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rapskat
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:02 pm Post subject:
Linux is an ideal platform for media playing and editing |
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Linux has come a long way for amateur media playing and editing. It
offers a stable and secure platform with a wealth of often *free* tools
and utilities to accomplish even the most demanding of tasks.
With Linux, you can play almost every media format known, encode to
various formats, rip DVD's and CD's, edit various media formats, Author
and Burn CDDA, CD, VCD and DVD, capture from various digital devices, as
well as do serving and hosting for same.
The media tools on Linux are highly configurable and scriptable, so you
can create your own scripts to accomplish common tasks just the way you
want.
In addition, Linux offers a low-cost, high quality, high performance
desktop for accomplishing various other common computing tasks. Linux
efficiently uses system resources so that even a system with modest specs
can be used to reliably accomplish heavy duty tasks, even simultaneously.
In addition, Linux is practically malware free and is not burdened by
restrictive licensing so you can use it however and whereever you like
legally. Of course Linux is a different platform, so some learning and
adjustment must be made to familiarize yourself to it, but overall it is
not very difficult to do so. There are plenty of manuals, help pages and
online resources to facilitate the acquisition.
If you are interested in trying it out without commiting yourself, there
are many Live Run distros that can be downloaded at no cost, and run
completely from CD without affecting your existing setup. Knoppix is one
such distro, and can be downloaded here along with other popular
versions...
http://www.linuxiso.org/
Happy Editing! :-)
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Rob Prowel
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:05 am Post subject:
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In article <pan.2004.11.25.19.22.30.919514@rapskat.com>,
rapskat <rapskat@yahoo.com> writes:
| Quote: | Linux has come a long way for amateur media playing and editing. It
offers a stable and secure platform with a wealth of often *free* tools
and utilities to accomplish even the most demanding of tasks.
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I admire your support but it isn't quite there yet. For instance,
where are the vast array of drivers for video capture cards that
contain proprietary interfaces? Right now I'm stuck using M$ to do
video capture because pinnacle won't release API information for their
products.
Also, yes, many free tools but many of them are buggy and the ones that
aren't buggy have lousy documentation.
It's getting there but until open-source developers become better at
self-policing their projects and more vendors release programming information
for their hardware it's still a moving target.
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:22:31 -0500, rapskat <rapskat@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Linux has come a long way for amateur media playing and editing.
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[snip]
....and still has a long, long way to go in doing things that Windows
does effortlessly.
I'm far from Bill Gates's biggest fan, but the truth is the truth.
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Jan Panteltje
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:03 pm Post subject:
Re: Linux is an ideal platform for media playing and editing |
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On a sunny day (Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:50:26 -0500) it happened bug
<bug@email.com> wrote in <avudq011oan0hilg9u5ocavlj7gmjge6t6@4ax.com>:
| Quote: | On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:22:31 -0500, rapskat <rapskat@yahoo.com> wrote:
Linux has come a long way for amateur media playing and editing.
[snip]
...and still has a long, long way to go in doing things that Windows
does effortlessly.
Some things windows does effortlesly is have you pay for updates, |
provide security holes, limit your rights,
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I'm far from Bill Gates's biggest fan, but the truth is the truth.
Yep, that is why I am no fan of Billy The Gates either. |
JP
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:07 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:42:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje <panteltje@yahoo.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | On a sunny day (Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:50:26 -0500) it happened bug
bug@email.com> wrote in <avudq011oan0hilg9u5ocavlj7gmjge6t6@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:22:31 -0500, rapskat <rapskat@yahoo.com> wrote:
Linux has come a long way for amateur media playing and editing.
[snip]
...and still has a long, long way to go in doing things that Windows
does effortlessly.
Some things windows does effortlesly is have you pay for updates,
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As I've never paid for *any* software, that's a moot point.
| Quote: | provide security holes,
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This depends on the software you install.
To wit, I don't browse the Web using "Internet Explorer". I use
Mozilla Firefox and Opera. I don't use "Outlook Express" to read and
download from Usenet newsgroups. I use "Agent" and "Xnews".
I think you get the picture. ;)
| Quote: | limit your rights,
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As I've mentioned I've never *paid* for software, you can infer that I
can reverse engineer almost anything.
And, believe me, I have! :)
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I'm far from Bill Gates's biggest fan, but the truth is the truth.
Yep, that is why I am no fan of Billy The Gates either.
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On this, we agree. :)
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JP
bug
really...
Running window?
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I've a dual-boot system: Linux and Windows.
I use the Windows operating system to do the 10% of things I can't do
in Linux.
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rapskat
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:06 am Post subject:
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Error log for Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:36:15 -0600: Rob Prowel caused a Page
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| Quote: | Linux has come a long way for amateur media playing and editing. It
offers a stable and secure platform with a wealth of often *free* tools
and utilities to accomplish even the most demanding of tasks.
I admire your support but it isn't quite there yet.
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It never will be quite "there", since "there" is not a static target.
However it has made some major advances in many areas, AV being one.
| Quote: | For instance, where are the vast array of drivers for video capture
cards that
contain proprietary interfaces? Right now I'm stuck using M$ to do
video capture because pinnacle won't release API information for their
products.
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Many vid capture cards are supported with later versions, including the
Pinnacle series. True, there are some that are not, but without knowing
the exact number and chipset of your model I couldn't tell you.
| Quote: | Also, yes, many free tools but many of them are buggy and the ones that
aren't buggy have lousy documentation.
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All software has bugs. I'm sure you'll agree that the applications
available for other platforms such as Windows have more than their fair
share of them.
The thing about Open Source Software is that bugs usually get fixed pronto
and new updates and features released on a regular basis. OSS advances
quickly, so what was an issue 6 months ago is no longer relevant with
current versions.
True, sometimes documentation is lacking or too "geeky" for some, however
there is a wealth of online resources with people like you and I asking
the same questions and getting useful answers.
| Quote: | It's getting there but until open-source developers become better at
self-policing their projects and more vendors release programming
information for their hardware it's still a moving target.
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All in all, I'd say Open source is better "policed" than many proprietary
applications. Which is why you just don't hear about new exploits being
released for it on almost a daily basis like you do with much Closed
Source Software.
Sorry to come off so defensive, my original post was not meant to be
inflammatory. I just wanted to remind people interested in amateur AV
that they do have viable options available to them.
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rapskat
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:06 am Post subject:
Re: Linux is an ideal platform for media playing and editing |
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Error log for Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:50:26 -0500: bug caused a Page Fault at
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| Quote: | ...and still has a long, long way to go in doing things that Windows
does effortlessly.
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Such as...?
| Quote: | I'm far from Bill Gates's biggest fan, but the truth is the truth.
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It is true there are some things that Windows has better support for than
Linux, and vice-versa. However, for most of the tasks that the average
user would want to do, Linux fits the bill.
The trap that alot of people fall into when comparing the two is
concentrating on the "means", instead of the "end". For example, a person
might see that MS Office isn't supported on Linux and therefore say,
"Well, Linux ain't for me because I *have* to have Word and Excel". But
what they don't consider is _why_ they need Word and Excel; and whether
there are equivalant applications on Linux that offer similar
functionality, which there definitely are (OpenOffice, KOffice, Hancom
Office, etc.)
The same applies to most other applications.
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Linux is an ideal platform for media playing and editing |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:31:20 -0500, rapskat <rapskat@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Error log for Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:50:26 -0500: bug caused a Page Fault at
address <avudq011oan0hilg9u5ocavlj7gmjge6t6@4ax.com>, details...
...and still has a long, long way to go in doing things that Windows
does effortlessly.
Such as...?
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Certain video encoding and editing-related tasks.
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I'm far from Bill Gates's biggest fan, but the truth is the truth.
It is true there are some things that Windows has better support for than
Linux, and vice-versa. However, for most of the tasks that the average
user would want to do, Linux fits the bill.
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That's like saying sucralose is pretty close to sugar and therefore
fits the bill.
'Taint necessarily so.
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The trap that alot of people fall into when comparing the two is
concentrating on the "means", instead of the "end". For example, a person
might see that MS Office isn't supported on Linux and therefore say,
"Well, Linux ain't for me because I *have* to have Word and Excel".
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Only a complete I-know-nothing-about-computers idiot would say such a
thing.
| Quote: | But
what they don't consider is _why_ they need Word and Excel; and whether
there are equivalant applications on Linux that offer similar
functionality, which there definitely are (OpenOffice, KOffice, Hancom
Office, etc.)
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Though I have used such apps, I must admit that they can be as slow as
a tortoise in startup and operation.
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The same applies to most other applications.
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The same applies to other operating systems.
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Jan Panteltje
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Sun Nov 28, 2004 6:04 pm Post subject:
Re: Linux is an ideal platform for media playing and editing |
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On a sunny day (Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:26:07 -0500) it happened bug
<bug@email.com> wrote in <ugagq0l1qli5cfrbrd8ss85f767himnmro@4ax.com>:
| Quote: | On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:31:20 -0500, rapskat <rapskat@yahoo.com> wrote:
Error log for Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:50:26 -0500: bug caused a Page Fault at
address <avudq011oan0hilg9u5ocavlj7gmjge6t6@4ax.com>, details...
...and still has a long, long way to go in doing things that Windows
does effortlessly.
Such as...?
Certain video encoding and editing-related tasks.
Could you name ONE please? |
I am interested in this as I sort of write apps for it in Linux.
And yes (regarding your other mail) I use dual boot too, use the best of both
worlds.
But the 'other OS' is just win 98SE in my case.
Still, the following runs fine in wine (Linux windows emulator),
virtualdub, womble mpeg editor, PVAstrumento, etc.., man even DVD-Lab pro
demo I had up in wine!
But for DVD my own soft is better IMHO:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/dvd/
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/subtitles/
One lack of MS stuff is lack of scriptability, scripts (bash), allow you
to keep original source of programs and the scripts, to make your production.
If I need an other copy, I load the originals, run the scrips(s), burn the
disk(s) and that is it.
All that GUI stuff; you never get the same thing twice, unless you save the
result, not a very economical way to do things.
And harldly repeatable if you want to use the same settings for something else.
And, considering MS business practices (they recently bought people at Sun,
some other companies), I call this 'bribe' people, to drop charges in the EU
against MS, they payed as much as 20 million $ to some group to get these on
their side, the financing of the SCO scam, it is about money and power, not
quality.
Then there is the patent scam to get hold of Linux by trying to get European
software patents, MS has patented thousands of things in the US last few years,
some they simply copied (say stole) from open source (say Linux), soem are so
obvious they should never have gotten a patent.
Best thing would be a nuke on Redmond, it would benefit everyone, except MS.
Other useful things could be: big comet, earthquake, dollar going to zero,
Bush converts to communism, Billy Graham uses Linux.
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Jan Panteltje
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:11 am Post subject:
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On a sunny day (Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:36:49 -0500) it happened bug
<bug@email.com> wrote in <idkkq090d7trbvk17sja61mldrmd0a4qq9@4ax.com>:
| Quote: | Certain video encoding and editing-related tasks.
Could you name ONE please?
I am interested in this as I sort of write apps for it in Linux.
Well, off the top of my head, I want a native Linux app akin to
Virtualdub.
Yes virtualdub (and its filters) is a most useful application. |
You probably know it is open source, and I have looked at the code a bit.
The interesting thing is the random access slider that allows you to set
start and end point...
After looking at all that, I wrote 'subtitler' for transcode.
As I tried to explain, in some cases this vdub simply did not do it for me.
For example if you want frame accurate AVI editing with transient effects,
subtitles mixed in, and color correction, I can do that with subtitler-yuv,
first run it with frame counter, (or get the time and calculate the frames
with mplayer or xine), then run subtitler-yuv from a script.
Had it running at nights with 2 pass DivX from scripts many times to
add embedded subs (that come out a lot nicer and exactly the way you want to).
So the slider was not a real need for me.....
There are plenty of avi cut and paste programs I think, but that is not the
way I do it.
In the latest subtitler-yuv you can use the skip command to cut out sections..
Thought about porting vdub to Linux, but since it runs in wine why bother.
You probably know about transcode, it will convert anything to anything almost.
And ffmpeg.
What I would like to see is a good mpeg2 editor that does only encode the
frame sequence where the cut is (if needed).
So fast.
Lve is OK, but I had to change things, and it is not frame accurate IIRC.
The other thing is VOIP, I can do computer to phone with net2phone in Win98,
but there is nothing that works here in (my version of) Linux.
VOIP is the future.
Sure it will be there for Linux, perhaps from some other company.
Wine is a great way to not have to reboot, so many programs run in it, for
me especially technical programs.
Big problem used to be home-banking, but now that is all internet based and
works great in Linux.
I hardly use windows anymore at all.
So, what it comes down to, is that there really is NO need for a commercial
soft like MS, their whole plot of integrating the apps with the OS is daft
from the beginning.
Unix was there way before Billy The Gates even started tinkering with BASIC.
I was using PDP11 in 1978 or 1979 already,
Billy came later, and played the commercial game well.
But also trapped himself with that system.
Now computers get more and more powerful (the hardware), and Unix is the only
way to control and get the maximum out of it.
It is just a very pleasant system to program for, in almost any language, and
the open source philosophy guarantees a wide pool of knowledge and ideas
are at the basis of the programs.
A LOT of choice, for a very low price.
The price sets the choice you see, if you have 200$ to spend, and buy xxx MS
application, then you are stuck with that, if it works to your liking or not.
In Linux you type app name in google and try the next one.
So thousands of $ worth of tools for free.
Some from universities, very high quality stuff often.
OK, no end to it it seems.
But it does help if you can program, and add your own ideas to the pool, and
make your own modifications.
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:30:50 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On a sunny day (Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:26:07 -0500) it happened bug
bug@email.com> wrote in <ugagq0l1qli5cfrbrd8ss85f767himnmro@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:31:20 -0500, rapskat <rapskat@yahoo.com> wrote:
Error log for Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:50:26 -0500: bug caused a Page Fault at
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...and still has a long, long way to go in doing things that Windows
does effortlessly.
Such as...?
Certain video encoding and editing-related tasks.
Could you name ONE please?
I am interested in this as I sort of write apps for it in Linux.
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Well, off the top of my head, I want a native Linux app akin to
Virtualdub.
Sure, I can run it under Wine, but I'd prefer a native linux app.
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And yes (regarding your other mail) I use dual boot too, use the best of both
worlds.
But the 'other OS' is just win 98SE in my case.
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Yep, same here.
| Quote: | Still, the following runs fine in wine (Linux windows emulator),
virtualdub, womble mpeg editor, PVAstrumento, etc.., man even DVD-Lab pro
demo I had up in wine!
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I suppose it's okay to use Wine, but if I'm going to use Linux, I
prefer to use *native* Linux apps.
This is simply my personal preference.
I'll certain give your apps a try. :)
| Quote: | One lack of MS stuff is lack of scriptability, scripts (bash), allow you
to keep original source of programs and the scripts, to make your production.
If I need an other copy, I load the originals, run the scrips(s), burn the
disk(s) and that is it.
All that GUI stuff; you never get the same thing twice, unless you save the
result, not a very economical way to do things.
And harldly repeatable if you want to use the same settings for something else.
And, considering MS business practices (they recently bought people at Sun,
some other companies), I call this 'bribe' people, to drop charges in the EU
against MS, they payed as much as 20 million $ to some group to get these on
their side, the financing of the SCO scam, it is about money and power, not
quality.
Then there is the patent scam to get hold of Linux by trying to get European
software patents, MS has patented thousands of things in the US last few years,
some they simply copied (say stole) from open source (say Linux), soem are so
obvious they should never have gotten a patent.
Best thing would be a nuke on Redmond, it would benefit everyone, except MS.
Other useful things could be: big comet, earthquake, dollar going to zero,
Bush converts to communism, Billy Graham uses Linux.
Oh forgot sudden climate change, penguins will walk all over Redmond.
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I'm very much aware of everything you've written concerning Microsoft
and the only thing that I can do about it is to use Windows only when
I have to.
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On a sunny day (Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:12:15 -0500) it happened rapskat
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Cool, I've give these a try out. Thanks! :-)
These GPL?
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address <idkkq090d7trbvk17sja61mldrmd0a4qq9@4ax.com>, details...
| Quote: | ...and still has a long, long way to go in doing things that Windows
does effortlessly.
Such as...?
Certain video encoding and editing-related tasks.
Could you name ONE please?
I am interested in this as I sort of write apps for it in Linux.
Well, off the top of my head, I want a native Linux app akin to
Virtualdub.
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There is LiVES, very much like VirtualDub (matter of fact, I think they
share some developers).
http://www.xs4all.nl/~salsaman/lives/
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Neal
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Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:03 pm Post subject:
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bug wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:22:31 -0500, rapskat <rapskat@yahoo.com> wrote:
Linux has come a long way for amateur media playing and editing.
[snip]
...and still has a long, long way to go in doing things that Windows
does effortlessly.
I'm far from Bill Gates's biggest fan, but the truth is the truth.
bug
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A better alternative is Macs. With it's UNIX core, it has the stability
of Linux and there is also the support of a large open source community.
Plus a wide variety of software from beginners level (iMovie) to
professional level (Final Cut Pro). |
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