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John Stewart
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:53 pm Post subject:
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I found authoring these several articles over the past few years to
be quite different than writing an engineering report or a sales
proposal. It seems that when people buy a magazine they want to be
entertained. One needs to write in such a way that the readers
attention is held.
And there is a need to be careful as well not to offend those who
are buying advertising space.
Finally, how does one write so that the information will be
understandable to most?
All in all, it has been a learning experience for me!! There is a
bit of money in it but by no means a living. Just satisfaction.
Others may not agree. But these are my thoughts,
anyway! Cheers, John Stewart
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Mark Harriss
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject:
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John Stewart wrote:
| Quote: | I found authoring these several articles over the past few years to
be quite different than writing an engineering report or a sales
proposal. It seems that when people buy a magazine they want to be
entertained. One needs to write in such a way that the readers
attention is held.
And there is a need to be careful as well not to offend those who
are buying advertising space.
Finally, how does one write so that the information will be
understandable to most?
All in all, it has been a learning experience for me!! There is a
bit of money in it but by no means a living. Just satisfaction.
Others may not agree. But these are my thoughts,
anyway! Cheers, John Stewart
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How does it compare?, do you cover cost of materials or is it a
loss?.
Regards
Mark |
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Johnson
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject:
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"John Stewart" <jh.stewart@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I found authoring these several articles over the past few years to
be quite different than writing an engineering report or a sales
proposal. It seems that when people buy a magazine they want to be
SNIP
Others may not agree. But these are my thoughts,
anyway! Cheers, John Stewart
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I have authored 3 articles in the past 2 years, edited 2 articles which
appeared in peer-review scientific journals -- but I have also written
prospectuses for stock offerings, marketing presentations and
power-points -- this is what happens when you train in the sciences
undergrad, but have to get a real job to put the kids through college and
pay the lease on the Durango. At my computer table where I do CAD I also
have a copy of Turabian's "Manual of Style" and "Strunk and White".
"Brevity is the soul of wit" but wit is the leaven of good writing. |
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west
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:11 pm Post subject:
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"John Stewart" <jh.stewart@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:433E6A97.4D43EDED@sympatico.ca...
| Quote: | I found authoring these several articles over the past few years to
be quite different than writing an engineering report or a sales
proposal. It seems that when people buy a magazine they want to be
entertained. One needs to write in such a way that the readers
attention is held.
And there is a need to be careful as well not to offend those who
are buying advertising space.
Finally, how does one write so that the information will be
understandable to most?
All in all, it has been a learning experience for me!! There is a
bit of money in it but by no means a living. Just satisfaction.
Others may not agree. But these are my thoughts,
anyway! Cheers, John Stewart
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John,
I can only speak for myself, John. I subscribe to various magazines,
journals, etc. to learn, which is entertainment for me. When I do mandatory
reading for my profession, it's entirely different. Then I read to learn,
but it's not always entertaining. Your various articles in AudioXpress have
always been very informative & thus entertaining for me. I hope that you
somehow find the time to keep up the good works. Life is simply too short
not to.
west
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Andre Jute
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
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PPS Sent from the Land of Literature, where Nice is a Name on a Map. --
AJ
Andre Jute wrote:
| Quote: | PS I hope I don't sound insufferably snotty, John, but after you
authored several articles for publishing, isn't it time to move on to
writing an article? No real writer calls himself an author, no real
writer would be seen dead turning a noun into a verb, no real writer
even then would use it in the passive mode. (One might say that the
passive mode and the appeal to authority gives away your engineering
faculty education.) If a writer writes an article, it is presumed to be
for publication, so that the phrase "for publication" is a tautology
which gives away that your article was not commissioned (i.e. paid for
up front, before you wrote it, as all mine are). And that's just the
title... Welcome to the wonderful world of writers, John, where every
word is freighted with a truckload of meaning. -- Andre Jute
Andre Jute wrote:
John Stewart wrote:
I found authoring these several articles over the past few years to
be quite different than writing an engineering report or a sales
proposal. It seems that when people buy a magazine they want to be
entertained. One needs to write in such a way that the readers
attention is held.
And there is a need to be careful as well not to offend those who
are buying advertising space.
Finally, how does one write so that the information will be
understandable to most?
All in all, it has been a learning experience for me!! There is a
bit of money in it but by no means a living. Just satisfaction.
Others may not agree. But these are my thoughts,
anyway! Cheers, John Stewart
I don't imagine there is much of a living to be made writing about
electronics, unless you write college textbooks. Certainly, Joe Roberts
of Sound Practices wanted me to write free of charge, which of course I
wouldn't do.
John makes an often overlooked point about even the little techie
magazines seeking entertaining writers. One electronics hobby magazine
group was so desperate to have just one good writer that it paid me
about seven times what it paid everyone else, which still wasn't
caviare country. The owner also offered me an editorship for a salary
that would probably see him jailed in a decent country for breaking the
slave-wage laws.
If you want to make a modest sort of a buck out of writing about hi-fi,
the glossy review magazines are keen on entertaining stylists who know
a little elecronics. Note where the emphasis falls.
If you despise the hi-fi glossies (I don't, they have their place), a
more respectable income can be more respectably earned in reviewing
music of whatever genre you like. When I switched from vinyl to CD, I
reviewed classical music on record for a few years until I had a
collection of 6000 discs; syndicating those columns made me the
best-read music critic in the world and added up to respectable money.
Still, as an hourly rate it probably wouldn't light up a lawyer's eyes,
but I enjoyed it.
No journalism really pays. If you want to be a writer, what pays is
textbooks and thrillers, and pop song lyrics. If you can write
exceedingly well and want the routine of going daily to a smart office,
advertising copywriting is very highly paid. (I once hired a dyslexic
as a copywriter for the present equivalent of a half a million bucks, a
house with two pools, cars for him and his wife of course, private
schooling for his kid, etc, because I was told he was a super
copywriter. When I caught up on guy who sold me this crippled pup, I
screwed him permanently into the gutter. I also manipulated my chief
competitor into stealing the crippled pup from us...) Also highly
lucrative but more difficult to get your foot in the door: creating
characters and situations for TV serials (writing the actual episodes
is hard and very frustrating work). I've worked in the theatre but most
of the good guys (writers, producers and directors) in staged drama
drift rather quickly into television and films. In both of those I
found it more lucrative and interesting to be elsewhere (1): television
skills pay better in advertising and music videos, and being in
management in films is much more exciting (if also more wearing) than
being a screenwriter or script editor. One well-paid and very
satisfying sort of work for politically committed or very mercenary
writers is to be advisors and speechwriters to pols, and of course
ghostwriting books for pols is very lucrative work.
The problem with writing for hobbyist magazines is that so many people
think they have a right to tell you what to say and how to say it. The
newspapers and magazines I generally write for can afford to ignore
readers who want to pick nits but niche market and hobby magazines
can't afford to ignore one subscriber or one mickey mouse advertiser.
The more you're paid for journalism, the more immune you are to such
pressures; that has nothing to do with the intrinsic value of what you
write but with the size and wealth of the media you write for.
Still and all, the key thing about being able to write well is that it
takes you to interesting places and carries you into interesting
situations and introduces you to interesting people, and when all of
that palls, you can write novels in some agreeable place...
Andre Jute
Literate, very
(1) Also more pleasing to be elsewhere; in particular, not to be in the
same place as the exceedingly tiresome inferiority complexes and petty
dramas of the actors. |
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Andre Jute
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
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PS I hope I don't sound insufferably snotty, John, but after you
authored several articles for publishing, isn't it time to move on to
writing an article? No real writer calls himself an author, no real
writer would be seen dead turning a noun into a verb, no real writer
even then would use it in the passive mode. (One might say that the
passive mode and the appeal to authority gives away your engineering
faculty education.) If a writer writes an article, it is presumed to be
for publication, so that the phrase "for publication" is a tautology
which gives away that your article was not commissioned (i.e. paid for
up front, before you wrote it, as all mine are). And that's just the
title... Welcome to the wonderful world of writers, John, where every
word is freighted with a truckload of meaning. -- Andre Jute
Andre Jute wrote:
| Quote: | John Stewart wrote:
I found authoring these several articles over the past few years to
be quite different than writing an engineering report or a sales
proposal. It seems that when people buy a magazine they want to be
entertained. One needs to write in such a way that the readers
attention is held.
And there is a need to be careful as well not to offend those who
are buying advertising space.
Finally, how does one write so that the information will be
understandable to most?
All in all, it has been a learning experience for me!! There is a
bit of money in it but by no means a living. Just satisfaction.
Others may not agree. But these are my thoughts,
anyway! Cheers, John Stewart
I don't imagine there is much of a living to be made writing about
electronics, unless you write college textbooks. Certainly, Joe Roberts
of Sound Practices wanted me to write free of charge, which of course I
wouldn't do.
John makes an often overlooked point about even the little techie
magazines seeking entertaining writers. One electronics hobby magazine
group was so desperate to have just one good writer that it paid me
about seven times what it paid everyone else, which still wasn't
caviare country. The owner also offered me an editorship for a salary
that would probably see him jailed in a decent country for breaking the
slave-wage laws.
If you want to make a modest sort of a buck out of writing about hi-fi,
the glossy review magazines are keen on entertaining stylists who know
a little elecronics. Note where the emphasis falls.
If you despise the hi-fi glossies (I don't, they have their place), a
more respectable income can be more respectably earned in reviewing
music of whatever genre you like. When I switched from vinyl to CD, I
reviewed classical music on record for a few years until I had a
collection of 6000 discs; syndicating those columns made me the
best-read music critic in the world and added up to respectable money.
Still, as an hourly rate it probably wouldn't light up a lawyer's eyes,
but I enjoyed it.
No journalism really pays. If you want to be a writer, what pays is
textbooks and thrillers, and pop song lyrics. If you can write
exceedingly well and want the routine of going daily to a smart office,
advertising copywriting is very highly paid. (I once hired a dyslexic
as a copywriter for the present equivalent of a half a million bucks, a
house with two pools, cars for him and his wife of course, private
schooling for his kid, etc, because I was told he was a super
copywriter. When I caught up on guy who sold me this crippled pup, I
screwed him permanently into the gutter. I also manipulated my chief
competitor into stealing the crippled pup from us...) Also highly
lucrative but more difficult to get your foot in the door: creating
characters and situations for TV serials (writing the actual episodes
is hard and very frustrating work). I've worked in the theatre but most
of the good guys (writers, producers and directors) in staged drama
drift rather quickly into television and films. In both of those I
found it more lucrative and interesting to be elsewhere (1): television
skills pay better in advertising and music videos, and being in
management in films is much more exciting (if also more wearing) than
being a screenwriter or script editor. One well-paid and very
satisfying sort of work for politically committed or very mercenary
writers is to be advisors and speechwriters to pols, and of course
ghostwriting books for pols is very lucrative work.
The problem with writing for hobbyist magazines is that so many people
think they have a right to tell you what to say and how to say it. The
newspapers and magazines I generally write for can afford to ignore
readers who want to pick nits but niche market and hobby magazines
can't afford to ignore one subscriber or one mickey mouse advertiser.
The more you're paid for journalism, the more immune you are to such
pressures; that has nothing to do with the intrinsic value of what you
write but with the size and wealth of the media you write for.
Still and all, the key thing about being able to write well is that it
takes you to interesting places and carries you into interesting
situations and introduces you to interesting people, and when all of
that palls, you can write novels in some agreeable place...
Andre Jute
Literate, very
(1) Also more pleasing to be elsewhere; in particular, not to be in the
same place as the exceedingly tiresome inferiority complexes and petty
dramas of the actors. |
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Andre Jute
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
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John Stewart wrote:
| Quote: | I found authoring these several articles over the past few years to
be quite different than writing an engineering report or a sales
proposal. It seems that when people buy a magazine they want to be
entertained. One needs to write in such a way that the readers
attention is held.
And there is a need to be careful as well not to offend those who
are buying advertising space.
Finally, how does one write so that the information will be
understandable to most?
All in all, it has been a learning experience for me!! There is a
bit of money in it but by no means a living. Just satisfaction.
Others may not agree. But these are my thoughts,
anyway! Cheers, John Stewart
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I don't imagine there is much of a living to be made writing about
electronics, unless you write college textbooks. Certainly, Joe Roberts
of Sound Practices wanted me to write free of charge, which of course I
wouldn't do.
John makes an often overlooked point about even the little techie
magazines seeking entertaining writers. One electronics hobby magazine
group was so desperate to have just one good writer that it paid me
about seven times what it paid everyone else, which still wasn't
caviare country. The owner also offered me an editorship for a salary
that would probably see him jailed in a decent country for breaking the
slave-wage laws.
If you want to make a modest sort of a buck out of writing about hi-fi,
the glossy review magazines are keen on entertaining stylists who know
a little elecronics. Note where the emphasis falls.
If you despise the hi-fi glossies (I don't, they have their place), a
more respectable income can be more respectably earned in reviewing
music of whatever genre you like. When I switched from vinyl to CD, I
reviewed classical music on record for a few years until I had a
collection of 6000 discs; syndicating those columns made me the
best-read music critic in the world and added up to respectable money.
Still, as an hourly rate it probably wouldn't light up a lawyer's eyes,
but I enjoyed it.
No journalism really pays. If you want to be a writer, what pays is
textbooks and thrillers, and pop song lyrics. If you can write
exceedingly well and want the routine of going daily to a smart office,
advertising copywriting is very highly paid. (I once hired a dyslexic
as a copywriter for the present equivalent of a half a million bucks, a
house with two pools, cars for him and his wife of course, private
schooling for his kid, etc, because I was told he was a super
copywriter. When I caught up on guy who sold me this crippled pup, I
screwed him permanently into the gutter. I also manipulated my chief
competitor into stealing the crippled pup from us...) Also highly
lucrative but more difficult to get your foot in the door: creating
characters and situations for TV serials (writing the actual episodes
is hard and very frustrating work). I've worked in the theatre but most
of the good guys (writers, producers and directors) in staged drama
drift rather quickly into television and films. In both of those I
found it more lucrative and interesting to be elsewhere (1): television
skills pay better in advertising and music videos, and being in
management in films is much more exciting (if also more wearing) than
being a screenwriter or script editor. One well-paid and very
satisfying sort of work for politically committed or very mercenary
writers is to be advisors and speechwriters to pols, and of course
ghostwriting books for pols is very lucrative work.
The problem with writing for hobbyist magazines is that so many people
think they have a right to tell you what to say and how to say it. The
newspapers and magazines I generally write for can afford to ignore
readers who want to pick nits but niche market and hobby magazines
can't afford to ignore one subscriber or one mickey mouse advertiser.
The more you're paid for journalism, the more immune you are to such
pressures; that has nothing to do with the intrinsic value of what you
write but with the size and wealth of the media you write for.
Still and all, the key thing about being able to write well is that it
takes you to interesting places and carries you into interesting
situations and introduces you to interesting people, and when all of
that palls, you can write novels in some agreeable place...
Andre Jute
Literate, very
(1) Also more pleasing to be elsewhere; in particular, not to be in the
same place as the exceedingly tiresome inferiority complexes and petty
dramas of the actors. |
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Ian Iveson
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"Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128217598.417470.233380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | PS I hope I don't sound insufferably snotty, John, but after you
authored several articles for publishing, isn't it time to move on
to
writing an article? No real writer calls himself an author, no
real
writer would be seen dead turning a noun into a verb, no real
writer
even then would use it in the passive mode. (One might say that
the
passive mode and the appeal to authority gives away your
engineering
faculty education.) If a writer writes an article, it is presumed
to be
for publication, so that the phrase "for publication" is a
tautology
which gives away that your article was not commissioned (i.e. paid
for
up front, before you wrote it, as all mine are). And that's just
the
title... Welcome to the wonderful world of writers, John, where
every
word is freighted with a truckload of meaning.
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He's American, clot.
cheers, Ian |
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John Stewart
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject:
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John Stewart wrote:
| Quote: | I found authoring these several articles over the past few years to
be quite different than writing an engineering report or a sales
proposal. It seems that when people buy a magazine they want to be
entertained. One needs to write in such a way that the readers
attention is held.
And there is a need to be careful as well not to offend those who
are buying advertising space.
Finally, how does one write so that the information will be
understandable to most?
All in all, it has been a learning experience for me!! There is a
bit of money in it but by no means a living. Just satisfaction.
Others may not agree. But these are my thoughts,
anyway! Cheers, John Stewart
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Most everyone of the regulars here & some no longer participating have
made some kind of contribution to the art. All of us need to realize
that each goes in his own particular direction. For myself that means
very good performance of my circuits but at a reasonable cost. I don't
think we will attract many new folks to the hobby by pushing expensive
circuitry which sometimes includes exotic, boutique style components &
expectations that are unrealistic. Better to offer something that can
be done easily by many. Having said that, if someone would like to
invest a little more in better components in the circuits I've offered
in these articles then he should experience an improvement in
performance.
I have another three circuits in mind. But they will have to wait.
Cheers, John Stewart |
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John Byrns
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In article <fTS%e.46834$iW5.45333@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Ian Iveson"
<IanIveson.home@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | "Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128217598.417470.233380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
PS I hope I don't sound insufferably snotty, John, but after you
authored several articles for publishing, isn't it time to move on
to
writing an article? No real writer calls himself an author, no
real
writer would be seen dead turning a noun into a verb, no real
writer
even then would use it in the passive mode. (One might say that
the
passive mode and the appeal to authority gives away your
engineering
faculty education.) If a writer writes an article, it is presumed
to be
for publication, so that the phrase "for publication" is a
tautology
which gives away that your article was not commissioned (i.e. paid
for
up front, before you wrote it, as all mine are). And that's just
the
title... Welcome to the wonderful world of writers, John, where
every
word is freighted with a truckload of meaning.
He's American, clot.
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To me it is obvious that Canadians are also Americans although some
Canadians seem to take offense at being called Americans, I don't know if
John is one of them though.
Regards,
John Byrns
Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ |
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Andre Jute
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Ian Iveson wrote:
| Quote: | "Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128217598.417470.233380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
PS I hope I don't sound insufferably snotty, John, but after you
authored several articles for publishing, isn't it time to move on
to
writing an article? No real writer calls himself an author, no
real
writer would be seen dead turning a noun into a verb, no real
writer
even then would use it in the passive mode. (One might say that
the
passive mode and the appeal to authority gives away your
engineering
faculty education.) If a writer writes an article, it is presumed
to be
for publication, so that the phrase "for publication" is a
tautology
which gives away that your article was not commissioned (i.e. paid
for
up front, before you wrote it, as all mine are). And that's just
the
title... Welcome to the wonderful world of writers, John, where
every
word is freighted with a truckload of meaning.
He's American, clot.
cheers, Ian
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Sander deWaal
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Mr. Jute said:
| Quote: | ... Welcome to the wonderful world of writers, John, where
every word is freighted with a truckload of meaning.
He's American, clot.
And your point is?
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In American English, words are *not* freighted with a truckload of
meaning?
<grin>
--
"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005 |
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Ian Iveson
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"Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote
| Quote: | And your point is? -- Andre Jute
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A language evolves, unless it is stuck in a cultural backwater.
Americans use a more advanced form of English in speech, and this is
increasingly reflected in the way they write. It's silly trying to
tell them how to use their own language.
cheers, Ian |
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Ian Iveson
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"John Byrns" <jbyrns@rcn.com> wrote
| Quote: | To me it is obvious that Canadians are also Americans although
some
Canadians seem to take offense at being called Americans, I don't
know if
John is one of them though.
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I wasn't thinking of the USA. Perhaps I should have said "North
American".
Does Canada have a different form of English from the USA?
Never thought much about it. We don't hear much from Canada here.
It's just a frozen wasteland on the way to Alaska, right? A few
proper Americans and the odd troublesome Frenchman.
Foreign policy seems quite sensible, considering.
cheers, Ian |
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Andre Jute
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The British are really good at divided influence. For instance, they
now de facto share influence in Northern Ireland with the Irish
government in Dublin. And they have long quietly conceded the Americans
an overriding influence in the largest American protectorate, Canada.
Most English-speaking Canadians hardly notice, except the tiny, loud
minority of powerless loonie lefties who screech anti-Americanism. Of
course French Canadians are somewhat more opposed but they don't matter
much, among other reasons because France doesn't matter much. The first
sentence above tells you that the mantle of diplomatic leadership,
always claimed but rarely possessed by the French, belongs to the
British. It always has, actually; that is why Napoleon, who surely knew
that a diplomat is a man who lies for his country, called the British
"perfidious" (1).
I hope this smooths international relations somewhat.
Andre Jute
(1) I have always read "perfidious Albion" more narrowly as
"treacherous English" but a cousin who is a historian at Cambridge says
Napoleon could get apoplectic about certain Scots and Welshmen too, and
of course Wellesley, later Duke of Wellington, Napoleon's nemesis, was
an Irishman.
John Byrns wrote:
| Quote: | In article <fTS%e.46834$iW5.45333@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, "Ian Iveson"
IanIveson.home@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
"Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128217598.417470.233380@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
PS I hope I don't sound insufferably snotty, John, but after you
authored several articles for publishing, isn't it time to move on
to
writing an article? No real writer calls himself an author, no
real
writer would be seen dead turning a noun into a verb, no real
writer
even then would use it in the passive mode. (One might say that
the
passive mode and the appeal to authority gives away your
engineering
faculty education.) If a writer writes an article, it is presumed
to be
for publication, so that the phrase "for publication" is a
tautology
which gives away that your article was not commissioned (i.e. paid
for
up front, before you wrote it, as all mine are). And that's just
the
title... Welcome to the wonderful world of writers, John, where
every
word is freighted with a truckload of meaning.
He's American, clot.
To me it is obvious that Canadians are also Americans although some
Canadians seem to take offense at being called Americans, I don't know if
John is one of them though.
Regards,
John Byrns
Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ |
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