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Chris Mullins
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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With the great wald's posts i've been thinking of maybe installing an EQ in
my car. I'm thinking the one on my head unit is 9 band but its for all the
speakers, which sucks. I'd like to have one for the components and one for
the front tweeters but is this really necessary?? Right now its pointless
because the only good speakers i have are my subs. But soon that will
change, should i plan on an EQ or are the gains barely noticeable? also
recommend sizes(bands) brands etc i have no exp at all in equalizers
BTW please ignore bob if he happens to reply, lately people(including
myself) are replying more to him than the people that actually need help,
we're letting him win.
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Tony F
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:16 am Post subject:
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"we're letting him win."
duh...HahaHAhahA...weeeee...lol
Tony
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Clarion DRZ9255 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and Xenon X1200.1
Amplifiers, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and Focal 130HCs For Rear
Fill, Image Dynamics IDMAX10 D4 v.3 Sub
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Chad Wahls
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:55 pm Post subject:
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"Tony F" <tbone407*nospam*@charter.net> wrote in message
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[quote]"we're letting him win."
duh...HahaHAhahA...weeeee...lol
Tony
Dude you did it wrong, you used caps![/quote]
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bob wald
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject:
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awwwww..i'm touched a thread talking about me n quoting me..i swear i
think i'm out to tear up....
ty tony.. |
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bob wald
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:35 pm Post subject:
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chris???? by win.you implying i might of
lost..HahAHahAHahA......weeeeeee |
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Chris Mullins
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject:
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oh bob i'm sure you always win at the special olympics. everyone here knows
you're a troll, its obvious you're a complete idiot, the only reason i
usually reply to you is because your ignorance is usually pretty funny.
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[quote]chris???? by win.you implying i might of
lost..HahAHahAHahA......weeeeeee
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bob wald
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject:
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you all havent figured out yet i not only teach you about stuff but make
it fun too.....
I'm sorry i destroyed some of you that thunk you were the know it all in
car audio....lol
some of you cant except that
jensen,receivers,speakers-boss,amps-jvc''gold
speakers''-Sherwood,amps-clarion
eqs-pioneer''subs''-visonik,speakers,amps. are as good as
kicker-jl-rf-orion-audiobahn.
LOL....... |
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bob wald
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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i have been thinking...once my clarion eq comes in.i might not write
here any more.i should be around people with really a+ systems like
mine.i will remember some funn times here i had tho trying to show you
about pro car stereo.... |
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Chris Mullins
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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i know i will really miss you
"bob wald" <bob36swmla@webtv.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | i have been thinking...once my clarion eq comes in.i might not write
here any more.i should be around people with really a+ systems like
mine.i will remember some funn times here i had tho trying to show you
about pro car stereo....
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Jethro
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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MZ Wrote:
| Quote: | Most people don't enjoy a perfectly flat freq response in a car.
That's
why it's always better to use your ears rather than a meter.
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I agree... your ears should be the final judge. The reason I used an E
was because it did not sound good to my ears without an one... ther
were obvious frequency response issues. That is why I pointed out tha
I measured and listened to the results of my tweaking. The main reaso
for the meter was just to eliminate some trial and error. The obviousl
offensive (or missing) frequencies showed up when I too
measurements... then I knew which center frequency to adjust. I
actually works very well.
It is also important to note that not every vehicle will have the sam
kind of issues my GTI had... newer cars with softer interior material
and better sound deadening may not even need an EQ. And of course, th
frequency response characteristics of whatever speakers you use wil
have an affect as well
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MZ
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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Most people don't enjoy a perfectly flat freq response in a car. That's
why it's always better to use your ears rather than a meter.
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Jethro wrote:
| Quote: | An EQ can be useful if you have any peaks or dips in your frequency
response. If you don't notice any offensive frequencies when listening |
to music (excess sibilance, strange reverberations, etc), you may not
need one. It just depends how important flat frequency response is to
you.
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In my '84 VW GTI, I need an EQ to smooth out the FR. I opted for an
AudioControl EQX (1/3 octave EQ for bass frequencies, 1/2 octave for |
higher frequencies), and have been very pleased with it. I have had it
for over 15 years now, so I'm not familiar with their current lineup,
but they are very similar. The only downside of the AudioControl gear
is its large size, which needs to be mounted on an amp rack rather than
in (or under) the dash. But, it is high quality, audiophile grade
equipment.
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I used test tones off the Autosound 2000 test CD, and measured the
response with a handheld SPL meter. I made adjustments and then went |
back and measured (and listened) again. I wasn't able to get things
ruler flat, but I was able to eliminate some of the offensive
resonances and fill in some of the dips.
| Quote: |
If you know you only have a few areas that need fixing, a parametric EQ
is also a good way to go. |
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Scott Gardner
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:44:16 GMT, MZ <mark@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
| Quote: | Most people don't enjoy a perfectly flat freq response in a car. That's
why it's always better to use your ears rather than a meter.
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I'll agree, as long as you have a lot of experience, an extremely good
sense of pitch, or you know EXACTLY how your test songs/tracks are
*supposed* to sound when everything is adjusted properly.
For most people (myself included), our ears will adapt very quickly to
an incorrectly-adjusted frequency response, and it may actually sound
pretty darned good - until someone with more experience re-adjusts
everything and we hear things as they *should* sound. More than once,
I've heard the final results and couldn't believe that I was actually
happy with the way it sounded before.
Like the saying goes, "Any system that can be infinitely adjusted can
also be infinitely MIS-adjusted.
To minimize the tuning time these days, I use an RTA to dial in either
a perfectly-flat response, or (more often), an IASCA-type curve where
it's flat except for a gradual increase going down into the mid-bass
and bass regions. Then, I use that as a starting point and further
adjust "to taste" from there.
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Scott Gardner
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:22:27 +0000, Jethro
<Jethro.1wvhfz@no-mx.caraudioforum.com> wrote:
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Chris Mullins Wrote:
With the great wald's posts i've been thinking of maybe installing an EQ
in
my car. I'm thinking the one on my head unit is 9 band but its for all
the
speakers, which sucks. I'd like to have one for the components and one
for
the front tweeters but is this really necessary?? Right now its
pointless
because the only good speakers i have are my subs. But soon that will
change, should i plan on an EQ or are the gains barely noticeable?
also
recommend sizes(bands) brands etc i have no exp at all in equalizers
BTW please ignore bob if he happens to reply, lately people(including
myself) are replying more to him than the people that actually need
help,
we're letting him win.
An EQ can be useful if you have any peaks or dips in your frequency
response. If you don't notice any offensive frequencies when listening
to music (excess sibilance, strange reverberations, etc), you may not
need one. It just depends how important flat frequency response is to
you.
In my '84 VW GTI, I need an EQ to smooth out the FR. I opted for an
AudioControl EQX (1/3 octave EQ for bass frequencies, 1/2 octave for
higher frequencies), and have been very pleased with it. I have had it
for over 15 years now, so I'm not familiar with their current lineup,
but they are very similar. The only downside of the AudioControl gear
is its large size, which needs to be mounted on an amp rack rather than
in (or under) the dash. But, it is high quality, audiophile grade
equipment.
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I had an EQX as well - great piece of gear. If you want to be totally
blown away, check out their new digital signal processors. Some of
them are just sick! The DQXS has six input channels, eight output
channels (front highpass, front bandpass, rear highpass and
subwoofer), 1/3-octave equalization for the front speakers and subs,
and 1/2-octave equalization for the rear speakers. There are also
twelve parametric equalizer channels. The crossovers have a 24
dB/octave slope, and there's a subsonic filter as well. After you've
adjusted all **142** channels of equalization, you can save the
settings to one of eight presets.
It's smaller than our old EQX's, although it probably still needs to
be trunk-mounted. But, there's an optional wired dash controller that
can be stuck in a glove box or center console, or mounted in a
single-DIN dash slot. Everything can be adjusted from the wired
controller - it's not just for switching between presets.
I'm surprised they didn't incorporate one of their "Epicenter"
restoration processors into it as well, but I guess they needed to
save something for the next model.
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Scott Gardner
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Jethro
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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Chris Mullins Wrote:
| Quote: | With the great wald's posts i've been thinking of maybe installing an E
in
my car. I'm thinking the one on my head unit is 9 band but its for al
the
speakers, which sucks. I'd like to have one for the components and on
for
the front tweeters but is this really necessary?? Right now it
pointless
because the only good speakers i have are my subs. But soon that will
change, should i plan on an EQ or are the gains barely noticeable?
also
recommend sizes(bands) brands etc i have no exp at all in equalizers
BTW please ignore bob if he happens to reply, lately people(including
myself) are replying more to him than the people that actually nee
help,
we're letting him win.
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An EQ can be useful if you have any peaks or dips in your frequenc
response. If you don't notice any offensive frequencies when listenin
to music (excess sibilance, strange reverberations, etc), you may no
need one. It just depends how important flat frequency response is t
you.
In my '84 VW GTI, I need an EQ to smooth out the FR. I opted for a
AudioControl EQX (1/3 octave EQ for bass frequencies, 1/2 octave fo
higher frequencies), and have been very pleased with it. I have had i
for over 15 years now, so I'm not familiar with their current lineup
but they are very similar. The only downside of the AudioControl gea
is its large size, which needs to be mounted on an amp rack rather tha
in (or under) the dash. But, it is high quality, audiophile grad
equipment.
I used test tones off the Autosound 2000 test CD, and measured th
response with a handheld SPL meter. I made adjustments and then wen
back and measured (and listened) again. I wasn't able to get thing
ruler flat, but I was able to eliminate some of the offensiv
resonances and fill in some of the dips.
If you know you only have a few areas that need fixing, a parametric E
is also a good way to go
--
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Kirby
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I am actualy very interested in viewing the Golf of yours. I have an '84
Jetta and I'd like some inspiration.
"Jethro" <Jethro.1wvhfz@no-mx.caraudioforum.com> wrote in message
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Chris Mullins Wrote:
With the great wald's posts i've been thinking of maybe installing an EQ
in
my car. I'm thinking the one on my head unit is 9 band but its for all
the
speakers, which sucks. I'd like to have one for the components and one
for
the front tweeters but is this really necessary?? Right now its
pointless
because the only good speakers i have are my subs. But soon that will
change, should i plan on an EQ or are the gains barely noticeable?
also
recommend sizes(bands) brands etc i have no exp at all in equalizers
BTW please ignore bob if he happens to reply, lately people(including
myself) are replying more to him than the people that actually need
help,
we're letting him win.
An EQ can be useful if you have any peaks or dips in your frequency
response. If you don't notice any offensive frequencies when listening
to music (excess sibilance, strange reverberations, etc), you may not
need one. It just depends how important flat frequency response is to
you.
In my '84 VW GTI, I need an EQ to smooth out the FR. I opted for an
AudioControl EQX (1/3 octave EQ for bass frequencies, 1/2 octave for
higher frequencies), and have been very pleased with it. I have had it
for over 15 years now, so I'm not familiar with their current lineup,
but they are very similar. The only downside of the AudioControl gear
is its large size, which needs to be mounted on an amp rack rather than
in (or under) the dash. But, it is high quality, audiophile grade
equipment.
I used test tones off the Autosound 2000 test CD, and measured the
response with a handheld SPL meter. I made adjustments and then went
back and measured (and listened) again. I wasn't able to get things
ruler flat, but I was able to eliminate some of the offensive
resonances and fill in some of the dips.
If you know you only have a few areas that need fixing, a parametric EQ
is also a good way to go.
--
Jethro
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