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Gary L T
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Ipod Video: Transferring Home Movies |
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"XP" <xp@nospam.comn> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:21:31 +1300, "Gary L T" <garylt@it.net> wrote:
The H.264 mode is called AVC , you can change the file name to what
ever you like, the M4V+++++ is the MP4 file format, but the H.264
(AVC)
is called MAQ+++++
Try changing the file names to the iPod ones..
Plus they might update the PSP Video 9 for iPod, as its a nice program
to
use, even used to rip a PAL DVD that I have and it played 100% on a Jap
PSP..
Used DVD Decrypter to get the VOB files, funny how a so called NTSC PSP
can
play a PAL Image with out any sound sync lose..
Does the iPod have NTSC/PAL options.?
The other thing you could try is the FFMPEG Flags..
http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/index.php
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Thanks XP for this information. Up until now, I have been using the "File"
"Import"
command of iTunes without success. So I thought I would try another way of
opening the file in iTunes. I went to "My Computer" and found the file:
M4V10001.mp4 and then went through the "open with" procedure and selected
"itunes". Strangely enough, this actually imported the mp4 file into iTunes
and
played it back!! I am not sure why this worked when the "File" "Import"
command of iTunes rejected the file.
So I am half way there, all I have to do now is to download the 54Mb update
"IpodSetup.exe" and see if I can transfer the movie file from iTunes to my
iPod.
I have a 60GB photo IPod that was bought in January this year, so I hope
this
model will be able to play this video?
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William Davis
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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In article <dj3rn0$hii$1@mughi.cs.ubc.ca>,
davem@cs.ubc.ca (Dave Martindale) wrote:
| Quote: | William Davis <davisbill@mac.com> writes:
Just for the record, I don't think that Apple is really "selling
hardware" here. Nor are they "selling software."
They're building a digital distribuition network for creative content
that happens to have hardware and software components. Note that since
the implementation of iTunes for the PC, this is not a "strictly Mac"
model. Also note that, as other posters have mentioned, apple software
(Quicktime) is NOT strictly necessary for viewing.
The success or failure of iTunes - and by extension iTunes for Video -
is that it's a digital distribution model for making it EASY for users
to satisfy their desire for LICENSED creative content.
But I don't want to buy any licensed creative content from Apple's
store. I want to listen (legally) to all of the content that I already
own on CDs, and I want to do it using WMA-compressed audio (because it
takes less space). Apple's iPods don't work for that, when they could
easily do so - without losing any of their existing capability as part
of their "digital distribution network".
Dave
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That's fair Dave,
But what you're actually saying is this.
"I know you guys invented this thing. I know it meets your business
goals, and it clearly meets the market's needs because it's selling like
hotcakes. However, I'm ticked because it doesn't do everything *I* want
so I don't think you've got it right."
Clearly, a millions of humans world wide have decided that the
iPod/iTunes model meets their needs just fine.
They don't seem to give a rats behind about WMA compressed audio - (or
any of a half a dozen other compression alternatives!) Heck, most of
them don't even understand the difference between AAC, Mp3, and WMA -
all they care about is that the music sounds good enough when they plug
in their headphones on the plane, in the bus, or riding their bike.
I suppose that what this means is that what YOU want to do is far less
typical than what most other people want to do.
I'll just note that historically, great long term businesses are usually
built by bringing wanted functionality to the masses.
It's how MS became MS - and how Apple became Apple and Henry Ford put
America on the road - nobody could argue that the Ford was the worlds
best automobile, even back then there were plenty of better designs. But
Henry knew that people wanted easy access to cars - just like Apple
seems to understand that people want EASY access to legal music.
And to the extent someone provides customers with what they want, they
should make money doing it.
Frankly I'm surprised by all the posts moaning about Apple not providing
Quicktime Pro functionality for free.
Jeez, the upgrade costs about what you could save in a week by bringing
your lunch from home rather than eating out.
Want full screen quicktime - PAY THE MONEY. Heck at least it will be
going to a company with a history of interesting R&D! (Firewire,
Quicktime, iPods, etc) rather than to some offshore "stick cheap
components in the ugliest box possible and sell it cheap" vendor.
Maybe your bucks will help Apple invent/adapt/refine something else cool
next year.
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Nathan Mercer
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject:
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AnthonyR wrote:
| Quote: | "Dave Martindale" <davem@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message
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Richard <rich@ihug.co.nz> writes:
Makes the video ipod look like just another halfassed apple product if it
only
takes quicktime... why not the avis that everything else is happy with...
only
apple..
You might as well ask why all ipods do not play WMA audio files. To do
so would certainly benefit consumers, but it would also help one of
Apple's rivals.
Dave
Well if the wma files are NOT encrypted iTunes easily allows you to convert
them to something that will play on iTunes and iPod.
But encrypted files between the too rival companies, ex. apple's protected
songs and microsofts protected content, I believe isn't legal
to unprotect by anyone and can only be played for the system and software it
was designed for.
In mediaPlayer for example when ripping a cd, it defaults to protect wma
format, I believe unless you change the preferences to unprotected, that's
Microsofts decision which later hinders people from converting wma files to
be played elsewhere.
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It doesn't default to protected WMA, is asks you what you want to do the
first time you rip/encode a CD to WMA
Cheers
Nathan |
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Gary L T
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:04 pm Post subject:
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"Nathan Mercer" <nmercer@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | AnthonyR wrote:
"Dave Martindale" <davem@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message
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Richard <rich@ihug.co.nz> writes:
Makes the video ipod look like just another halfassed apple product if
it only
takes quicktime... why not the avis that everything else is happy
with... only
apple..
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Here's another question, it seems that you can only watch video
on the ipods that have just been released (i.e. in October 2005).
I would have thought that it should be possible to view video on
a 30 or 60GB photo ipod that was first released about a year ago.
Can anyone tell me whether it will ever be possible to have new
Apple software that will allow people to view video on a photo
ipod that is a year old? After all, these ipods can produce slide
shows of still pictures with sound, so wouldn't it just require
software to adapt these 1-year old ipods to display video with
sound?
Or does the new video ipod have some different hardware
characteristics to the older photo ipods? After all, a 60GB
ipod operates just like a the hard drive of any computer, so
why can't it display video with an appropriate software
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Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:54 pm Post subject:
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"Gary L T" <garylt@it.net> writes:
| Quote: | Here's another question, it seems that you can only watch video
on the ipods that have just been released (i.e. in October 2005).
I would have thought that it should be possible to view video on
a 30 or 60GB photo ipod that was first released about a year ago.
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The new ones have a custom video chip that the olds ones don't
have. Not gonna happen.
| Quote: | Or does the new video ipod have some different hardware
characteristics to the older photo ipods? After all, a 60GB
ipod operates just like a the hard drive of any computer, so
why can't it display video with an appropriate software
update?
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Because much of what you think is done in software is done
by specialized chips.
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Kwiter
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
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I went the CHEAPO route for Video, first using a Gameboy Advance and
Gameboy Movie Player and now a Mustek PVRA1, I plug the PVRA1 right
into my DVD player, hit play on the DVD player and record on the PVRA1
with a 512 meg SD card in it and record the DVD to it. I find watching
on the Palm Zire 71 better tho since it has a resume function, the
PVRA1 is sadly lacking this feature.
My REAL first intro to this was on my Dell Axim X5 a few years back,
conversion to WMV made it too much trouble so I stopped. Direct
Recording RULES!
my 2 cents
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Kwiter
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
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I think with ipodlinux you can do that RIGHT NOW. Google Linux for
ipod, link MIGHT be www.ipodlinux.org but not 100%
good Luck!
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AnthonyR
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject:
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"Bill Van Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | See-- I have lost my mind.
Nevertheless, it conjures an image in my mind of millions of people
shuffling around our cities, ear-buds in, gazing at tiny little hand-held
video screens, not even dimly aware of each other...
It did occur to me that a screen like that might provide some weird sort
of transient relief while waiting somewhere for a long, long time, or
taking a long ride on a bus or subway train. But I kept thinking that if
there was anything worth watching on that iPod, I would immediately want
to run home and watch it on a real screen anyway.
Now, would I pay $2 to watch a movie while I ride to work on a subway?
Would you really want to add $2.00 to every commute, or every visit to a
doctor's office?
Here we are now. Entertain us.
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well, I think you're missing the point, it's a start.
Future models will probably include 3d glasses that allow a big screen view
type effect, the idea is to start with portable video
at some point and evolve, like all technology does.
Remember the first tv's? Little round CRT screen with fuzzy image in B&W
sound remotely similar to HDTV huge screens of today?
No, but they had to start somewhere.
So portable video is in the infancy, give it time. Maybe direct visual
playing with chips implanted directly to our brains will be the best answer.
I know companies are working on that now, so we can control remote devices
and interface with computers wirelessly with our thoughts.
OK, back on subject...paying $2 a movie isn't something you would do
everyday to add to the cost of your commute (unless you can afford it)
but the average person who missed the latest episode of say "Lost' the night
before, might quickly download it for $2 and watch it on his 45 minute train
ride into the city the next morning before hearing about it at the water
cooler.
It's a good idea to sell "Prime Time TV Shows" and movies legally online,
long overdue.
:)
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AnthonyR
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:04 am Post subject:
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"Dave Martindale" <davem@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message
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But don't you pay a price in space, compared to Apple's own compressed
format?
Dave
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Hey Dave,
Yes sure, mp3 files are larger than apples compressed format, but so what.
I have 3365 songs so far all on mp3 and still 23 gigs free space on my 40 gb
ipod.
I like mp3 because it's format independent and can play on both apple and
Microsoft players, this way
in the future I don't have to retranscode my music if I do buy new
technology or want to share a song
with a friend.
Plus I use higher than 128 mp3 for better quality, space hasn't been an
issue for me yet. And with 60 gb
and bigger ipods and mp3 players coming out, I doubt I need to worry about
efficiency.
I think that more an issue for people using the smaller nano and other RAM
players.
Thanks,
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AnthonyR
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:05 am Post subject:
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"Nathan Mercer" <nmercer@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | AnthonyR wrote:
"Dave Martindale" <davem@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message
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Richard <rich@ihug.co.nz> writes:
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was designed for.
In mediaPlayer for example when ripping a cd, it defaults to protect wma
format, I believe unless you change the preferences to unprotected,
that's Microsofts decision which later hinders people from converting wma
files to be played elsewhere.
It doesn't default to protected WMA, is asks you what you want to do the
first time you rip/encode a CD to WMA
Cheers
Nathan
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Well, I don't remember the last time I used media player for music, I
remember buying 10 songs from Napster as a trial when they went legal, then
had trouble playing them on media player when I uninstalled my napster
software, imagine, songs i bought and paid for would no longer play cause in
media player cause napster was gone? That's crap...too much encrypting, I
was on hold with tech support for 30 minutes when i called it a loss,
deleted the ten paid for songs (in wma encoded format) and never tried
again.
Never had such problems with iTunes and never looked back.
:)
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AnthonyR
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
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"Bill Van Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Or is there no real need or desire for wrist-watch-size TV's? Why do you
think there are no video phones yet? The technology is there.
I don't even hear people getting excited about using their computer as a
phone-- aint gonna happen.
My feeling is that iPod video will never move beyond the "novelty" stage
of acceptance. Except, as someone else noted, as a teeny, tiny VCR that
can play movies on your TV..... That's more intriguing. A teeny, tiny
VCR, that you can take with you to people's houses or apartments to play
your video on... Video Resumes? How to "books" with video. Perpetually
updated living wills....
Well we were promised video phones back in 1984, and they were suppose to |
be available in 1999 by Ma Bell.
It never happened and still hasn't because of one word, "Bandwidth".
Video just will overwhelm any communication network with too much data at
the moment, not enough bandwidth.
In fact the internet is cluttered now with text, imagine video?
The demand is there, just will take time.
Kids, love the cool factor!
They will drive this technology, not us.
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Helpful Harry
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:31 am Post subject:
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In article <6fR6f.23148$H3.20294@twister.nyc.rr.com>, "AnthonyR"
<nomail@nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Bill Van Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
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Or is there no real need or desire for wrist-watch-size TV's? Why do you
think there are no video phones yet? The technology is there.
I don't even hear people getting excited about using their computer as a
phone-- aint gonna happen.
My feeling is that iPod video will never move beyond the "novelty" stage
of acceptance. Except, as someone else noted, as a teeny, tiny VCR that
can play movies on your TV..... That's more intriguing. A teeny, tiny
VCR, that you can take with you to people's houses or apartments to play
your video on... Video Resumes? How to "books" with video. Perpetually
updated living wills....
Well we were promised video phones back in 1984, and they were suppose to
be available in 1999 by Ma Bell.
It never happened and still hasn't because of one word, "Bandwidth".
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Video phones are being sold and have been for a while. They are
evidently quite popular in gadget-crazy Japan. But the bandwidth
problem does mean they're rather hopeless. Webcams and things like
iChat seem to be taking over that niche, although those aren't really
much better. :o)
| Quote: | Video just will overwhelm any communication network with too much data at
the moment, not enough bandwidth.
In fact the internet is cluttered now with text, imagine video?
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Try "cluttered with porn and immature morons". There should be an
"Internet Licence" before people are allowed to log-on. :o(
| Quote: | The demand is there, just will take time.
Kids, love the cool factor!
They will drive this technology, not us.
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"Kids" have been driving about about half the technology for years ...
mainly via the games industry. The other half is driven mainly by the
military with a tiny slice by NASA.
Helpful Harry
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AnthonyR
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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"Helpful Harry" <helpful_harry@nom.de.plume.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Video just will overwhelm any communication network with too much data at
the moment, not enough bandwidth.
In fact the internet is cluttered now with text, imagine video?
Try "cluttered with porn and immature morons". There should be an
"Internet Licence" before people are allowed to log-on. :o(
Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
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Harry,
I agree, and once videophones are popular what do you suppose the main use
will be?
LOL Yup, you guessed it, porn...just like the web. :)
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