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Scooby
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:26 pm Post subject:
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I saw a directv ad on tv the other day for the directv dvr. Interesting
thing was that the OSD did not look like tivo. Also, the remote did not
look like a tivo remote. Anybody know what this is about?
My understanding is that the new directv dvr is not out yet and this didn't
seem like an ad for what is yet to come, but rather "Order one today".
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Plywodstatebum
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:52 pm Post subject:
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The D* DVR is not out for sale yet, but they are starting to install
them in the top 12 markets this month and next month.
The new HD DVR won't be out till the summer
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject:
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I noticed those commercials too and was concerned.. A new un-tivo DVR.
It's a shame, if DirecTV ever drops tivo I'll ditch them in about 2
seconds. I checked out the alternatives when my dtivo unit took a dump
this summer. Even though I could have gotten sweet deals from dish or
the cable company I stuck with dtivo for the TIVO! The tivo is the
only reason they are my provider.
I'd rather have tivo than directv any day...
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Plywodstatebum
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject:
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Well at least we can wait and see what the people in Detroit have to say
about the new unit, they are suppose to be testing them there this
month, I've had TIVO since 98 and they will have to pry the 4 I have
out of my dead cold hands.
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Tony D.
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject:
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roccoletterfan@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | I noticed those commercials too and was concerned.. A new un-tivo DVR.
It's a shame, if DirecTV ever drops tivo I'll ditch them in about 2
seconds.
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Where have you been? They've already dropped them. Direct has not
renewed the contract with Tivo and will replace them with their own
units sourced from the UK. I believe they are obligated to provide
support through 2006.
When the units are shipping in quantity, I'll wager they will offer
sweetheart deals to get people to switch over. |
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Randy S.
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject:
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Tony D. wrote:
| Quote: | roccoletterfan@hotmail.com wrote:
I noticed those commercials too and was concerned.. A new un-tivo DVR.
It's a shame, if DirecTV ever drops tivo I'll ditch them in about 2
seconds.
Where have you been? They've already dropped them. Direct has not
renewed the contract with Tivo and will replace them with their own
units sourced from the UK. I believe they are obligated to provide
support through 2006.
When the units are shipping in quantity, I'll wager they will offer
sweetheart deals to get people to switch over.
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Please don't spread FUD. They haven't *dropped* them. They *have*
dropped the *exclusivity* of the Directivo, and will now have more than
one type available (eventually). Support for the Directivo won't be
ending anytime soon. There will be a limitation that the Directivo's
won't be able to receive MPEG4-only stations, but they will continue to
be abe to receive all current stations. Nobody knows (probably not even
Directv, I'd imagine they want to keep their options open) the long term
support situation between Tivo and DTV.
Your last paragraph is probably correct though. I expect some
resistance ;-). Unless they offer some *damn* good programming on those
MPEG4 stations.
Randy S. |
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MegaZone
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:11 am Post subject:
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"Randy S." <rswitt@NOSPAM.com> shaped the electrons to say:
| Quote: | Heh, I figured that the new unit would be able to display the new MPEG4
stations. What's the point of releasing a new box at this late date
that isn't compatible with the new channels? Are the new channels HD
only? I sense a marketing screwup here. What selling point does the
new box have? Lower initial cost? Surely that can't be the *only* thing?
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MPEG4 is for HD channels only, they're keeping SD as MPEG2 - they have
to, for compatibility with the ~14 million subscribers in the field
today.
The new box adds some features the TiVo doesn't have - like
psedo-VOD. The box has a 160GB drive - 60GB is reserved for DirecTV's
use, 100GB for user recordings. DTV will use their space to pre-load
movies, etc, onto the unit. Then when the user wants to view 'VOD'
they can select from any of the pre-loaded content with no delay.
Basically, since satellite can't readily do VOD from a central server
like cable, it is a way to do something similar.
Since DTV and NDS are both owned by News Corp, they're also not having
to pay TiVo the $1.13 a month per user on the new boxes. And they get
total control over the software.
The selling point is simple - if is what you'll get, period. If you
call up DirecTV and order a DVR, you get the new box. They will no
longer be telling anyone TiVo is available. If you know about TiVo
and deliberately ask for one, they you can get one - but you can be
sure they will try hard to convince you to take their box.
Why do you think they started purging 'TiVo' from things a while back?
They've been very strict about officially calling the DirecTiVo the
DirecTV DVR and have avoided mentions of 'TiVo' for a while. That's
also why they killed all the different brands of receivers and
everything is 'DirecTV' brand now.
-MZ
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MegaZone
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:51 am Post subject:
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"Randy S." <rswitt@NOSPAM.com> shaped the electrons to say:
| Quote: | It isn't necessarily an either/or proposition. Comcast's boxes will
evenutally be Tivo-associated units, and at least one other cable
company has made the same decisions. Cablecard Tivo units will work
with any digital cable system, assuming Cable companies don't manage to
defeat the cablecard initiative (seems unlikely right now, but they're
still trying!). If there was a cablecard HD dual tuner Tivo available
now, I'd imagine there'd be a line to purchase them.
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The cable companies are not opposed to CableCARD itself. What they've
opposed is being required to use ONLY CableCARD. In other words, all
cable set top boxes, etc, would all need a CableCARD. It couldn't be
built into the box. Consumer electronics vendors (and consumers) want
that because it forces the cable companies to use CableCARD for
everything, so they can't do something new and require a non-CC box to
use it. They did manage to delay the deadline a year, but it is
unlikely they'd be able to stop it entirely.
The CableCARD TiVo is still on the path for mid-2006. And about that
time is also when the Comcast software should be out. Since that will
run on the Motorola 6214 platform, it would be easily available to
other cable operators using that platform, or similar Motorola boxes.
Of course, if TiVo wins their lawsuit against Echostar and all gets to
collect fees from other DVRs, it would encourage more people to just
license the TiVo software.
-MZ
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"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
<URL:http://www.megazone.org/> <URL:http://www.eyrie-productions.com/> Eris |
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Fred Bloggs
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:52 am Post subject:
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"Randy S." <rswitt@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Tony D. wrote:
roccoletterfan@hotmail.com wrote:
I noticed those commercials too and was concerned.. A new un-tivo DVR.
It's a shame, if DirecTV ever drops tivo I'll ditch them in about 2
seconds.
Where have you been? They've already dropped them. Direct has not renewed
the contract with Tivo and will replace them with their own units sourced
from the UK. I believe they are obligated to provide support through
2006.
When the units are shipping in quantity, I'll wager they will offer
sweetheart deals to get people to switch over.
Please don't spread FUD. They haven't *dropped* them. They *have*
dropped the *exclusivity* of the Directivo, and will now have more than
one type available (eventually). Support for the Directivo won't be
ending anytime soon. There will be a limitation that the Directivo's
won't be able to receive MPEG4-only stations, but they will continue to be
abe to receive all current stations. Nobody knows (probably not even
Directv, I'd imagine they want to keep their options open) the long term
support situation between Tivo and DTV.
Your last paragraph is probably correct though. I expect some resistance
;-). Unless they offer some *damn* good programming on those MPEG4
stations.
Randy S.
The MPEG4 stations will probably be all of the HD programming that we really |
watch. The local networks and the regional sports channels for example. I am
also wondering when channels like FX are going to be available in HD, and
whether they will come in on the old birds or the new (getting rid of the
east/west HD feeds of the networks would free up space). It is so annoying
to watch hockey in SD while the announcers are telling us how this is the
first time they have transmitted in HD (but only to cable customers!). |
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Randy S.
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:04 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Your last paragraph is probably correct though. I expect some resistance
;-). Unless they offer some *damn* good programming on those MPEG4
stations.
Randy S.
The MPEG4 stations will probably be all of the HD programming that we really
watch. The local networks and the regional sports channels for example. I am
also wondering when channels like FX are going to be available in HD, and
whether they will come in on the old birds or the new (getting rid of the
east/west HD feeds of the networks would free up space). It is so annoying
to watch hockey in SD while the announcers are telling us how this is the
first time they have transmitted in HD (but only to cable customers!).
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It is certainly feasible that the new MPEG4 stations will carry
attractive content as you note. This *would* be a powerful incentive to
get one of their new boxes. I bet a lot of folks would hold onto their
old Directivo's as well. I could see having a Directivo box for SD
programming, and the D* box for HD.
Randy S. |
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Jeff Rife
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:11 am Post subject:
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Randy S. (rswitt@nospam.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
| Quote: | There will be a limitation that the Directivo's
won't be able to receive MPEG4-only stations, but they will continue to
be abe to receive all current stations.
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Of course, this limitation will exist for the non-TiVo DirecTV DVR as well.
The HD version will be able to decode MPEG-4, but that unit is still well
off the radar.
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Randy S.
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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Jeff Rife wrote:
| Quote: | Randy S. (rswitt@nospam.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
There will be a limitation that the Directivo's
won't be able to receive MPEG4-only stations, but they will continue to
be abe to receive all current stations.
Of course, this limitation will exist for the non-TiVo DirecTV DVR as well.
The HD version will be able to decode MPEG-4, but that unit is still well
off the radar.
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Heh, I figured that the new unit would be able to display the new MPEG4
stations. What's the point of releasing a new box at this late date
that isn't compatible with the new channels? Are the new channels HD
only? I sense a marketing screwup here. What selling point does the
new box have? Lower initial cost? Surely that can't be the *only* thing?
Randy S. |
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Randy S.
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | We all say that they will need to pry the TiVo out of our cold dead hands,
but at the end of the day none of us will follow through! At some point in
time, we will want access to the channels and features on the new DTV or
cable DVRs, which will be priced attractively and have enough functionality.
Then the TiVo will join the betamax and the Atari in the garage.
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It isn't necessarily an either/or proposition. Comcast's boxes will
evenutally be Tivo-associated units, and at least one other cable
company has made the same decisions. Cablecard Tivo units will work
with any digital cable system, assuming Cable companies don't manage to
defeat the cablecard initiative (seems unlikely right now, but they're
still trying!). If there was a cablecard HD dual tuner Tivo available
now, I'd imagine there'd be a line to purchase them.
Randy S. |
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Fred Bloggs
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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"Randy S." <rswitt@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:dipg9m$3k0g$2@usenet.osg.ufl.edu...
| Quote: | Jeff Rife wrote:
Randy S. (rswitt@nospam.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
There will be a limitation that the Directivo's
won't be able to receive MPEG4-only stations, but they will continue to
be abe to receive all current stations.
Of course, this limitation will exist for the non-TiVo DirecTV DVR as
well.
The HD version will be able to decode MPEG-4, but that unit is still well
off the radar.
Heh, I figured that the new unit would be able to display the new MPEG4
stations. What's the point of releasing a new box at this late date that
isn't compatible with the new channels? Are the new channels HD only? I
sense a marketing screwup here. What selling point does the new box have?
Lower initial cost? Surely that can't be the *only* thing?
Randy S.
This whole HDTV/MPEG4 is screwed up. The HD TiVo's came out last summer, at |
that time DTV were well into the process of launching the new satellites,
so, they knew that MPEG4 was going to be required. TiVo could have designed
the box to be MPEG4 ready (either with a small HW upgrade or a software
patch).
It seems from previous postings that the next DVR from DTV is not HD, we
will need to wait a while for the HD DVR.
We all say that they will need to pry the TiVo out of our cold dead hands,
but at the end of the day none of us will follow through! At some point in
time, we will want access to the channels and features on the new DTV or
cable DVRs, which will be priced attractively and have enough functionality.
Then the TiVo will join the betamax and the Atari in the garage. |
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MegaZone
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:30 am Post subject:
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Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> shaped the electrons to say:
| Quote: | One last thing is that I'll bet that there won't be any way to upgrade
the hard drive.
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Hackers will probably figure it out in time. But certainly not when
they first ship.
-MZ
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"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
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