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Scott Gardner
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:17:27 -0500, bob36swmla@webtv.net (bob wald)
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| Quote: | i know all that all ready....jethro
dohhhhh....but they can improve...
you make 800000 amps.you gota learn something....
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These manufacturing companies may make 80,000 amps, but they aren't in
the business of advancing the state of the art - they're in the
business of taking another's company's specifications, and producing
the amps for them as cheaply as possible to maximize profits without
having too many of them come back broken.
The "Chiang Wu" manufacturing company in China isn't interested in
improving the design, because that's not what they're paid to do. Any
improvements they make involve increasing the efficiency of their
manufacturing process, not making changes to the design of the
amplifier itself. You can give them a shitty amplifier design, and
they'll happily crank out 100,000 of them in the most efficient and
cost-effective manner possible - they don't give a crap whether it's a
good design or not.
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Scott Gardner
I'm all out of altitude, airspeed, and ideas..."
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bob wald
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject:
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scott..i am a professional...i bought 4 amps 3 yrs ago at 30% cheaper
shipping.....you see most everything goes up.....n the amps were cheaper
too.....
also those clarion eqs must be selling out that model...no more for
you. next yr..too bad..... |
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bob wald
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:04 pm Post subject:
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i'm sure 6-7 people here are ordering this...thats why wanted to get my
order in before i start telling about it....
if its a nice eq now itll be nice in 2007..... |
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bob wald
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject:
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first..800 000 amps..next if theyre total garbage no1 will buy
it.....soundstorm..... |
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Scott Gardner
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:59:24 -0500, bob36swmla@webtv.net (bob wald)
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| Quote: | scott..i am a professional...i bought 4 amps 3 yrs ago at 30% cheaper
shipping.....you see most everything goes up.....n the amps were cheaper
too.....
also those clarion eqs must be selling out that model...no more for
you. next yr..too bad.....
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Bob, what colour is the sky in your world?? Here on planet Earth,
consumer electronics prices never go anywhere but *down* over the long
haul, even without adjusting for inflation. If you do adjust for
inflation, the prices are practically plummeting.
Look through old Usenet posts and see what the typical price-per-watt
for amplifiers was ten years ago.
Head units are the same way. Today, you have to try real hard to find
a CD player that sells for more than $375. (I'm not talking about DVD
players or nav systems, just CD players).
In the late 80's, you would have had a hard time finding a CD player
for LESS than $375, and with inflation, $375 in 1986 dollars is more
than $520 today.
So, whether or not you adjust for infaltion, even the most-expensive
units today are cheaper than the cheapest units twenty years ago.
And for amplifiers, if you've been around car audio as long as you
claim, surely you remember when $1/Watt was actually a *good* price.
Now, amplifiers have gotten so inexpensive that they're practically
commodity items.
And like I said in my other post, if Clarion is discontinuing the
EQS744, it's only because they're going to replace it with a better
unit at the same price point, so it still doesn't make any sense to
"stock up" now.
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Scott Gardner
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Scott Gardner
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:04:27 -0500, bob36swmla@webtv.net (bob wald)
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| Quote: | i'm sure 6-7 people here are ordering this...thats why wanted to get my
order in before i start telling about it....
if its a nice eq now itll be nice in 2007.....
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That's true - I've already said that it sounds like a good value for
the money. I just don't know why you're ordering *two* of them,
unless you're going to use both of them right away.
In 2007, you'll still be able to find either a new-in-box EQS744, or
an even newer version with more features, for the same $55-60, so it
doesn't make any sense to buy an extra one now if you're just going to
keep it as a spare.
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Scott Gardner
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Scott Gardner
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:23:57 -0500, bob36swmla@webtv.net (bob wald)
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| Quote: | first..800 000 amps..next if theyre total garbage no1 will buy
it.....soundstorm.....
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80,000, 800,000, whatever. It doesn't change the fact that since the
manufacturing plant doesn't make changes to the amplifier design
itself, they're basically just making the same amp 800,000 times.
They're experts in manufacturing processes, not amplifier design. I
also never said that the mass-produced amps were "total garbage" - I
just pointed out that if they are, the offshore manufacturers can't be
counted on to improve the design, since all they do is build the damn
things.
And as someone else has already pointed out, Soundstorm is just one of
a hundred companies that pay overseas manufacturers to make products
with their logo on them. The best they can hope for is that someone
will mistake them for Soundstream.
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Scott Gardner
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but 'That's funny..." (Isaac Asimov) |
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bob wald
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:48 am Post subject:
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some1 said why i want 2 clarion eqs...because new better stuff will come
out..i guess you saying any company that comes out with new things
theyre way better than past amps, eqs etc...1 comes to mind ppi art
series must suk compared to todays hifonics,rf etc....... |
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MZ
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:03 am Post subject:
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"bob wald" <bob36swmla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:14636-434A3719-323@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net...
| Quote: | ive come across a soundstorm and swiss audio amps..look nice......
also i am wrestling with buying a second clarion
eqs744 while i can get it at $85 shipped...
also any1 know precision audio?????
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And this is the type of person the state's disability checks go to? |
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Scott Gardner
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:40 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:48:07 -0500, bob36swmla@webtv.net (bob wald)
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| Quote: | some1 said why i want 2 clarion eqs...because new better stuff will come
out..i guess you saying any company that comes out with new things
theyre way better than past amps, eqs etc...1 comes to mind ppi art
series must suk compared to todays hifonics,rf etc.......
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But the EQS744 hasn't proven itself to be a historic model, and
there's nothing to suggest that it ever will.
Buying an extra EQ to keep as a spare is like buying a spare
motherboard and CPU for your computer. By the time you need it, the
current offerings will almost certainly be faster, cheaper, and have
more features.
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Scott Gardner
"Discordianism: Where reality is a figment of your imagination." |
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bob wald
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:23 am Post subject:
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well then scotty.i guess il be a collectors item. worth big bucks
$$$$$$$ |
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I. Care
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:31 am Post subject:
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In article <5244-434AE9E9-95@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>,
bob36swmla@webtv.net says...
| Quote: | well then scotty.i guess il be a collectors item. worth big bucks
$$$$$$$
No you will have to pay someone to take it to the hazardous waste site. |
Electronics have hazardous material inside, lead in the solder (60/40 or
63/37) unless the very newest lead free type.
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I. Care
Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} |
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bob wald
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject:
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scott about prices..yes they have went down in the past but everything
does in cycles so prices should be heading up awhile...plus tey cant
keep going lower forever... |
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Scott Gardner
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:17:52 -0500, bob36swmla@webtv.net (bob wald)
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[quote]scott about prices..yes they have went down in the past but everything
does in cycles so prices should be heading up awhile...plus tey cant
keep going lower forever...
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Consumer electronics prices aren't cyclical - over time, the
price/performance ratio always goes down. There may be
short-duration "spikes" if there's a temporary shortage of a
particular model, but over the years, the trend is always down, never
up.
Although you're right that there is a "floor" for the price, that
"minimum price" buys you more and more power as the years go by. For
instance, we'll probably never be able to buy a complete home computer
system for less than about $250-300, but if you look at a typical $300
computer today, and compare it to a $300 system from two years ago,
that same $300 buys you a lot more power, storage, and features today
than it did in 2003.
Same with your equalizer. You may never be able to get a Clarion EQ
for less than $55, but in two years, whatever model is selling for $55
will probably include more features than the EQS744 does today.
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Scott Gardner
"If you sleep twelve hours a day, then the deployment will only be three months long, not six!" (Navy JO saying) |
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bob wald
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject:
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scott i guess in your world inflation doesnt exist...cost have always
outpaced rises in pay to the people..... |
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