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AtomicBob
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:02 pm Post subject:
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I have a set-top DVD recorder (Cyberhome DVR-1600) that once in awhile,
when hitting stop at the end of a recording, fails to finish the file
and declares the disk (DVD+RW in this case) to be no good.
This happened to a TV episode I have wanted to capture for a long time
(stupid of me to not concurrently VCR it, I know). The 1600 recorded
the whole 2 hours (in a 3-hour quality mode), but when I hit Stop maybe
5 minutes after the show was over (I like some padding), the recorder
made some drive access noises and then declared the recroding a
failure. But when you look at the disc, you can "see" where the data
was written, and this makes me think that somehow, with the right
tools, the .VOB file might be somehow recoverable. When I put the disc
into my external DVD writer on the computer, it sees nothing, no matter
whether I hook it up to a windows or MacOS machine. But then I haven't
tried any particular file-recovery tools on it.
I'm not gonna erase the DVD+RW until I have exhausted all avenues.
Any ideas if this is possible, and if so, what's the best tool to use?
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BigJIm
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject:
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you cant keep using the rw over and over it will wear out
"AtomicBob" <robert.westbrook@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I have a set-top DVD recorder (Cyberhome DVR-1600) that once in awhile,
when hitting stop at the end of a recording, fails to finish the file
and declares the disk (DVD+RW in this case) to be no good.
This happened to a TV episode I have wanted to capture for a long time
(stupid of me to not concurrently VCR it, I know). The 1600 recorded
the whole 2 hours (in a 3-hour quality mode), but when I hit Stop maybe
5 minutes after the show was over (I like some padding), the recorder
made some drive access noises and then declared the recroding a
failure. But when you look at the disc, you can "see" where the data
was written, and this makes me think that somehow, with the right
tools, the .VOB file might be somehow recoverable. When I put the disc
into my external DVD writer on the computer, it sees nothing, no matter
whether I hook it up to a windows or MacOS machine. But then I haven't
tried any particular file-recovery tools on it.
I'm not gonna erase the DVD+RW until I have exhausted all avenues.
Any ideas if this is possible, and if so, what's the best tool to use?
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Bob
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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On 13 Oct 2005 06:02:10 -0700, "AtomicBob"
<robert.westbrook@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I have a set-top DVD recorder (Cyberhome DVR-1600) that once in awhile,
when hitting stop at the end of a recording, fails to finish the file
and declares the disk (DVD+RW in this case) to be no good.
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I also have an Ilo DVDR05, which is WalMart's store brand for the
CyberHome 1600. I had similar problems which I seem to have fixed with
a firmware upgrade.
Tech support recommends that you call them to walk you thru the
upgrade the first time. There are important details that were left out
on the scant instructions on upgrading firmware. |
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Bob
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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On 13 Oct 2005 06:02:10 -0700, "AtomicBob"
<robert.westbrook@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I have a set-top DVD recorder (Cyberhome DVR-1600) that once in awhile,
when hitting stop at the end of a recording, fails to finish the file
and declares the disk (DVD+RW in this case) to be no good.
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Another thing I discovered is that I have to "format" new DVDR +RW
discs by doing a full-erase with DVD Decrypter (Nero 6 has a bug that
causes it to fail a full-erase). Then the discs works properly time
and again. This is before I upgraded the f/w, which leads me to
believe it is a generic problem with eraseable media. |
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Bob
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:47:10 -0400, "BigJIm" <woody10277@hotmail.com>
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| Quote: | you cant keep using the rw over and over it will wear out
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Just what you would expect to read from a hotmail top-poster.
Don't listen to him. You can erase a DVD +RW a thousand times.
You will wear the DVDR out before you wear out 5 DVD +RW discs.
| Quote: | "AtomicBob" <robert.westbrook@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129207795.701253.316720@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I have a set-top DVD recorder (Cyberhome DVR-1600) that once in awhile,
when hitting stop at the end of a recording, fails to finish the file
and declares the disk (DVD+RW in this case) to be no good.
This happened to a TV episode I have wanted to capture for a long time
(stupid of me to not concurrently VCR it, I know). The 1600 recorded
the whole 2 hours (in a 3-hour quality mode), but when I hit Stop maybe
5 minutes after the show was over (I like some padding), the recorder
made some drive access noises and then declared the recroding a
failure. But when you look at the disc, you can "see" where the data
was written, and this makes me think that somehow, with the right
tools, the .VOB file might be somehow recoverable. When I put the disc
into my external DVD writer on the computer, it sees nothing, no matter
whether I hook it up to a windows or MacOS machine. But then I haven't
tried any particular file-recovery tools on it.
I'm not gonna erase the DVD+RW until I have exhausted all avenues.
Any ideas if this is possible, and if so, what's the best tool to use?
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Serial # 19781010
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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On 13 Oct 2005 06:02:10 -0700, "AtomicBob"
<robert.westbrook@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I have a set-top DVD recorder (Cyberhome DVR-1600) that once in awhile,
when hitting stop at the end of a recording, fails to finish the file
and declares the disk (DVD+RW in this case) to be no good.
This happened to a TV episode I have wanted to capture for a long time
(stupid of me to not concurrently VCR it, I know). The 1600 recorded
the whole 2 hours (in a 3-hour quality mode), but when I hit Stop maybe
5 minutes after the show was over (I like some padding), the recorder
made some drive access noises and then declared the recroding a
failure. But when you look at the disc, you can "see" where the data
was written, and this makes me think that somehow, with the right
tools, the .VOB file might be somehow recoverable. When I put the disc
into my external DVD writer on the computer, it sees nothing, no matter
whether I hook it up to a windows or MacOS machine. But then I haven't
tried any particular file-recovery tools on it.
I'm not gonna erase the DVD+RW until I have exhausted all avenues.
Any ideas if this is possible, and if so, what's the best tool to use?
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I had a similar problem as you did.
I eventually exchanged it at Walmart for a Pioneer 220s and have never
had a lick of trouble since then.
Some folks will tell you it's a problem of limited writing on RW
disks. The same RW disks that gave me problems on the Cyberhome never
give me any grief with the Pioneer. Some of these disks have been
rewritten over 40 times on the Pioneer with no problems.
Also the Pioneer has some other features that are very nice like a
variable bit rate that allows you to set the recording time in 5 min
increments rather than by 1,2,4,8 hrs as on the Cyberhome. This allows
you to compromise the recording quality no more than is necessary.
If you can afford it pay the extra 100 bucks and get the Pioneer and
be done with it. |
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Bob
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:30 am Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:45:58 -0500, Serial # 19781010 <none@none.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | Some folks will tell you it's a problem of limited writing on RW
disks. The same RW disks that gave me problems on the Cyberhome never
give me any grief with the Pioneer. Some of these disks have been
rewritten over 40 times on the Pioneer with no problems.
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Tech support at Ilo, which is actually CyberHome, told me that the
discs they recommend inhouse are Verbatim.
I am using Imation (Philips 041) I got at WM and as long as I
full-erase them with DVD Decrypter first, I have had no problems. |
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Irulan
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:36 am Post subject:
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"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:45:58 -0500, Serial # 19781010 <none@none.net
wrote:
Some folks will tell you it's a problem of limited writing on RW
disks. The same RW disks that gave me problems on the Cyberhome never
give me any grief with the Pioneer. Some of these disks have been
rewritten over 40 times on the Pioneer with no problems.
Tech support at Ilo, which is actually CyberHome, told me that the
discs they recommend inhouse are Verbatim.
I am using Imation (Philips 041) I got at WM and as long as I
full-erase them with DVD Decrypter first, I have had no problems.
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I just returned an iLO dvd recorder (HD04) I purchased from Walmart. I had
no idea it was a Cyberhome. I also have a Cyberhome 1500 recorder and it is
a piece of crap, I only use it occasionally. If I had known it iLO was a
Cyberhome I would never have purchased it in the first place.
--
Irulan
from the stars we come
to the stars we return
from now until the end of time
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Bill Vermillion
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:55 am Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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In article <1129207795.701253.316720@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
AtomicBob <robert.westbrook@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I have a set-top DVD recorder (Cyberhome DVR-1600) that once in awhile,
when hitting stop at the end of a recording, fails to finish the file
and declares the disk (DVD+RW in this case) to be no good.
This happened to a TV episode I have wanted to capture for a long time
(stupid of me to not concurrently VCR it, I know). The 1600 recorded
the whole 2 hours (in a 3-hour quality mode), but when I hit Stop maybe
5 minutes after the show was over (I like some padding), the recorder
made some drive access noises and then declared the recroding a
failure. But when you look at the disc, you can "see" where the data
was written, and this makes me think that somehow, with the right
tools, the .VOB file might be somehow recoverable. When I put the disc
into my external DVD writer on the computer, it sees nothing, no matter
whether I hook it up to a windows or MacOS machine. But then I haven't
tried any particular file-recovery tools on it.
I'm not gonna erase the DVD+RW until I have exhausted all avenues.
Any ideas if this is possible, and if so, what's the best tool to use?
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I read the entire thread and no one gave you the answer on how to
fix it.
I've had similar problems, including such things as a power failure
when the disk was writing.
I use ISO-Buster to recover. I liked what the limited version did
so well I bought the $29 upgrade.
It's saved me a lot of hours.
Bill
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Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com |
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Bob
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:36:01 -0400, "Irulan" <lrulan@comcast.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | I just returned an iLO dvd recorder (HD04) I purchased from Walmart. I had
no idea it was a Cyberhome.
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If you are talking about the Ilo DVDR04, then it is not a Cyberhome -
it was made by LiteOn.
| Quote: | I also have a Cyberhome 1500 recorder and it is
a piece of crap, I only use it occasionally. If I had known iLO was a
Cyberhome I would never have purchased it in the first place.
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The Ilo DVDR05 is the CH 1600.
After I upgraded the f/w I have not had any serious problems. However
I found that you do have to perform a "full-erase" using DVD Decrypter
on new DVD +RW blank discs or it can lock up the unit. I am told that
Verbatim is the best brand to use. Of course I know Verbatim is one of
the two best DVD disc makers, with Taiyo Yuden in first place. But TY
does not make erasable media that I know of, so Verbatim is top
choice.
I have heard there are problems with all the DVDRs regardless of
price. At least the Ilo DVDR05 is only $99. |
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Bob
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:55:01 GMT, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) wrote:
| Quote: | I use ISO-Buster to recover. I liked what the limited version did
so well I bought the $29 upgrade.
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I did not know the eval version was crippled. |
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Paul Hyett
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:35 am Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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In rec.video.dvd.tech on Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Serial # 19781010 wrote :
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I had a similar problem as you did.
I eventually exchanged it at Walmart for a Pioneer 220s and have never
had a lick of trouble since then.
Some folks will tell you it's a problem of limited writing on RW
disks. The same RW disks that gave me problems on the Cyberhome never
give me any grief with the Pioneer. Some of these disks have been
rewritten over 40 times on the Pioneer with no problems.
Also the Pioneer has some other features that are very nice like a
variable bit rate that allows you to set the recording time in 5 min
increments rather than by 1,2,4,8 hrs as on the Cyberhome.
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That sounds incredibly useful.
My Philips DVDR610 has a 2.5hr mode, but most others seem to have
nothing between 2 & 3 hours.
| Quote: | This allows
you to compromise the recording quality no more than is necessary.
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Tell me about it - I really hate having to record at a lower quality
just because something is 2-3 minutes long.
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If you can afford it pay the extra 100 bucks and get the Pioneer and
be done with it.
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Does the above come in a HD version, too?
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Paul 'US Sitcom Fan' Hyett |
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root
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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AtomicBob <robert.westbrook@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I have a set-top DVD recorder (Cyberhome DVR-1600) that once in awhile,
when hitting stop at the end of a recording, fails to finish the file
and declares the disk (DVD+RW in this case) to be no good.
I'm not gonna erase the DVD+RW until I have exhausted all avenues.
Any ideas if this is possible, and if so, what's the best tool to use?
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I'll tell you what I do under linux and you can, perhaps, adapt it
to what software you use.
With the 1600, the recorded material starts at offset 5376=0x1500 sectors.
That is, from the start of the disk, skip the first 5376 sectors and then
read the rest of the disk. With linux:
dd if=/dev/dvd of=rescuefile bs=2048 skip=5376
Then you can edit/recover the program material from the rescue file. |
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Bill Vermillion
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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In article <434efd5e.99387734@news-server.houston.rr.com>,
Bob <spam@uce.gov> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:55:01 GMT, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) wrote:
I use ISO-Buster to recover. I liked what the limited version did
so well I bought the $29 upgrade.
I did not know the eval version was crippled.
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It's not crippled - but the upgrade version just has a lot more
features.
--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com |
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Serial # 19781010
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Sat Oct 15, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Recovering file from failed recording? |
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:35:27 +0100, Paul Hyett
<pah@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Also the Pioneer has some other features that are very nice like a
variable bit rate that allows you to set the recording time in 5 min
increments rather than by 1,2,4,8 hrs as on the Cyberhome.
That sounds incredibly useful.
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I was in error the recording times are NOT in 5 min increments...
....these are the recording times that can be set to fill up a single
sided disk- directly from the manual:
360mins.
345 mins.
330 mins.
315 mins.
300 mins.
285 mins.
270 mins.
255 mins.
240 mins.
230 mins.
220 mins.
210 mins.
200 mins.
190 mins.
180 mins.
170 mins.
160 mins.
150 mins.
140 mins.
130 mins.
120 mins.
110 mins.
105 mins.
100 mins.
95 mins.
90 mins.
85 mins.
80 mins.
75 mins.
70 mins.
65 mins.
61 mins.
For a total of 32 different recording times between 1hr and 6hrs.
Also it has the ability to setup input filters so you can use either
preset filters or user defined filters
You can set VNR (video noise reduction)
Amount of detail to retain
Black level
Hue
Chroma
and more.
These act at hardware level directly on the input before anything is
recorded. It's very nice for someone like myself who has recorded a
lot of old movies with a lot of flaws in them. Often using the filters
the resulting DVD looks better than the orignal tapes.
There may be other recorders with even better features but overall for
200 bucks this is hard to beat.
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Does the above come in a HD version, too?
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Yes it goes for about 350 bucks-I forget the model number. |
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