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J. Frank Ferguson
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:45 am Post subject:
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I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new
grandson, I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic IEEE
card (TI chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video capture
(sound also) or do I need an IEEE card that is specifically made for
video capture?
Thanks
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J. Frank Ferguson
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
Re: IEEE card vs IEEE video capture |
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That's what I thought but I am not getting any sound once the data is
sent to the PC; only video. (the card is OHCI-compliant)
I am running XP with a Canon Optura 20 camera and have tried several
different programs with the same result. Is there a sound driver of
some sort that I am perhaps missing?
Thanks alot for the replies
PTravel wrote:
| Quote: | "J. Frank Ferguson" <ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
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I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new grandson,
I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic IEEE card (TI
chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video capture (sound also) or
do I need an IEEE card that is specifically made for video capture?
Thanks
As long as the card is OHCI-compliant (and most anything sold within the
last few years would be), it will work just fine.
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Mike Kujbida
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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Do you mean that you're not hearing audio during the capture (transfer)
process? If so, this is normal.
If you mean that you can't hear the audio once it's on the timeline, then
check the settings on your audio card and make sure that the appropriate
channels haven't been accidentally turned off.
Mike
J. Frank Ferguson wrote:
| Quote: | That's what I thought but I am not getting any sound once the data is
sent to the PC; only video. (the card is OHCI-compliant)
I am running XP with a Canon Optura 20 camera and have tried several
different programs with the same result. Is there a sound driver of
some sort that I am perhaps missing?
Thanks alot for the replies
PTravel wrote:
"J. Frank Ferguson" <ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:x8__e.98721$Ph4.3101691@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new
grandson, I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic
IEEE card (TI chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video
capture (sound also) or do I need an IEEE card that is specifically
made for video capture?
Thanks
As long as the card is OHCI-compliant (and most anything sold within
the last few years would be), it will work just fine. |
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Donald Link
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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I have 3 grandkids and have made dozens of dvd movies. I use a
firewire capture using the normal card in the computer and Studio 9
Plus and all prior versions. I capture, do a edit with menus,
transition, etc. Then burn right from the program. It really pays to
read the manual to save a lot of aggrivation. Trial and error will
make you very good in the end. Just make sure you have a big and fast
hard drive (7200rpm and not 5400), In fact Studio will test your hard
drive and let you know if it is fast enough. Even better is to
install a 2nd hard drive (a 200 gig is cheap on sale) to do the
editing and capture on. Patience will reap a ton of rewards. Try a
simple movie and work your way up and when you play the final dvd on
the tv you will understand why you do it. When your grandchildren
have kids they will be able to visual follow family history. Also
make note that most editing goes quite quickly, but the rendering of a
full dvd with heavy editing can take many hours even with a very fast
computer. The best way to do it is to stick a blank dvd in the burner
and then tell Studio to make the movie and go to bed.
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:45:49 GMT, "J. Frank Ferguson"
<ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new
grandson, I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic IEEE
card (TI chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video capture
(sound also) or do I need an IEEE card that is specifically made for
video capture?
Thanks |
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PTravel
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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"J. Frank Ferguson" <ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new grandson,
I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic IEEE card (TI
chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video capture (sound also) or
do I need an IEEE card that is specifically made for video capture?
Thanks
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As long as the card is OHCI-compliant (and most anything sold within the
last few years would be), it will work just fine. |
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Krazy Kanuck
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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That should work just fine....
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"J. Frank Ferguson" <ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new grandson,
I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic IEEE card (TI
chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video capture (sound also) or
do I need an IEEE card that is specifically made for video capture?
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J. Frank Ferguson
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject:
Re: IEEE card vs IEEE video capture |
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I hear the audio from the camera while transfering but the audio track
is not present on the playback on the PC.
You say "audio card"' does it have anything to do with the capture
process if I'm using firewire?
Thanks
Frank
Mike Kujbida wrote:
| Quote: | Do you mean that you're not hearing audio during the capture (transfer)
process? If so, this is normal.
If you mean that you can't hear the audio once it's on the timeline, then
check the settings on your audio card and make sure that the appropriate
channels haven't been accidentally turned off.
Mike
J. Frank Ferguson wrote:
That's what I thought but I am not getting any sound once the data is
sent to the PC; only video. (the card is OHCI-compliant)
I am running XP with a Canon Optura 20 camera and have tried several
different programs with the same result. Is there a sound driver of
some sort that I am perhaps missing?
Thanks alot for the replies
PTravel wrote:
"J. Frank Ferguson" <ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:x8__e.98721$Ph4.3101691@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new
grandson, I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic
IEEE card (TI chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video
capture (sound also) or do I need an IEEE card that is specifically
made for video capture?
Thanks
As long as the card is OHCI-compliant (and most anything sold within
the last few years would be), it will work just fine.
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Jona Vark
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject:
Re: IEEE card vs IEEE video capture |
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Firewire contains both audio and video.
p
"J. Frank Ferguson" <ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I hear the audio from the camera while transfering but the audio track
is not present on the playback on the PC.
You say "audio card"' does it have anything to do with the capture
process if I'm using firewire?
Thanks
Frank
Mike Kujbida wrote:
Do you mean that you're not hearing audio during the capture (transfer)
process? If so, this is normal.
If you mean that you can't hear the audio once it's on the timeline,
then
check the settings on your audio card and make sure that the appropriate
channels haven't been accidentally turned off.
Mike
J. Frank Ferguson wrote:
That's what I thought but I am not getting any sound once the data is
sent to the PC; only video. (the card is OHCI-compliant)
I am running XP with a Canon Optura 20 camera and have tried several
different programs with the same result. Is there a sound driver of
some sort that I am perhaps missing?
Thanks alot for the replies
PTravel wrote:
"J. Frank Ferguson" <ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:x8__e.98721$Ph4.3101691@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new
grandson, I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic
IEEE card (TI chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video
capture (sound also) or do I need an IEEE card that is specifically
made for video capture?
Thanks
As long as the card is OHCI-compliant (and most anything sold within
the last few years would be), it will work just fine.
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:03 am Post subject:
Re: IEEE card vs IEEE video capture |
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J. Frank Ferguson wrote:
| Quote: | I hear the audio from the camera while transfering but the audio track
is not present on the playback on the PC.
You say "audio card"' does it have anything to do with the capture
process if I'm using firewire?
Thanks
Frank
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It has nothing to do with the capture process, but you need one if you
want to hear the audio when you play the captured video. How are you
playing it?
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Mike Kujbida wrote:
Do you mean that you're not hearing audio during the capture (transfer)
process? If so, this is normal.
If you mean that you can't hear the audio once it's on the timeline, then
check the settings on your audio card and make sure that the appropriate
channels haven't been accidentally turned off.
Mike
J. Frank Ferguson wrote:
That's what I thought but I am not getting any sound once the data is
sent to the PC; only video. (the card is OHCI-compliant)
I am running XP with a Canon Optura 20 camera and have tried several
different programs with the same result. Is there a sound driver of
some sort that I am perhaps missing?
Thanks alot for the replies
PTravel wrote:
"J. Frank Ferguson" <ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:x8__e.98721$Ph4.3101691@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new
grandson, I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic
IEEE card (TI chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video
capture (sound also) or do I need an IEEE card that is specifically
made for video capture?
Thanks
As long as the card is OHCI-compliant (and most anything sold within
the last few years would be), it will work just fine.
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J. Frank Ferguson
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:05 am Post subject:
Re: IEEE card vs IEEE video capture |
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Thanks to all that have replied. I tried windows movie maker and I have
sound; it must be just a setting in the other programs.
Now all I need, it seems, is a MUCH larger hard drive :)
Thanks again
Frank
ptravel@travelersvideo.com wrote:
| Quote: | J. Frank Ferguson wrote:
I hear the audio from the camera while transfering but the audio track
is not present on the playback on the PC.
You say "audio card"' does it have anything to do with the capture
process if I'm using firewire?
Thanks
Frank
It has nothing to do with the capture process, but you need one if you
want to hear the audio when you play the captured video. How are you
playing it?
Mike Kujbida wrote:
Do you mean that you're not hearing audio during the capture (transfer)
process? If so, this is normal.
If you mean that you can't hear the audio once it's on the timeline, then
check the settings on your audio card and make sure that the appropriate
channels haven't been accidentally turned off.
Mike
J. Frank Ferguson wrote:
That's what I thought but I am not getting any sound once the data is
sent to the PC; only video. (the card is OHCI-compliant)
I am running XP with a Canon Optura 20 camera and have tried several
different programs with the same result. Is there a sound driver of
some sort that I am perhaps missing?
Thanks alot for the replies
PTravel wrote:
"J. Frank Ferguson" <ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:x8__e.98721$Ph4.3101691@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new
grandson, I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic
IEEE card (TI chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video
capture (sound also) or do I need an IEEE card that is specifically
made for video capture?
Thanks
As long as the card is OHCI-compliant (and most anything sold within
the last few years would be), it will work just fine.
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PTravel
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:45 am Post subject:
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"J. Frank Ferguson" <ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:CMh%e.99127$Ph4.3115970@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
| Quote: | Thanks to all that have replied. I tried windows movie maker and I have
sound; it must be just a setting in the other programs.
Now all I need, it seems, is a MUCH larger hard drive :)
Thanks again
Frank
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MiniDV video (technically DV-25) is usually stored on a computer as
DV-codec-encoded AVI. You'll need 13.7 gigabytes per hour of video.
Remember, too, that you need far more if you're doing any editing.
Example:
One hour of video consumes just under 14 gigabytes. If you edit your video
by adding titles, effects, transitions, etc., most of these must be
rendered, i.e. the program must create a new temporary video clip which
includes the applied effect, etc. That takes space. Then when you're done,
you'll either want to transcode directly to mpeg2 to make a DVD, which will
take another 4.7 gigabytes, or you'll want to export the whole thing to a
separate AVI that you'll then transcode to mpeg2, which will require 4.7
gigabytes plus 14 gigabytes. By the time you've finished your one-hour DVD,
you could easily need 35 gigabytes or more.
There's no such thing as too much hard drive storage if you're playing
around with video. I do a fair amount of video editing ("obsession" is
probably a more accurate description than "hobby"). I have 5 internal hard
drives and 2 external drives on my editing machine, for a total of about 1.3
terabytes of storage. I like to shoot travel video, and usually shoot 10 to
12 hours of video per project. This is enough storage for 2 or 3 active
projects at a time, including lots of digital stills, audio recordings, etc.
Recommendation: use a separate drive for video data, rather than the same
drive on which the program is stored. Also, depending on what editing
software you're using, make sure you set your "scratch disks", where the
program stores interim video and audio clips that it creates, to a different
drive then where your editing software is located. Many programs default to
My Documents or My Video, which are located on the C: drive, the same drive
as programs. Otherwise, you'll slow your computer unnecessarily.
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ptravel@travelersvideo.com wrote:
J. Frank Ferguson wrote:
I hear the audio from the camera while transfering but the audio track
is not present on the playback on the PC.
You say "audio card"' does it have anything to do with the capture
process if I'm using firewire?
Thanks
Frank
It has nothing to do with the capture process, but you need one if you
want to hear the audio when you play the captured video. How are you
playing it?
Mike Kujbida wrote:
Do you mean that you're not hearing audio during the capture (transfer)
process? If so, this is normal.
If you mean that you can't hear the audio once it's on the timeline,
then
check the settings on your audio card and make sure that the appropriate
channels haven't been accidentally turned off.
Mike
J. Frank Ferguson wrote:
That's what I thought but I am not getting any sound once the data is
sent to the PC; only video. (the card is OHCI-compliant)
I am running XP with a Canon Optura 20 camera and have tried several
different programs with the same result. Is there a sound driver of
some sort that I am perhaps missing?
Thanks alot for the replies
PTravel wrote:
"J. Frank Ferguson" <ferguson@NOgmailSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:x8__e.98721$Ph4.3101691@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new
grandson, I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic
IEEE card (TI chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video
capture (sound also) or do I need an IEEE card that is specifically
made for video capture?
Thanks
As long as the card is OHCI-compliant (and most anything sold within
the last few years would be), it will work just fine.
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:45:47 -0700 PTravel <ptravel88-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
| MiniDV video (technically DV-25) is usually stored on a computer as
| DV-codec-encoded AVI. You'll need 13.7 gigabytes per hour of video.
| Remember, too, that you need far more if you're doing any editing.
If all your software can handle DV directly, there's no need to store as AVI.
AVI encapsulates audio and video separately, but DV already contains both
video and audio in a single codec classified as a video codec. The result
is an AVI file with duplicated audio (unless the program did it wrong and
left the audio out of the AVI layer). By storing DV directly, you have both
video and audio, and no redundancy, saving a GB or so of space.
Just be sure all your software know how to handle .dv files, including your
DVD authoring software. If not, you'll just have to use the AVI format with
DV codec.
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Richard Crowley
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:33 am Post subject:
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phil-news-nospam wrote ...
| Quote: | PTravel wrote:
| MiniDV video (technically DV-25) is usually stored on a computer as
| DV-codec-encoded AVI. You'll need 13.7 gigabytes per hour of video.
| Remember, too, that you need far more if you're doing any editing.
If all your software can handle DV directly, there's no need to store
as AVI.
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Curious why you so rarely see DV files. I've never encountered one.
| Quote: | AVI encapsulates audio and video separately,
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To be precise AVI *Type 2* stores video and audio separately.
OTOH, the more commonly used AVI Type 1 stores them together.
In fact the "DV codec" just dumps the bitstream directly from the
camcorder into the AVI container file. There is no encoding/decoding/
recoding involved. Every one and zero is stored in the AVI file just
as it was stored on the tape. Same with storing DV in a MOV file.
| Quote: | but DV already contains both
video and audio in a single codec classified as a video codec. The
result
is an AVI file with duplicated audio (unless the program did it wrong
and
left the audio out of the AVI layer). By storing DV directly, you
have both
video and audio, and no redundancy, saving a GB or so of space.
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Right, and using AVI Type 1 accomplishes exactly the same thing.
| Quote: | Just be sure all your software know how to handle .dv files, including
your
DVD authoring software. If not, you'll just have to use the AVI
format with
DV codec.
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What do you recommend for capturing to DV format files? |
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Richard Crowley
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:16 am Post subject:
Re: IEEE card vs IEEE video capture |
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PLEASE DON'T TOP-POST It makes following the
conversation difficult unless you're standing on your head.
| Quote: | "J. Frank Ferguson" wrote ...
I am new to this converting DV tapes to DVD's but as I have a new
grandson, I am told I have to learn. I have in my system a generic
IEEE card (TI chipset) and am wondering, will this do for video
capture (sound also) or do I need an IEEE card that is specifically
made for video capture?
PTravel wrote:
As long as the card is OHCI-compliant (and most anything sold within
the last few years would be), it will work just fine.
J. Frank Ferguson wrote:
That's what I thought but I am not getting any sound once the data is
sent to the PC; only video. (the card is OHCI-compliant)
I am running XP with a Canon Optura 20 camera and have tried several
different programs with the same result. Is there a sound driver of
some sort that I am perhaps missing?
Thanks alot for the replies
Mike Kujbida wrote:
Do you mean that you're not hearing audio during the capture
(transfer)
process? If so, this is normal.
If you mean that you can't hear the audio once it's on the timeline,
then
check the settings on your audio card and make sure that the
appropriate
channels haven't been accidentally turned off.
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"J. Frank Ferguson" wrote ...
| Quote: | I hear the audio from the camera while transfering but the audio track
is not present on the playback on the PC.
You say "audio card"' does it have anything to do with the capture
process if I'm using firewire?
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You really need to reveal exactly what software you are using.
For capture, and for viewing (or editing, or whatever). You
may have created Type-2 AVI files where the audio is in a
separate file. But we can't tell without knowing what software,
etc you are using.
The firewire card handles the video and audio all together.
The sound card comes into play only when you are playing
back your files. Do you hear sound on your computer when
playing other things? |
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