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Henry Padilla
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject:
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Looks like WB is going to back Blu-Ray. This will probably tip the scales
on HD-DVD.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9610452/
MS has got to be ready to strangle someone.
Tom P.
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Tarkus
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:49 pm Post subject:
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On 10/10/2005 10:02:59 AM, Henry Padilla wrote:
Alpha?
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AnthonyR
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:17 am Post subject:
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"Henry Padilla" <padillah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I think it's still too early to tell...but if current dvd disc can be viewed
in the new HD-DVD machines then I think that will be enough an advantage to
convince owners of current large dvd disc collections to buy a new HD-DVD
system, rather than a new machine and have two incompatible dvd collections
and 2 machines in their system.
But then again, maybe Blu-Ray machines will be able to read older dvd discs?
I thought not but could it be possible?
And if not, maybe they can sell a unit with two slide out draws, one for dvd
and one for BD. That might work.
Bigger storage is a good selling point also for me, so it's too close to
call for me yet.
AnthonyR. |
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Steve Guidry
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:22 am Post subject:
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So what ?
If it's not the blu guys, then it will be someone else.
And - - like with all other formats - - when it gets established, and proved
itself, and my customers start asking for it, THEN, and only then will I
buy it.
Steve
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Alpha
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:45 am Post subject:
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"Tarkus" <karnevil9@beer.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On 10/10/2005 10:02:59 AM, Henry Padilla wrote:
Looks like WB is going to back Blu-Ray. This will probably tip the
scales on HD-DVD.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9610452/
MS has got to be ready to strangle someone.
Alpha?
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Both Blu Ray and HD DVD will fail as they are currently conceived. Mark my
words.....both will undergo modification, particularly to remove the Big
Brother copy protection envisioned (especially by Blu Ray). |
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Jona Vark
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:52 am Post subject:
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"Steve Guidry" <steveguidry@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | So what ?
If it's not the blu guys, then it will be someone else.
And - - like with all other formats - - when it gets established, and
proved
itself, and my customers start asking for it, THEN, and only then will I
buy it.
Steve
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excisely. !
Kinda like Blue anyway. |
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Bill Van Dyk
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject:
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It absolutely amazes me how Sony and Toshiba et al can see it coming--
clear as day-- and still can't prevent it: Beta vs. VHS all over again.
Consumers have shown that they won't plunge into a new format in large
numbers until they get a clear idea that one format will prevail. The
incredibly fast adoption of DVD showed that.
They also, up 'til now, have shown an aversion for overbearing copy
protection schemes. So here's hoping a third, non-conforming format
comes out by some renegade company that isn't under the thumb of the
content corporations or their cronies in Washington. A man can dream...
Henry Padilla wrote:
[quote]Looks like WB is going to back Blu-Ray. This will probably tip the scales
on HD-DVD.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9610452/
MS has got to be ready to strangle someone.
Tom P.
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Tarkus
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:42 pm Post subject:
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On 10/11/2005 6:27:01 AM, Bill Van Dyk wrote:
[quote]It absolutely amazes me how Sony and Toshiba et al can see it coming--
clear as day-- and still can't prevent it: Beta vs. VHS all over
again.
Consumers have shown that they won't plunge into a new format in large
numbers until they get a clear idea that one format will prevail. The
incredibly fast adoption of DVD showed that.
They also, up 'til now, have shown an aversion for overbearing copy
protection schemes. So here's hoping a third, non-conforming format
comes out by some renegade company that isn't under the thumb of the
content corporations or their cronies in Washington. A man can
dream...
[/quote]
Exactly how would you expect a third format to succeed without the
blessing of those content corporations in Hollywood? Are they going to
shoot their own films?
--
"Good evening, I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien
encounters is true. And by true I mean false. It's all lies. But
they're entertaining lies, so in the end, isn't that the truth? The
answer is 'no.'"
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Bill Van Dyk
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject:
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A Chinese or Indian company comes out with a new format and it is
adopted by Bollywood and the emerging Chinese film industry, who have
every reason to undercut Hollywood and Japan. It can read and write
somewhere around 30 GIG to a DVD form factor and the players are
compatible with existing DVD disks.
Actually, now that you mention it... you never know. Why did the VCR
utterly crush the Video Disk Player? Because it could record. I don't
know how that element factors into the introduction of new media, but I
know that those big greedy corporations are sensitive to the way
consumers attitudes sometimes coalesce around a particular issue. DRM
may prove to be an utter bust. If some Asian company offers some other
kind of technology and for some reason doesn't feel oblidged to cowtow
to the DRM cartel....
And in my view, this is a cartel.
The truth is, Free Enterprise and competition are for schmucks. The
real world is collaboration between Microsoft, Sony, Warner Brothers,
etc. "Competition? We don't need no stinking competition..."
Tarkus wrote:
[quote]
Exactly how would you expect a third format to succeed without the
blessing of those content corporations in Hollywood? Are they going to
shoot their own films?[/quote] |
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GeekBoy
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:51 pm Post subject:
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"Henry Padilla" <padillah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r8x2f.12$%d1.229529@news.sisna.com...
[quote]Looks like WB is going to back Blu-Ray. This will probably tip the scales
on HD-DVD.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9610452/
MS has got to be ready to strangle someone.
Tom P.
[/quote]
Weren't those the sunglasses advertised on cable TV?
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John W. Hall
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:03 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:27:01 -0400, Bill Van Dyk
<trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote:
[quote]Consumers have shown that they won't plunge into a new format in large
numbers until they get a clear idea that one format will prevail. The
incredibly fast adoption of DVD showed that.
[/quote]
I think that was before we became aware of DVD Hell...
-R +R RAM and others (IIRC), plus the incompatibilities between
different hardware and different brands of (nominally) the same type
of disc.
I'd settle for either, or both, of the proposed new HD formats if
things with the same label/logo would interoperate.
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John W Hall <wweexxsseessssaa@telus.net>
Cochrane, Alberta, Canada.
"Helping People Prosper in the Information Age" |
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GMAN
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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In article <daKdna-sz4w6ZdbeRVn-vw@golden.net>, trashtrash@christian-horizons.org wrote:
[quote]A Chinese or Indian company comes out with a new format and it is
adopted by Bollywood and the emerging Chinese film industry, who have
every reason to undercut Hollywood and Japan. It can read and write
somewhere around 30 GIG to a DVD form factor and the players are
compatible with existing DVD disks.
[/quote]
If that Chinese disk cant do HDTV, its game over before it even started for
that.
[quote]Actually, now that you mention it... you never know. Why did the VCR
utterly crush the Video Disk Player? Because it could record. I don't
know how that element factors into the introduction of new media, but I
know that those big greedy corporations are sensitive to the way
consumers attitudes sometimes coalesce around a particular issue. DRM
may prove to be an utter bust. If some Asian company offers some other
kind of technology and for some reason doesn't feel oblidged to cowtow
to the DRM cartel....
And in my view, this is a cartel.
The truth is, Free Enterprise and competition are for schmucks. The
real world is collaboration between Microsoft, Sony, Warner Brothers,
etc. "Competition? We don't need no stinking competition..."
Tarkus wrote:
Exactly how would you expect a third format to succeed without the
blessing of those content corporations in Hollywood? Are they going to
shoot their own films?[/quote] |
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Henry Padilla
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Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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My feeling as well. I've been looking into cameras for a couple of years
and someone always wants me to get an HD camera.
Until one of these guys wins (and I mean hands-down) there's no delivery
medium. And even then it'll take a couple of years for it to be adopted and
in most peoples homes.
So until most everyone is leaving because I can't do HD, I've got time.
Tom P.
"Steve Guidry" <steveguidry@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8YA2f.12740$QE1.2683@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
| Quote: | So what ?
If it's not the blu guys, then it will be someone else.
And - - like with all other formats - - when it gets established, and
proved
itself, and my customers start asking for it, THEN, and only then will I
buy it.
Steve
"Henry Padilla" <padillah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r8x2f.12$%d1.229529@news.sisna.com...
Looks like WB is going to back Blu-Ray. This will probably tip the
scales
on HD-DVD.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9610452/
MS has got to be ready to strangle someone.
Tom P.
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Henry Padilla
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Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Henry Padilla" <padillah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r8x2f.12$%d1.229529@news.sisna.com...
Looks like WB is going to back Blu-Ray. This will probably tip the
scales on HD-DVD.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9610452/
MS has got to be ready to strangle someone.
Tom P.
I think it's still too early to tell...but if current dvd disc can be
viewed in the new HD-DVD machines then I think that will be enough an
advantage to convince owners of current large dvd disc collections to buy
a new HD-DVD system, rather than a new machine and have two incompatible
dvd collections and 2 machines in their system.
But then again, maybe Blu-Ray machines will be able to read older dvd
discs? I thought not but could it be possible?
And if not, maybe they can sell a unit with two slide out draws, one for
dvd and one for BD. That might work.
Bigger storage is a good selling point also for me, so it's too close to
call for me yet.
AnthonyR.
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But if none of the studios produce movies on HD-DVD then what good is it?
I have a fine DVD player right now. This would be a separate product. If
it played DVD's too that would be great, but I wouldn't by it just for that
reason. Besides, I heard that some of the hardware manufacturers are
putting the red laser on the other side from the blue and it works fine.
I've even heard that some are trying to get the groves to overlap, but one
will be too big for the blue laser to see and too small for the red laser to
use so you can get both formats on one disk. So maybe they will be
compatible |
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William Davis
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Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:26 am Post subject:
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In article <11klo82agv00uac@corp.supernews.com>,
"Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Tarkus" <karnevil9@beer.com> wrote in message
news:xlofjwgubjxo.dlg@tarkus.karnevil9.com...
On 10/10/2005 10:02:59 AM, Henry Padilla wrote:
Looks like WB is going to back Blu-Ray. This will probably tip the
scales on HD-DVD.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9610452/
MS has got to be ready to strangle someone.
Alpha?
Both Blu Ray and HD DVD will fail as they are currently conceived. Mark my
words.....both will undergo modification, particularly to remove the Big
Brother copy protection envisioned (especially by Blu Ray).
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I don't know about "fail" but I suspect that as this generation of kids
progress through the industry, there'll be a split between the 'sold'
content and the 'collected' content camps.
For a large slice of the market, the "sold" guys will continue to rely
on mechanical gizmos and copy protection.
Underneath that, you'll find a continuing, robust and ever shifting
electronic game conceived along the lines of some permutation of the bit
torrent concept - where people exchange the content they like - in
whatever whatever "definition" they enjoy - totally without regard for
any of the legal niceities.
If a content provider makes it easier to "play legal" like Apple did
with iTunes (now with VIDEO!) in a model that includes both hardware AND
software accessibility in a simple, workable model with extras (user
ratings, tips, mixes, etc) that will do well.
But all the traditional "disc" formats are just fingers in the dikes of
the reality of the current world of digital content distribution.
They just don't understand that the whole damn technology is shifting
out from under them by the hour.
Mikey (now 13) wanted some music from a band not on iTunes so I took him
shopping to a bricks and mortar music store. Whoever made the decision
not to license to iTunes made him leave his house, physically travel to
the mall, buy a piece of round plastic encased in MORE plastic -
"protected" but MORE plastic that he cursed while opening - than ripped
to his iPod and promptly consigned all the plastic crap INCLUDING the CD
to the landfill - and charged him almost double ($17) for the privilege
Nice business model. |
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