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John Richards
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:49 am Post subject:
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There is endless discussion of the inability to hear any differences between
competently designed inexpensive audio electronics (amps, preamps and CD
players) and the pricey high end stuff. How about giving us some guidance
with some specific recommendations?
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"John Richards" <jrichar3@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | There is endless discussion of the inability to hear any differences
between competently designed inexpensive audio electronics (amps, preamps
and CD players) and the pricey high end stuff. How about giving us some
guidance with some specific recommendations?
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1. Don't buy a CD player, buy a DVD player. I would recommend one that
plays all the discs you may run into, such as CD, CDR/RW, DVD, DVDR/RW, all
encoded with the full panoply of protocols. e.g. I found DVD+R encoded with
mp3 and wma sound files to be very useful. Some serious amateurs make DVDRs
with 48k/16bit PCM recordings, allowing full operas on a single disc,
uncompressed.
2. Don't buy an amp and preamp; buy a receiver. A receiver such as the
Panasonic HE100 will do just about anything. It even has a phono preamp, in
case you want to play an LP. Furthermore, you simply add speakers, and you
have a complete surround sound system. Receivers also have another feature;
they have a headphone jack.
3. Don't buy full range speakers. Buy bookshelp speakers and a single
subwoofer. A subwoofer will take most all of the load away from the
receiver, eliminating its main weakness. The decision between 2 full-range
speakers or 2 smaller speakers + subwoofer is a close one; both choices have
their advantages. If you're lucky enough to find a place to put a pair of
full-range speakers where the low frequencies and the mid frequencies are
both shown to best advantage, then that might be the way to go. I've never
been that lucky, and I had to put the sub in a much different position than
the bookshelp speakers. If you need more than 2 speakers, then the
subwoofer approach is a no-brainer.
All of this is, quite naturally, my opinion. Others, whose recommendations
diverge from mine, are just as valuable and useful. You might follow advice
given by Arny Krueger, who posts here frequently, and is a better source
than I am.
Norm Strong |
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Len Moskowitz
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:48 am Post subject:
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Norm Strong <normanstrong@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | 1. Don't buy a CD player, buy a DVD player. I would recommend one that
plays all the discs you may run into, such as CD, CDR/RW, DVD, DVDR/RW, all
encoded with the full panoply of protocols. ...
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Seconded! Pioneer makes a very low cost DVD player that will play
DVD-Audio, SACD, MP3, WMA, CD, CD-Video, CD-R and a few DVD video format for
under $150.
If you're unhappy with the audio performance, add an outboard DAC like
the Benchmark DAC-1 or the Grace 902. Both offer headphone jacks.
| Quote: | 2. Don't buy an amp and preamp; buy a receiver.
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We differ here.
If you're interested primarily in two channel sound, don't buy a
receiver, just buy an amp and a passive volume control/source selector.
Pre-amps aren't needed if your sources have a decent Line level output.
In that siutation, unless you need elaborate source and taping selection
options, pre-amps only add noise.
Buy a second-hand amp. You can get ten-year-old Class-A amp like a
Krell KSA-50 or KSA-80 for under $1000, or amps like Bryston's 3BST for
under $900. They're durable, don't degrade in any noticeable way and
performance is still up to today's High End standards. The Brystons
even carry 20-year transferable warranties.
| Quote: | 3. Don't buy full range speakers. Buy bookshelp speakers and a single
subwoofer. ...
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Seconded!
I can heartily recommend the Revel M-20 mini two-way speakers. In a
much lower price class, there's the Infinity Primus 150.
--
Len Moskowitz PDAudio, Binaural Mics, Cables, DPA, M-Audio
Core Sound http://www.core-sound.com
Teaneck, New Jersey USA Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912
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John Richards
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:08 am Post subject:
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"John Richards" <jrichar3@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | There is endless discussion of the inability to hear any differences
between competently designed inexpensive audio electronics (amps, preamps
and CD players) and the pricey high end stuff. How about giving us some
guidance with some specific recommendations?
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Thought I should clarify my request for recommendations. My thinking was
that the contributors to this group who have actually compared some
inexpensive components with the high end stuff and determined that they
sound the same, could identify, by brand name and model designation, those
inexpensive components.
A typical general recommendation is to use a DVD player to play CDs but when
I tried that, the DVD player was noticeably inferior to my dated "budget"
high end 16 bit CD player (Ultech) though I couldn't identfy any difference
between the Ultec and a much more expensive oversampling tube unit (Cary).
From my experience, there are definitely some very good sounding components
available at reasonable prices but I don't think you will find them at
Circuit City or Best Buy. I don't think you can evaluate components based
on the technology used and the specifications nor on a demo in one of the
big chain electronics stores. I would like nothing better than to find a
complete stereo system (not multichannel or home theater) for a few hundred
dollars if someone could give me some specific recommendations based on
objective direct comparisons with the high end stuff. |
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andy
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject:
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You might be struggling. How many audiophiles are going to buy consumer
or pro-audio kit? How many pro-audio types will spend large sums of
money on audiophile kit?
An exception is probably a consumer DVD player which an audiophile
might buy to play movies. For example, there have been a number of
threads concerning the cheap Pioneer DVD player which supports
DVD-Audio and SACD (although I have one I cannot remember the number).
I presumed the support for the high resolution audio formats was
relevant and you may not get the same results with a consumer DVD
player that only supports coarse resolution audio. Did your consumer
DVD player support the higher resolution audio formats?
I am afraid that I have never owned an expensive CD player but the chap
two doors down sold his after buying the Pioneer to watch movies. He
stated that he could hear no significant difference but, I am afraid, I
do not know the brand of the expensive CD player. If I see him before
the thread disappears I will post again. |
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Arny Krueger
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:26 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | A typical general recommendation is to use a DVD player
to play CDs but when I tried that, the DVD player was
noticeably inferior to my dated "budget" high end 16 bit
CD player (Ultech) though I couldn't identfy any
difference between the Ultec and a much more expensive
oversampling tube unit (Cary).
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I'd bet money that your budget and high end players didn't
have identical output voltages.
I'm not going to say that louder always sounds better, but
it does always sound different.
| Quote: | From my experience, there
are definitely some very good sounding components
available at reasonable prices but I don't think you will
find them at Circuit City or Best Buy.
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IME, one's tolerance for budget electronics goes up the
better your listening tests are.
| Quote: | I don't think you
can evaluate components based on the technology used and
the specifications nor on a demo in one of the big chain
electronics stores.
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Ditto for demos in high end stores.
| Quote: | I would like nothing better than to
find a complete stereo system (not multichannel or home
theater) for a few hundred dollars if someone could give
me some specific recommendations based on objective
direct comparisons with the high end stuff.
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How's your Spanish?
http://www.matrixhifi.com/marco.htm |
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John Richards
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject:
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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "John Richards" <jrichar3@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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A typical general recommendation is to use a DVD player
to play CDs but when I tried that, the DVD player was
noticeably inferior to my dated "budget" high end 16 bit
CD player (Ultech) though I couldn't identfy any
difference between the Ultec and a much more expensive
oversampling tube unit (Cary).
I'd bet money that your budget and high end players didn't have identical
output voltages.
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Irrelevant - I install a new component in my system and live with it for a
period of time, meaning that I may readjust the volume several times during
that period. I then reinstall the original component and if I find that I
am just as happy with it, I will likely retain the original component and
return or sell the new one. I realize that this is not a "scientific"
approach but it does tell me which of the two components sounds better to me
while listening to familiar music in a familiar system and room while
minimizing the sometimes misleading first impression.
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I'm not going to say that louder always sounds better, but it does always
sound different.
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Again, irrelevant as it applies to my evaluation method.
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From my experience, there
are definitely some very good sounding components
available at reasonable prices but I don't think you will
find them at Circuit City or Best Buy.
IME, one's tolerance for budget electronics goes up the better your
listening tests are.
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By tolerance, I'm assuming you mean setting one's biases aside. If someone
can recommend specific budget components that have been scientifically
proven to sound identical to the expensive high end stuff, I would look
forward to trying them with the hope that I could then sell my "high end"
stuff. I am just asking those of you who have actually conducted valid
listening tests to identify some of the budget components that you have
found to equal the performance of the expensive stuff.
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I don't think you
can evaluate components based on the technology used and
the specifications nor on a demo in one of the big chain
electronics stores.
Ditto for demos in high end stores.
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Agreed, for the most part. I have never seen a demo in a large chain store
where there was even an attempt to position the speakers properly and where
the tone controls were not engaged - seems the more bass the better. Though
I do think that a demo in a high end store could be useful (not conclusive)
in evaluating the compatibility of certain amplifiers with certain speakers
or speakers themselves if an appropriate amplifier is used in the demo. I
don't think it is reasonable to expect to be able to evaluate one specific
component in any unfamiliar system in any unfamiliar room or in any short
term demo. This, again, is why I'm asking for some recommendations based on
actual controlled tests.
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I would like nothing better than to
find a complete stereo system (not multichannel or home
theater) for a few hundred dollars if someone could give
me some specific recommendations based on objective
direct comparisons with the high end stuff.
How's your Spanish?
http://www.matrixhifi.com/marco.htm
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Is this the only recommendation you can come up with Arny? I was thinking
more in terms of specific recommendations for a CD player and amplifier
avialable for a couple hundred dollars (or whatever minimum price required)
that would be comparable in sound, according to your own tests, with some of
the stuff from, say, Krell or Levinson. How about it Arny?
This request may sound adversarial but it really isn't intended as such. I
would really like to try some budget components but have neither the
financial resources nor the time to properly screen available "budget" audio
components on my own. The final evaluation would still be my unscientific
method described above. |
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Arny Krueger
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:47 pm Post subject:
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"John Richards" <jrichar3@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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A typical general recommendation is to use a DVD player
to play CDs but when I tried that, the DVD player was
noticeably inferior to my dated "budget" high end 16 bit
CD player (Ultech) though I couldn't identfy any
difference between the Ultec and a much more expensive
oversampling tube unit (Cary).
I'd bet money that your budget and high end players
didn't have identical output voltages.
Irrelevant -
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Thanks John for admitting to your inability to properly
compare electronic components.
You obviously don't know a basic rule of audio - when levels
aren't matched, things sound different.
For your next 5 purchases John, you might consider buying 5
copies of the same amplifier with a detented volume control.
Adjust the volume control of each amplifer to different
detents, and just maybe you can convince yourself that each
one sounds better than the previous one. It's all about
component break-in, right? ;-) |
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John Richards
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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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A typical general recommendation is to use a DVD player
to play CDs but when I tried that, the DVD player was
noticeably inferior to my dated "budget" high end 16 bit
CD player (Ultech) though I couldn't identfy any
difference between the Ultec and a much more expensive
oversampling tube unit (Cary).
I'd bet money that your budget and high end players
didn't have identical output voltages.
Irrelevant -
Thanks John for admitting to your inability to properly compare electronic
components.
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I see you either failed to understand my explaination as to why it is
irrelevant in this context or that you intentionally left out my explanation
in your quote because it was easier for you to focus on a point that you so
much love to debate.
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You obviously don't know a basic rule of audio - when levels aren't
matched, things sound different.
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That's why I'm asking you for recommendations from the perspective of
someone who does know the basic rules of audio.
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For your next 5 purchases John, you might consider buying 5 copies of the
same amplifier with a detented volume control. Adjust the volume control
of each amplifer to different detents, and just maybe you can convince
yourself that each one sounds better than the previous one.
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I probably could, simply because each amplifier was louder (assuming we
don't get into noticeable distortion) but I would like to think that
regardless of what amplifier I was listening to, I would adjust that
amplifier to a comfortable level. If all the amplifiers sound the same,
then that level should be about the same.
| Quote: | It's all about component break-in, right? ;-)
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If you say so Arny. I never put much stock in the break-in idea myself but
if you say it's an important factor then I guess I have to accept that. ;-)
Do you have a problem with recommending specific components that you have
compared with the high end stuff or are you operating only from your belief
that if these components were actually compared, science tells you that
there should be no difference?
I would still be interested in specific recommendations if you have any,
however I will not be sucked into an endless debate regarding the worthiness
of my experiences and beliefs. These debates always seem to degenerate into
sarcastic and downright mean personal attacks which I find a total waste of
time and energy.
John |
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"John Richards" <jrichar3@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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There is endless discussion of the inability to hear any differences
between competently designed inexpensive audio electronics (amps, preamps
and CD players) and the pricey high end stuff. How about giving us some
guidance with some specific recommendations?
Thought I should clarify my request for recommendations. My thinking was
that the contributors to this group who have actually compared some
inexpensive components with the high end stuff and determined that they
sound the same, could identify, by brand name and model designation, those
inexpensive components.
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I would recommend a Panasonic HE100 receiver. The sound quality is not
noticeably inferior to Krell and McIntosh amplifiers, provided that the
speaker impedance is well behaved and its sensitivity is at least average.
Since this is to be a 2 channel setup, just ignore the other 4 channels.
The price is going to be around $200.
I've also heard a Pioneer DVD player that plays SACD and DVD-Audio, in
addition to all the other stuff you might run into. I don't remember the
model number, but it cost about $170.
For speakers, I've been impressed with the Paradigm Titan, which at the time
I heard it was $220/pr. To get a clean octave below the Titan, you should
buy a subwoofer. I've only heard 2 over an extended period of time; the
Adire Rava and the Hsu VTF-2. Both sell for about $400.
Is this a satisfactory answer to your question?
Cheers,
Norm Strong |
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Arny Krueger
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A typical general recommendation is to use a DVD
player to play CDs but when I tried that, the DVD
player was noticeably inferior to my dated "budget"
high end 16 bit CD player (Ultech) though I couldn't
identfy any difference between the Ultec and a much
more expensive oversampling tube unit (Cary).
I'd bet money that your budget and high end players
didn't have identical output voltages.
Irrelevant -
Thanks John for admitting to your inability to properly
compare electronic components.
I see you either failed to understand my explaination as
to why it is irrelevant in this context or that you
intentionally left out my explanation in your quote
because it was easier for you to focus on a point that
you so much love to debate.
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not at all. It's just that John that your alleged
explanation is bogus.
| Quote: | You obviously don't know a basic rule of audio - when
levels aren't matched, things sound different.
That's why I'm asking you for recommendations from the
perspective of someone who does know the basic rules of
audio.
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Not at all John - you're making foolish declarations that I
can't understand simple errors.
| Quote: | For your next 5 purchases John, you might consider
buying 5 copies of the same amplifier with a detented
volume control. Adjust the volume control of each
amplifer to different detents, and just maybe you can
convince yourself that each one sounds better than the
previous one.
I probably could, simply because each amplifier was
louder (assuming we don't get into noticeable distortion)
but I would like to think that regardless of what
amplifier I was listening to, I would adjust that
amplifier to a comfortable level. If all the amplifiers
sound the same, then that level should be about the same.
It's all about component break-in, right? ;-)
If you say so Arny. I never put much stock in the
break-in idea myself but if you say it's an important
factor then I guess I have to accept that. ;-)
Do you have a problem with recommending specific
components that you have compared with the high end stuff
or are you operating only from your belief that if these
components were actually compared, science tells you that
there should be no difference?
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What constitutes a proper comparsion?
Have I listened to among the supposedly finest high end
components for days at a time in the past year? Sure I
have, I spent several days at HE2005 in New York this
spring. Here - read about it in Stereophile
http://www.stereophile.com/news/050905debate/
Abnd these are not the only experiences I've had lately with
listening to high end gear. I've visited friends and
acquaintances in their own homes where they had elaborate
displays of high end audio systems.
Do I think that kind of experience is definitive? Not for
you, not for me.
There were zero opportunities to do a proper comparison -
one that was level-matched, time-synched and
bias-controlled.
IMO, far more definitive are listening tests that I've done
involving mid-fi and audio production grade equipment
*without* comparison to high end gear.
If you are willing to allow that the purpose of High
Fidelity audio gear is accurate reproduction of music and
other sound sources, then the most relevant comparison does
not involve comparing different pieces of audio gear.
Instead, it is best to compare audio equipment to an
absolute standard - compare the electrical output of audio
components to the original signal that they are attempting
to reproduce.
If you do that, you find that audio's high end is primarly
about overpriced hits and misses. |
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John Richards
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There is endless discussion of the inability to hear any differences
between competently designed inexpensive audio electronics (amps,
preamps and CD players) and the pricey high end stuff. How about giving
us some guidance with some specific recommendations?
Thought I should clarify my request for recommendations. My thinking was
that the contributors to this group who have actually compared some
inexpensive components with the high end stuff and determined that they
sound the same, could identify, by brand name and model designation,
those inexpensive components.
I would recommend a Panasonic HE100 receiver. The sound quality is not
noticeably inferior to Krell and McIntosh amplifiers, provided that the
speaker impedance is well behaved and its sensitivity is at least average.
Since this is to be a 2 channel setup, just ignore the other 4 channels.
The price is going to be around $200.
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The Panasonic HE100 would probably not be happy then with a pair of Magnapan
1.6QR speakers.
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I've also heard a Pioneer DVD player that plays SACD and DVD-Audio, in
addition to all the other stuff you might run into. I don't remember the
model number, but it cost about $170.
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Could that be the DV-588A-S? That seems to be the only one in the Pioneer
line that is anywhere near $170 (available on line for $104.95). I'll have
to check into the return policy in case it doesn't work out.
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For speakers, I've been impressed with the Paradigm Titan, which at the
time I heard it was $220/pr. To get a clean octave below the Titan, you
should buy a subwoofer. I've only heard 2 over an extended period of
time; the Adire Rava and the Hsu VTF-2. Both sell for about $400.
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I would rather not rely on a subwoofer as I have never been able to blend
one properly with small monitors or my Magnapans. When I tried a Sunfire
sub crossed over at 40 HZ with and without a a high pass on the magnapans, I
kept reducing the output of the sub until it no longer mucked up the sound
of the Magnapans. When I reached that output level for the sub, I realized
that the sub was not generating any sound!
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Is this a satisfactory answer to your question?
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I may look into the Pioneer DVD player though what I was looking for was
recommendations from people who had actually done documented blind
comparisons and were willing to share their results. I thought it would be
helpful to those of us who don't have the knowledge or resouces to do these
comparisons on our own. I guess, for whatever reason, such recommendations
are not forthcoming.
Thanks for the recommendations you did offer.
John Richards
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Cheers,
Norm Strong
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Stewart Pinkerton
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:08:52 GMT, "John Richards"
<jrichar3@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
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"John Richards" <jrichar3@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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There is endless discussion of the inability to hear any differences
between competently designed inexpensive audio electronics (amps, preamps
and CD players) and the pricey high end stuff. How about giving us some
guidance with some specific recommendations?
Thought I should clarify my request for recommendations. My thinking was
that the contributors to this group who have actually compared some
inexpensive components with the high end stuff and determined that they
sound the same, could identify, by brand name and model designation, those
inexpensive components.
A typical general recommendation is to use a DVD player to play CDs but when
I tried that, the DVD player was noticeably inferior to my dated "budget"
high end 16 bit CD player (Ultech) though I couldn't identfy any difference
between the Ultec and a much more expensive oversampling tube unit (Cary).
From my experience, there are definitely some very good sounding components
available at reasonable prices but I don't think you will find them at
Circuit City or Best Buy. I don't think you can evaluate components based
on the technology used and the specifications nor on a demo in one of the
big chain electronics stores. I would like nothing better than to find a
complete stereo system (not multichannel or home theater) for a few hundred
dollars if someone could give me some specific recommendations based on
objective direct comparisons with the high end stuff.
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Pioneer DV-575 driving a Yamaha AX-592, connected with any old $20
interconnects and basic 14AWG Home depot wire. Connect those to any
'high end' speaker of your choice (making sure you pick one whose
impedance doesn't dip much under 4 ohms), and you'll have properly
high-end sound quality for a reasonable budget.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Colin B.
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:20 am Post subject:
Re: C'mon guys, give us some recomendations |
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John Richards <jrichar3@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
(lots of snipping)
| Quote: | I may look into the Pioneer DVD player though what I was looking for was
recommendations from people who had actually done documented blind
comparisons and were willing to share their results. I thought it would be
helpful to those of us who don't have the knowledge or resouces to do these
comparisons on our own. I guess, for whatever reason, such recommendations
are not forthcoming.
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Is it any wonder? At first, you asked very vaguely for recommendations. Then
a few posts later, you clarified just what you were looking for, but also
made it entirely clear that you don't have any faith or interest in blind
tests. It's a bit of a connundrum, if anyone cares. |
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Arny Krueger
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:01 pm Post subject:
Re: C'mon guys, give us some recomendations |
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"John Richards" <jrichar3@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
| Quote: | I would rather not rely on a subwoofer as I have never
been able to blend one properly with small monitors or my
Magnapans. When I tried a Sunfire sub crossed over at 40
HZ with and without a a high pass on the magnapans, I
kept reducing the output of the sub until it no longer
mucked up the sound of the Magnapans. When I reached
that output level for the sub, I realized that the sub
was not generating any sound!
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Try a different crossover frequency, probably in this case a
higher one. Oh, and do try use the highpass filter on the
Magnepans.
Given all the things you did wrong John, your unsatisfactory
results are pretty predictable. |
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