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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:51 am    Post subject: Re: Is Mac or PC best for this application? Reply with quote

In article <Xns96F45B0ACB0B2timwitortwrotethis@207.217.125.201>, trw7at@ixdot.netcomdotcom (Tim Witort) wrote:
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Gary Hendricks seemed to utter in news:1129699227.920755.167460
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Hi Tim,

I'd choose a PC for that kind of application. The thing is, most people
(sad for Apple) would be more familiar with PCs than MACs. And if you
need a simple software program to edit video, the best one to go for is
the free Windows Movie Maker, Ulead VideoStudio or muVee AutoProducer.

I'm not sure how iMovie stacks up but those 2 products above for
Windows are simple enough for novices.

The more research I do, the more I lean in this direction. Another
factor in favor of the PC solution is maintaining the machine. I
and many others involved are very familiar with building, upgrading,
maintaining PCs, but Macs are an unknown entity.

Also largely unknown are Macs to the virus coders of this world, and far
less vulnerable... which is partially why I plan to switch to a Mac for my
next computer. OsX is a solid, Unix-based operating system. Microsoft
needs to start developing Windows in that direction too.

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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:25 am    Post subject: Re: Is Mac or PC best for this application? Reply with quote

Oh, well ... the mac v pc .....
One reason macs do not have a lot of virusis .... just look at the market
share .... more pcs than macs thus what hacker in their right mind would
want to waste time to corrupt a mac when the are so many more pcs out there.
Personally, I am a pc user for when I decided to get a real computer (I
started with the TI994A) mac/apple did NOT have color capabilities but pc
did.
Most of the time the best/favorite program is your first one.
Both crash! In fact all computers crash .... if not configured correctly.
You can have THE BEST hardware and BEST software, however if they do not
LIKE each other the machine WILL CRASH. Even a Cray will crash..
mac and pc both do the same things, it all depends on what you are familiar
with.
The main thing is to have fun, make pictures and enjoy life!
Yours,
Tom
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AnthonyR
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Is Mac or PC best for this application? Reply with quote

"Tom Ellliott" <1stroke@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:7YU6f.2694$NJ.842@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
Quote:
Oh, well ... the mac v pc .....
One reason macs do not have a lot of virusis .... just look at the market
share .... more pcs than macs thus what hacker in their right mind would
want to waste time to corrupt a mac when the are so many more pcs out
there.
Personally, I am a pc user for when I decided to get a real computer (I
started with the TI994A) mac/apple did NOT have color capabilities but pc
did.
Most of the time the best/favorite program is your first one.
Both crash! In fact all computers crash .... if not configured correctly.
You can have THE BEST hardware and BEST software, however if they do not
LIKE each other the machine WILL CRASH. Even a Cray will crash..
mac and pc both do the same things, it all depends on what you are
familiar with.
The main thing is to have fun, make pictures and enjoy life!
Yours,
Tom


Exactly!
And on a side note, because so many virus' are written for PC's, they have
been tightening the security
and most people backup regularly and run antivirus etc...
Mac users are a little too comfortable not getting hit and might just be
unprepared someday.
just my opinion,
AnthonyR.
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Gary P
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: Is Mac or PC best for this application? Reply with quote

"Tom Ellliott" <1stroke@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:7YU6f.2694$NJ.842@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
Quote:
Oh, well ... the mac v pc .....
One reason macs do not have a lot of virusis .... just look at the market
share .... more pcs than macs thus what hacker in their right mind would
want to waste time to corrupt a mac when the are so many more pcs out
there.

Apart from which, how many Mac users COULD write a virus?

Gary
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ushere
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: Is Mac or PC best for this application? Reply with quote

"Gary P" <nospam@thankyou.com> wrote in message news:435ee89b$1@127.0.0.1...
Quote:
"Tom Ellliott" <1stroke@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:7YU6f.2694$NJ.842@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
Oh, well ... the mac v pc .....
One reason macs do not have a lot of virusis .... just look at the market
share .... more pcs than macs thus what hacker in their right mind would
want to waste time to corrupt a mac when the are so many more pcs out
there.

Apart from which, how many Mac users COULD write a virus?

Gary


and, having got a mac, it doesn't need any help corrupting it's own
files....
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Ted Langdell
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Mac or PC best for this application? Reply with quote

Hi, Tim,

Before purchasing, you might consider (not necessarily in order of
importance--you need to determine what's most important to your
organization):

Who is going to have to work with the workstations;

Who is going to train the users (or will they train themselves?)

Who is going to have to maintain the workstations... and

The amount of maint. that could be required;

The advantages of single-maker hardware/software packages (such as from
Apple) versus hardware from one major name brand supplier (Say, Dell, HP,
Gateway) and software from other sources that has to be installed and
configured... versus "home brew" boxes that someone puts together from
third-party parts.


Before making a decision, do some real checking with users of both OS's on
various hardware setups and see what works and doesn't work well... and how
quickly inexperienced users of either platform can get back to being
productive.


Also look at the level of sophistication expected for the final product.

Since Macs come with OS 10.4 and the latest "i" software: iMovie,, iDVD,
iPhoto, etc., you're not paying extra to get simple to use movie, DVD
authoring and photo editing.

I'm hearing good things about Soundtrack Pro.

For more complex video programs, Final Cut Express or Final Cut Pro are good
choices, and offer more options, sophistication and a somewhat greater
learning curve.

If creating programs from tape shot by multiple cameras rolling at the same
time is a need or possible direction, FCP 5 has the ability to easily edit
multi-camera shoots, using the multi-camera function.

Get a demo. Work with it yourself.

There are also Final Cut Pro user groups in a lot of areas that can assist,
and a lot of good training materials, too.

There are several Apple sound editing programs that do a great job of
multitrack audio, and a number of third-party sound apps that are also great.
Check out BIAS's offerings. (http://bias.com)

Apple has a new high-end photo editing application that just launched. See
it on the Apple site.

The included iPhoto offers a number of photo cataloging benefits, while
including some often used photo editing and cleanup tools.

Photoshop and Photoshop Elements are pretty similar on both Mac and PC, so
that might be a good way to go to enable users of either platform to be
productive.

Hardware wise:

If expense is an issue, the entry Mac Mini at around $500 might be a good
choice if you want to re-use existing VGA or better monitors from existing
PC's. It comes with a VGA port.

USB keyboards and mice can be shifted over, too... although it's a good idea
to have a keyboard for Mac since a few of the keys are different than PC's.
I use a Logitech USB keyboard on an six year old G3 laptop and it works just
fine.

You'll want to think about external FireWire drives for storage.

If editing horsepower and longevity of productive hardware are concerns,
check out the new dual-core G5 towers, which have two G5 processors in each
CPU chip.

So, what used to be a dual-processor machine can be a four-processor machine,
improving productivity at a price that's similar to what the previous
machines cost.

That also means you can get a dual-processor machine for what the
single-processor machines used to sell for.

The G5's have Serial ATA busses internally and FireWire 800 and 400. Setting
up an external SATA or FireWire RAID system is not a problem.

With the G5's you can easily add a SAN using XSAN should your storage and
access requirements grow to need that capability.

Check the AppleStore online at http://www.apple.com or major online retailers
like http://macmall to get an idea of what's up with that.

An educational discount through Apple can cut the costs of the hardware
notably, and can cut the software costs quite a bit.

Optional long-term Applecare can help with maintaining the systems... through
phone support and repairs.

New Macs come with gigabit ethernet built in, so connecting to other machines
(Mac, PC, Unix, whathaveyou) or the rest of the world is not a big deal.

If you do some diligent comparisons AND work with the Apple hardware and
software, you may discover for yourself and your church how well Apple's
integrated systems will do what you want at an affordable price, with less
operational support over time.

That means more uptime, more productivity because they work, and people will
want to use them (less hassle factor) and no calls to you for support!

Hope this is helpful.

Ted.


On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:42:03 -0700, Tim Witort wrote
(in article <Xns96EDA9F0D2574timwitortwrotethis@207.217.125.201>):

Quote:
I have been asked to recommend a "media workstation" for
my church that can be used to edit video, edit photos, and
edit/mix audio. All of my work is done using Adobe products
on a WinXP machine, but several staff members at the church
use Macs. I have not used a Mac to do any of this stuff, so
I don't know how they compare. Price-wise the Mac solution
(a G5 with FinalCut, etc) would be more expensive even with
the discount the church gets from Apple. But I'm always
hearing how easy it is for novices to produce videos and
such on a Mac - and we will have some people with limited
computer experience using this thing.

If we go PC, I'm thinking our software would be Premiere Pro
or Vegas for video, Photoshop for images and Sonar for
audio with a firewire audio interface box. We'd also need to
have something that a newbie could use to import and edit
simple videos. Is there a Windows software product that
would be as easy as iMovie for novices to use for editing
video? I know Premiere ain't it, because I use Premiere
all the time. Maybe one of the Pinnacle programs?

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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: Is Mac or PC best for this application? Reply with quote

In article <435ee89b$1@127.0.0.1>, "Gary P" <nospam@thankyou.com>
wrote:

Quote:
"Tom Ellliott" <1stroke@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:7YU6f.2694$NJ.842@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
Oh, well ... the mac v pc .....
One reason macs do not have a lot of virusis .... just look at the market
share .... more pcs than macs thus what hacker in their right mind would
want to waste time to corrupt a mac when the are so many more pcs out
there.

Apart from which, how many Mac users COULD write a virus?

Gary

Well, if you go back some years, quite a lot. Back in the late 80's and
early 90s (well before OSX and the intro of Windows) - both Macs and PCs
were plagued with virus issues in about equal measure.

When Microsoft made the deals compelling box manufactures to ship with
MS software pre-installed - the virus writing community (often kids)
quickly realized that in order to spread their malware, they needed to
concentrate on the largest community - so virus writers for the Mac
pretty much disappeared.

I haven't seen one in about 10 years.

Before that, about as common as PC bugs.

And as to your backhand slap at Mac hacks, take a look at the Widget
writing community. Or the real-time satellite mapping hacks. Or the
doctors in India who are hacking Ipod Photos to carry, read and display
encrypted patient X-RAYS on their rounds.

Just because you don't use or understand the alternate technology
doesn't mean it's less worthy. And that works BOTH ways in the PC vs Mac
debate.
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