Andre Jute
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:41 am Post subject:
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Ian Iveson wrote:
| Quote: | "Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote
And your point is? -- Andre Jute
A language evolves, unless it is stuck in a cultural backwater.
Americans use a more advanced form of English in speech, and this is
increasingly reflected in the way they write. It's silly trying to
tell them how to use their own language.
cheers, Ian
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You should stick to obfuscation, what you call dialectics, Iveson. Not
that you are much chop at it (1), being more of a closet reformist
because you don't have the stomach for squishy eyeballs underfoot that
revolutions inevitably entail (I know, I have been in several
revolutions on one side or the other and sometimes on both; they're not
events you want to schedule around mealtimes).
I've many times demonstrated that as a historian you stink. You can't
even be relied on for a straightforward list of the facts on Soviet
Communism, about which I know about ten miles of fourlayer filing
cabinets more than you do. Now we see that as a linguist, you stink.
Americans in particular do not have "a more advanced form of English",
they speak a retrograde form of the vernacular stuck at the Plymouth
rock in the 17th century. One can hear the purest form of Quaker
English today in Boston. American pronunciation, mocked by the
instinctive America-haters on the left, is the actually a throwback to
the way the English spoke three hundred years ago.
Since I'm an old-fashioned King James Version stylist, there is
absolutely no reason for me not to expect from John, an old-school
Canadian, a similar respect for the language. You're the one who's
off-beam here, not me.
Andre Jute
(1) Even dialectic obfuscation I do better than you. Compare my note
to your the other day with your limp, transparent, efforts:
"Okay, maybe my first response to Ian was a little harsh. Instead of
just throwing up my hands and saying, Oh, fuck, not that again, I could
if I were stroked argue that Marx's model of postdialectic
deappropriation holds that culture, perhaps ironically, has objective
value, given that the premise of postcapitalist materialist theory is
invalid. In that sense, anyway; after all, Sontag uses the term
'dialectic neomaterialist theory' to denote the failure of presemiotic
sexual identity ("oh, fuck"? "stroked" definitely). Any number of
theories concerning textual narrative may be revealed. Ian's may be
valid. However, if constructivism holds, in environmental
interpretation we have to choose between the neoconceptualist paradigm
of context and cultural capitalism. -- Andre Jute"
If you were honest, you would have to admit that my par is not only ten
miles more leftwing than anything you ever sent to RAT but is so
totally impenetrable as to send even the best-intentioned searcher
after a singular meaning away crying in frustration -- and screw him
too for being so narrowminded as to desire a single meaning. But there
is a singular analysis lurking to be discovered by the truly nimble.
The clue is in Sontag, and Freud might help. I noticed you walked a
cowardly berth around my commie-trap. Probably wise, for you.
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John Stewart
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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John Byrns wrote:
| Quote: | In article <fTS%e.46834$iW5.45333@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Ian Iveson"
IanIveson.home@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
"Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128217598.417470.233380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
PS I hope I don't sound insufferably snotty, John, but after you
authored several articles for publishing, isn't it time to move on
to
writing an article? No real writer calls himself an author, no
real
writer would be seen dead turning a noun into a verb, no real
writer
even then would use it in the passive mode. (One might say that
the
passive mode and the appeal to authority gives away your
engineering
faculty education.) If a writer writes an article, it is presumed
to be
for publication, so that the phrase "for publication" is a
tautology
which gives away that your article was not commissioned (i.e. paid
for
up front, before you wrote it, as all mine are). And that's just
the
title... Welcome to the wonderful world of writers, John, where
every
word is freighted with a truckload of meaning.
He's American, clot.
To me it is obvious that Canadians are also Americans although some
Canadians seem to take offense at being called Americans, I don't know if
John is one of them though.
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No offense at all. After a few years at HP my local friends started to say I
was sounding different. I had picked up the California Hitech accent, whatever
that is. Think I still have some of that. Over the years I've had a lot of
interface with many American companies besides HP. Strange what that does to
you speech. But not far from the US here anyway. Less than a 2 hour drive &
you are there. Almost moved down in the early 60's. Had a job offer to work on
Illiac at the U of Illinois. But after going thru most of the paperwork, I
backed off. I didn't like the idea of two sons going off to fight a war in SE
Asia!
Now again yanked out of retirement, this time around I will be interfacing
with the guys in Wichita (formerly IFR, now Aeroflex). I know quite a few of
the guys at the factory.
I gotta be nutz! Cheers, John Stewart
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Stewart Pinkerton
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:59 am Post subject:
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:26:35 GMT, "Ian Iveson"
<IanIveson.home@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | "John Byrns" <jbyrns@rcn.com> wrote
To me it is obvious that Canadians are also Americans although
some
Canadians seem to take offense at being called Americans, I don't
know if
John is one of them though.
I wasn't thinking of the USA. Perhaps I should have said "North
American".
Does Canada have a different form of English from the USA?
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Eet certanelee does, eh?
| Quote: | Never thought much about it. We don't hear much from Canada here.
It's just a frozen wasteland on the way to Alaska, right? A few
proper Americans and the odd troublesome Frenchman.
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And lots of proper Canadians from Scotland! :-)
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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