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Lansworth
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:25 am Post subject:
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I couldn't phrase it better than what I put in my subject line, so I
won't: SVHS -- Apparently Kicks VHS's butt, but how does it compare to
others? I am aware it doesn't live up to formats like DVCAM, DVCPRO,
etc. (thats a given), but does it produce a fairly decent image? I have
heard it does have a fair amount of resolution, at about 400. Not
excellent, but better than VHS. Thoughts? I want to hear what you have
to say.
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Gary Eickmeier
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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Lansworth wrote:
| Quote: | I couldn't phrase it better than what I put in my subject line, so I
won't: SVHS -- Apparently Kicks VHS's butt, but how does it compare to
others? I am aware it doesn't live up to formats like DVCAM, DVCPRO,
etc. (thats a given), but does it produce a fairly decent image? I have
heard it does have a fair amount of resolution, at about 400. Not
excellent, but better than VHS. Thoughts? I want to hear what you have
to say.
Why are you interested in SVHS? |
Gary Eickmeier |
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ushere
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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"Bob Ford" <imagesinmotion@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:33:54 GMT, "ushere"
kaywand@REMoVEaBUSebigpond.com> wrote:
ford mustang kick butt in it's day too.
now it's a collectors item, just like svhs....
Really now, well I just happen to have a 1965 Mustang GT that can
still kick butt on a lot of these rice burners and beamers ;-^)
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oh i agree!!! and much nice lines too...
just like a good svhs vtr, looks professional, is solidly built and
generally, very reliable. hell, i had one in my rack untill a year or so
ago. impressed the clients with multi-format capabilities, though i hadn't
used it since (almost) the advent of dv...
leslie
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Lansworth wrote:
I couldn't phrase it better than what I put in my subject line, so I
won't: SVHS -- Apparently Kicks VHS's butt, but how does it compare to
others? I am aware it doesn't live up to formats like DVCAM, DVCPRO,
etc. (thats a given), but does it produce a fairly decent image? I have
heard it does have a fair amount of resolution, at about 400. Not
excellent, but better than VHS. Thoughts? I want to hear what you have
to say.
Why are you interested in SVHS?
Gary Eickmeier
Bob Ford
Images In Motion
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Bob Ford
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:33:54 GMT, "ushere"
<kaywand@REMoVEaBUSebigpond.com> wrote:
| Quote: | ford mustang kick butt in it's day too.
now it's a collectors item, just like svhs....
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Really now, well I just happen to have a 1965 Mustang GT that can
still kick butt on a lot of these rice burners and beamers ;-^)
| Quote: | leslie
"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Lansworth wrote:
I couldn't phrase it better than what I put in my subject line, so I
won't: SVHS -- Apparently Kicks VHS's butt, but how does it compare to
others? I am aware it doesn't live up to formats like DVCAM, DVCPRO,
etc. (thats a given), but does it produce a fairly decent image? I have
heard it does have a fair amount of resolution, at about 400. Not
excellent, but better than VHS. Thoughts? I want to hear what you have
to say.
Why are you interested in SVHS?
Gary Eickmeier
Bob Ford |
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ushere
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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ford mustang kick butt in it's day too.
now it's a collectors item, just like svhs....
leslie
"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Lansworth wrote:
I couldn't phrase it better than what I put in my subject line, so I
won't: SVHS -- Apparently Kicks VHS's butt, but how does it compare to
others? I am aware it doesn't live up to formats like DVCAM, DVCPRO,
etc. (thats a given), but does it produce a fairly decent image? I have
heard it does have a fair amount of resolution, at about 400. Not
excellent, but better than VHS. Thoughts? I want to hear what you have
to say.
Why are you interested in SVHS?
Gary Eickmeier |
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Richard Crowley
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:03 am Post subject:
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"Lansworth" wrote ...
| Quote: | I couldn't phrase it better than what I put in my subject line, so I
won't: SVHS -- Apparently Kicks VHS's butt, but how does it compare to
others? I am aware it doesn't live up to formats like DVCAM, DVCPRO,
etc. (thats a given), but does it produce a fairly decent image? I
have
heard it does have a fair amount of resolution, at about 400. Not
excellent, but better than VHS. Thoughts? I want to hear what you have
to say.
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Somewhere out there on the WWW is hierarchical rank-
list of most all video formats you've ever heard of. In order
of quality. But I can't find my link to it, and I can't come up
with the right key words for a Google search to find it. :-(
S-VHS is indeed better than VHS, but not likely better than
DV. It wouldn't surprise me if S-VHS was better than MPEG2
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Mike Kujbida
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:51 am Post subject:
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Richard Crowley wrote:
| Quote: | "Lansworth" wrote ...
I couldn't phrase it better than what I put in my subject line, so I
won't: SVHS -- Apparently Kicks VHS's butt, but how does it compare
to others? I am aware it doesn't live up to formats like DVCAM,
DVCPRO, etc. (thats a given), but does it produce a fairly decent
image? I have
heard it does have a fair amount of resolution, at about 400. Not
excellent, but better than VHS. Thoughts? I want to hear what you
have to say.
Somewhere out there on the WWW is hierarchical rank-
list of most all video formats you've ever heard of. In order
of quality. But I can't find my link to it, and I can't come up
with the right key words for a Google search to find it. :-(
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Maybe http://adamwilt.com/DV-FAQ-tech.html
"How good are the DV formats compared to other formats?"
(4th heading down on this page.
| Quote: | S-VHS is indeed better than VHS, but not likely better than
DV. It wouldn't surprise me if S-VHS was better than MPEG2
(DVD quality).
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With a decent 3-chip camera, I'd be very surprised if this were the case.
In theory, DVD is capable of more resolution (500 lines?) than SVHS.
Mike |
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Gary Eickmeier
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:05 pm Post subject:
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Bob Ford wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:33:54 GMT, "ushere"
kaywand@REMoVEaBUSebigpond.com> wrote:
ford mustang kick butt in it's day too.
now it's a collectors item, just like svhs....
Really now, well I just happen to have a 1965 Mustang GT that can
still kick butt on a lot of these rice burners and beamers ;-^)
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Really? Mine is a '65 convertible, built in July of 64. Need to sell it.
Gary Eickmeier |
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Bob Ford
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:05:19 GMT, Gary Eickmeier
<geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
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Bob Ford wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:33:54 GMT, "ushere"
kaywand@REMoVEaBUSebigpond.com> wrote:
ford mustang kick butt in it's day too.
now it's a collectors item, just like svhs....
Really now, well I just happen to have a 1965 Mustang GT that can
still kick butt on a lot of these rice burners and beamers ;-^)
Really? Mine is a '65 convertible, built in July of 64. Need to sell it.
Gary Eickmeier
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Mine was built in mid 1965 so it is a real GT coupe.
Have you checked them on eBay? Convertibles bring big $$$.
Bob Ford
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MediaBLITZ
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject:
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VHS/8mm - 240+- res
SVHS/Hi8 - 425+- res
DV - 500 + res
"Lansworth" <ptlansworth@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I couldn't phrase it better than what I put in my subject line, so I
won't: SVHS -- Apparently Kicks VHS's butt, but how does it compare to
others? I am aware it doesn't live up to formats like DVCAM, DVCPRO,
etc. (thats a given), but does it produce a fairly decent image? I have
heard it does have a fair amount of resolution, at about 400. Not
excellent, but better than VHS. Thoughts? I want to hear what you have
to say.
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Jona Vark
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject:
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"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Bob Ford wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:33:54 GMT, "ushere"
kaywand@REMoVEaBUSebigpond.com> wrote:
ford mustang kick butt in it's day too.
now it's a collectors item, just like svhs....
Really now, well I just happen to have a 1965 Mustang GT that can
still kick butt on a lot of these rice burners and beamers ;-^)
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Up to the first corner maybe!
(nsx owner)
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Really? Mine is a '65 convertible, built in July of 64. Need to sell it.
Gary Eickmeier |
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John S. Dyson
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:33 pm Post subject:
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In article <1129245906.060365.30090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Lansworth" <ptlansworth@gmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | I couldn't phrase it better than what I put in my subject line, so I
won't: SVHS -- Apparently Kicks VHS's butt, but how does it compare to
others? I am aware it doesn't live up to formats like DVCAM, DVCPRO,
etc. (thats a given), but does it produce a fairly decent image? I have
heard it does have a fair amount of resolution, at about 400. Not
excellent, but better than VHS. Thoughts? I want to hear what you have
to say.
When comparing FORMATS it is important to also consider the |
actual machine. I believe this to be especially true for the
consumer analog format SVHS.
Resolution isn't really the most important parameter of a recording
format. Alot of tradeoffs come along with resolution. For formats
like SVHS/VHS/etc, IMO the biggest gotcha is chroma performance of all
kinds.
Another big difference is the multi-generational performance. SVHS
doesnt' seem to hold up for very many generations, but D9 (a DV50
format) really does look about as good as BetaCamSP after more
than several generations. After several generations, SVHS will tend
to start looking 'not very good.' (I ran some tests on D9, where
I did 10 record/playback cycles through the component I/O ports, and
it stilly looked very good -- far beyond SVHS for the first generation.)
For an 'interesting' time, record a multi-burst on an SVHS deck, and
play it back without 3D noise reduction (but certainly with TBC enabled.)
You might notice defects in the high frequency reproduction. For
normal DV, you'll notice rock-solid reproduction. Then, make a third
generation copy of that multi-burst (using the appropriate copy settings
on the SVHS VCR), using SVideo I/O for both DV and SVHS. The comparison might
be interesting. For a stationary pattern, DV25 and DVHS will likely perform
similarly, while SVHS will tend (depending upon the deck) to look worse
than the original. Disclaimer: MULTIBURST is not a difficult test for
the typical digital formats like DV25 or DVHS MPEG. Movement (mostly
MPEG) or irregular detail are more difficult for those formats.
Given that comparison, then note that DV25 (normal DV) tends to be on the
low end of the SDTV quality scale -- but still pretty good. Formats
like DigiBeta will start diminishing to DV25 quality after 5-10record/playback
generations. (i.e. the fifth copy of a copy of a copy of a copy, etc.)
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Carl Zwanzig
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject:
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Bob Ford <imagesinmotion@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:33:54 GMT, "ushere"
ford mustang kick butt in it's day too.
Really now, well I just happen to have a 1965 Mustang GT that can
still kick butt on a lot of these rice burners and beamers ;-^)
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Depends on how many wheels those rice burners and beamers have :-).
I suspect that there are quite a few 2-wheeled jobs that would leave
mustang behind. And a triumph or two, too.
But the'95 mustang is still a nice car.
z!
'04 triumph daytona 600 & '97 yamahahah yzf600
oh, and a bvp-30 with unburned tubes :-) |
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Larry J.
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:05 am Post subject:
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Waiving the right to remain silent, Gary Eickmeier
<geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> said:
| Quote: | Bob Ford wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:33:54 GMT, "ushere"
kaywand@REMoVEaBUSebigpond.com> wrote:
ford mustang kick butt in it's day too.
now it's a collectors item, just like svhs....
Really now, well I just happen to have a 1965 Mustang GT that
can still kick butt on a lot of these rice burners and beamers
;-^)
Really? Mine is a '65 convertible, built in July of 64. Need to
sell it.
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Should be worth plenty. Where is it..?
--
Larry Jandro
Video Engineering & Equipment Rentals
Scottsdale, Arizona, USA
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Bob Ford
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:23:55 GMT, "Jona Vark" <noemail@all.com> wrote:
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"Gary Eickmeier" <geickmei@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Bob Ford wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:33:54 GMT, "ushere"
kaywand@REMoVEaBUSebigpond.com> wrote:
ford mustang kick butt in it's day too.
now it's a collectors item, just like svhs....
Really now, well I just happen to have a 1965 Mustang GT that can
still kick butt on a lot of these rice burners and beamers ;-^)
Up to the first corner maybe!
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Like you would know:-)
Bring your nsx and pink on up to the bay area, I'll be waiting!
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(nsx owner)
Really? Mine is a '65 convertible, built in July of 64. Need to sell it.
Gary Eickmeier
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