A10"
Apparently, the general consensus is to avoid them. :)
Erik Harris http://www.eHarrisHome.com
n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com - replace each dollar sign with an e
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club http://www.kungfu-silat.com |
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Biz
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
Re: Plextor PX-716A and Memorex DVD+RW = disaster? |
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Here's a good site to check on media
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia
"Erik Harris" <n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com> wrote in message
news:ef1bl1530jud25vt5h35m41c17o7ocvog3@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:41:00 GMT, nospam@nospam.se (Jan B) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:24:22 -0400, Erik Harris
n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com> wrote:
Does anyone use Memorex DVD+RW discs with a Plextor 716A DVD writer? I
got a
spindle of 25 discs on sale, figuring that the way I use RW discs,
they'd
last pretty much forever. But I'm finding that after 5-8 rewrites each,
the
discs stop passing data verification. I've never before had media go
bad so
quickly, and I know that DVD+RW discs are supposed to be rewritable at
least
hundreds of times without losing integrity.
I also have problems with certain +RW discs (of certain brands).
I haven't tried Memorex. What is the ID?
These 4X +RW discs have an ID of "INFODISC A10"
Apparently, the general consensus is to avoid them. :)
Erik Harris http://www.eHarrisHome.com
n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com - replace each dollar sign with an e
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club http://www.kungfu-silat.com |
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Phil Wheeler
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
Re: Plextor PX-716A and Memorex DVD+RW = disaster? |
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Erik Harris wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:27:52 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
According to CDFrealks, there are only two brands worth considering:
Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim Mistubishi.
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For DVD-R (only) I've used several hundred TDKs (at one time I had 500
blank ones, but I'm down to 200 now) and not had one failure (this with
my 716A and my Panny ES10).
Only time I used DVD-RWs is in my camcorder (mini size). Those are
Memorex and seem fine -- no failures to date, but I have a dozen so I
have not been thru them many times.
There is an excellent article on DVD media manufacturers (who really
makes which brands) here:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
Phil |
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Jan B
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:31 am Post subject:
Re: Plextor PX-716A and Memorex DVD+RW = disaster? |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:32:44 -0400, Erik Harris
<n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:41:00 GMT, nospam@nospam.se (Jan B) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:24:22 -0400, Erik Harris
n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com> wrote:
Does anyone use Memorex DVD+RW discs with a Plextor 716A DVD writer? I got a
spindle of 25 discs on sale, figuring that the way I use RW discs, they'd
last pretty much forever. But I'm finding that after 5-8 rewrites each, the
discs stop passing data verification. I've never before had media go bad so
quickly, and I know that DVD+RW discs are supposed to be rewritable at least
hundreds of times without losing integrity.
I also have problems with certain +RW discs (of certain brands).
I haven't tried Memorex. What is the ID?
These 4X +RW discs have an ID of "INFODISC A10"
Apparently, the general consensus is to avoid them. :)
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"Biz" gave a good link to http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia
It seems that Memorex has used a lot of suppliers for 4x +RW discs:
CMC MAG.W02
INFODISCA10
MKM.....A02
PHILIPS.041
PRODISC.W02
RICOHJPNW11
Some of them might actually be useful ;)
MKM.....A02
Is also sold as Verbatim.
RICOHJPNW11
is used by a whole bunch of brands
I don't know how to tell before we by, so your conclusion might be
correct (along with the rest of the brands where there is a risk to
get a disc with an ID that you have in your black list).
This is getting complicated ...
Is the media code a unique identification or is it probable that the
quality and drive compatibility varies over different production lots
etc?
/Jan |
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Bob
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject:
Re: Plextor PX-716A and Memorex DVD+RW = disaster? |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:31:51 -0400, Erik Harris
<n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I was finding lots of deals on Verbatim discs a few years ago, but lately all
of the sales have been for Memorex discs. I'll keep an eye out for Verbatim
sales, and if my spindle of 25 dies before I see one, I'll just pay full
price. :)
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Sam's Club has 100 DVD +R or -R 16x discs for $42. I bought some and
the MID is MCC. That's the Mitsubishi Chemical Co. in Japan, which
means it is the really good stuff.
| Quote: | I've actually had quite good luck with the Memorex +R discs. I've been sure
to stick to 4X speed (on 16X discs) when burning DVD Video, to try to appease
some of the pickier DVD players out there
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I burn DVD video on those Verbatim discs at 16x with my NEC 3540. I
use DVD Decrypter with Verify. I have not had one coaster.
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If you build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day. If you
set a man on fire, he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
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Erik Harris
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Plextor PX-716A and Memorex DVD+RW = disaster? |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:44:03 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:31:51 -0400, Erik Harris
n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com> wrote:
I was finding lots of deals on Verbatim discs a few years ago, but lately all
of the sales have been for Memorex discs. I'll keep an eye out for Verbatim
sales, and if my spindle of 25 dies before I see one, I'll just pay full
price. :)
Sam's Club has 100 DVD +R or -R 16x discs for $42. I bought some and
the MID is MCC. That's the Mitsubishi Chemical Co. in Japan, which
means it is the really good stuff.
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That's fine, but I was specifically talking about +RW or -RW discs, until the
paragraph below. I can't imagine needing rewritables in such large
quantities, nor can I imagine getting them for such good pricesr for the time
being. :)
| Quote: | I've actually had quite good luck with the Memorex +R discs. I've been sure
to stick to 4X speed (on 16X discs) when burning DVD Video, to try to appease
some of the pickier DVD players out there
I burn DVD video on those Verbatim discs at 16x with my NEC 3540. I
use DVD Decrypter with Verify. I have not had one coaster.
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I've burned the discs at 16X without any errors (using Nero to verify), using
Memorex discs and others, but some of my students have had problems with the
discs in their DVD players. I haven't tried some of the fancier Plextor
Tools testing tools, though. Maybe I'll start playing with that app a bit
more to see what I can learn.
Erik Harris http://www.eHarrisHome.com
n$wsr$ader@$harrishom$.com - replace each dollar sign with an e
Chinese-Indonesian Martial Arts Club http://www.kungfu-silat.com |
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