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Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:23 am Post subject:
risks of used dslr |
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Are the risks of buying a used digital slr pretty much the same as
buying a used film slr? Does the sensor degrade in any way with heavy
use? How is the number of actuations discovered? Can that number be
turned back?
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Julian Tan
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:02 am Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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Hi there,
I think there is an increased risk of shutter blade failure. It varies
from model to model, but some manufacturers quote a lifespan of 40,000
actuations on average, some as low as 10,000.
It doesn't mean that on 10,001 your camera is going to bust, in fact
some people have taken way in excess of those numbers.
Just something to consider.
Cheers,
Jules
http://www.shuttertalk.com
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Bob Hatch
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:03 am Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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<drs@canby.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Are the risks of buying a used digital slr pretty much the same as
buying a used film slr? Does the sensor degrade in any way with heavy
use? How is the number of actuations discovered? Can that number be
turned back?
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There is no way that I know of to determine the actual number of images
taken with a DSLR, at least not with any of the Canon line.
I have a D30 or D60 I'll sell. Tell me about how many images you'd like the
camera to say it has when I ship it to you and I'll see that is has that
number. :-) |
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YAG-ART
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:03 am Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 20:33:52 -0700, "Bob Hatch" <bobhatch@go.com>
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drs@canby.com> wrote in message
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Are the risks of buying a used digital slr pretty much the same as
buying a used film slr? Does the sensor degrade in any way with heavy
use? How is the number of actuations discovered? Can that number be
turned back?
There is no way that I know of to determine the actual number of images
taken with a DSLR, at least not with any of the Canon line.
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There is a way, I foget how, but you can probably go to
www.sportsshooter.com and read about it in the forums.
My D2000 keeps a running total thats on the back window. |
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Dave
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:04 am Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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I actually think the risk of buying a used DSLR is less than a film SLR,
assuming you can actually get your hands on the camera. Why? Because you
can take a picture using it and immediately download it to a computer and
check to see the camera works. A little harder to do with a film camera
(just takes more time, including trip to your local 1-hr photo shop).
<drs@canby.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Are the risks of buying a used digital slr pretty much the same as
buying a used film slr? Does the sensor degrade in any way with heavy
use? How is the number of actuations discovered? Can that number be
turned back? |
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MarkČ
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:02 am Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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"Julian Tan" <cuteseal@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi there,
I think there is an increased risk of shutter blade failure. It varies
from model to model, but some manufacturers quote a lifespan of 40,000
actuations on average, some as low as 10,000.
It doesn't mean that on 10,001 your camera is going to bust, in fact
some people have taken way in excess of those numbers.
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What DSLRs have numbers that low?
I am not aware of any.
Canon is anywhere from 100,000-200,000.
Surely Nikon isn't much different. |
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Don Dunlap
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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"MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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"Julian Tan" <cuteseal@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1101360493.125010.181800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Hi there,
I think there is an increased risk of shutter blade failure. It varies
from model to model, but some manufacturers quote a lifespan of 40,000
actuations on average, some as low as 10,000.
It doesn't mean that on 10,001 your camera is going to bust, in fact
some people have taken way in excess of those numbers.
What DSLRs have numbers that low?
I am not aware of any.
Canon is anywhere from 100,000-200,000.
Surely Nikon isn't much different.
I sure hope that's right. I've only had my 20D for a a little over two |
weeks and I have talen 1000 shots. I know that I won't keep it up at this
rate, but I would fully expect to have 10,000 within the first year. I take
a lot of shots on continuous drive and that really adds up.
Don Dunlap |
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MarkČ
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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"Don Dunlap" <dondunlapremve@direcway.com> wrote in message
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"MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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"Julian Tan" <cuteseal@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1101360493.125010.181800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Hi there,
I think there is an increased risk of shutter blade failure. It varies
from model to model, but some manufacturers quote a lifespan of 40,000
actuations on average, some as low as 10,000.
It doesn't mean that on 10,001 your camera is going to bust, in fact
some people have taken way in excess of those numbers.
What DSLRs have numbers that low?
I am not aware of any.
Canon is anywhere from 100,000-200,000.
Surely Nikon isn't much different.
I sure hope that's right. I've only had my 20D for a a little over two
weeks and I have talen 1000 shots. I know that I won't keep it up at this
rate, but I would fully expect to have 10,000 within the first year. I
take
a lot of shots on continuous drive and that really adds up.
Don Dunlap
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I was being nice...
You have nothing to worry about.
I don't know where that number came from, but it is totally off.
I've personally shot over 150,000 images between my D30 and now 10D, and
I've never ever had a problem. |
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HRosita
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:45 pm Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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| Quote: | drs@canby.com wrote:
Are the risks of buying a used digital slr pretty much the same as
buying a used film slr? Does the sensor degrade in any way with heavy
use? How is the number of actuations discovered? Can that number be
turned back?
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All digital cameras have the capability to restart the counter (as far as I
know).
However, you definitely know when the camera came on the market so you can
calculate the age.
Your risk if you buy a one year old camera should not be too high.
Rosita |
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Phil Wheeler
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:46 pm Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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Don Dunlap wrote:
| Quote: | "MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
news:QNgpd.346216$a85.110062@fed1read04...
"Julian Tan" <cuteseal@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1101360493.125010.181800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Hi there,
I think there is an increased risk of shutter blade failure. It varies
from model to model, but some manufacturers quote a lifespan of 40,000
actuations on average, some as low as 10,000.
It doesn't mean that on 10,001 your camera is going to bust, in fact
some people have taken way in excess of those numbers.
What DSLRs have numbers that low?
I am not aware of any.
Canon is anywhere from 100,000-200,000.
Surely Nikon isn't much different.
I sure hope that's right. I've only had my 20D for a a little over two
weeks and I have talen 1000 shots. I know that I won't keep it up at this
rate, but I would fully expect to have 10,000 within the first year. I take
a lot of shots on continuous drive and that really adds up.
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I've seen no shutter life specs on lower end DSLRs -- only on such as
the 1DMkII and such.
Canon did say (somewhere) that the shutter life of the 20D is improved
over the 10D.
BTW -- someone recently posted in the dpreview forum that they have gone
over 10,000 shots on their 20D. Pretty amazing for a camera which came
on the market in August or so. Mine is around 1500 since Sept sometime.
Phil |
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Don Dunlap
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:46 pm Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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"Phil Wheeler" <w6tuh-ng5@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Don Dunlap wrote:
"MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
news:QNgpd.346216$a85.110062@fed1read04...
"Julian Tan" <cuteseal@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1101360493.125010.181800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Hi there,
I think there is an increased risk of shutter blade failure. It varies
from model to model, but some manufacturers quote a lifespan of 40,000
actuations on average, some as low as 10,000.
It doesn't mean that on 10,001 your camera is going to bust, in fact
some people have taken way in excess of those numbers.
What DSLRs have numbers that low?
I am not aware of any.
Canon is anywhere from 100,000-200,000.
Surely Nikon isn't much different.
I sure hope that's right. I've only had my 20D for a a little over two
weeks and I have talen 1000 shots. I know that I won't keep it up at
this rate, but I would fully expect to have 10,000 within the first year.
I take a lot of shots on continuous drive and that really adds up.
I've seen no shutter life specs on lower end DSLRs -- only on such as the
1DMkII and such.
Canon did say (somewhere) that the shutter life of the 20D is improved
over the 10D.
BTW -- someone recently posted in the dpreview forum that they have gone
over 10,000 shots on their 20D. Pretty amazing for a camera which came on
the market in August or so. Mine is around 1500 since Sept sometime.
Phil
That continuous shot drive option is really great and it takes a hell of a |
lot of frames very quick. I get carried away with it when trying to catch
that "Perfect" shot of my two Labs when they are playing. I still don't
have it but I would have had it once if my settings had been right. I set
the shutter speed too low and they moved too fast. I am still learning.
Don Dunlap |
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Confused
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:03 am Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:33:53 -0800
In message <QNgpd.346216$a85.110062@fed1read04>
"MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote:
| Quote: | I think there is an increased risk of shutter blade failure. It varies
from model to model, but some manufacturers quote a lifespan of 40,000
actuations on average, some as low as 10,000.
It doesn't mean that on 10,001 your camera is going to bust, in fact
some people have taken way in excess of those numbers.
What DSLRs have numbers that low?
I am not aware of any.
Canon is anywhere from 100,000-200,000.
Surely Nikon isn't much different.
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The shutter in my Canon 300D broke at 20,801 cycles; during a concert.
Canon repaired it under warranty and said, "it has obviously been
taken care of and never been dropped".
Jeff |
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MarkČ
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:04 am Post subject:
Re: risks of used dslr |
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"Confused" <somebody@someplace.somenet> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:33:53 -0800
In message <QNgpd.346216$a85.110062@fed1read04
"MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote:
I think there is an increased risk of shutter blade failure. It
varies
from model to model, but some manufacturers quote a lifespan of 40,000
actuations on average, some as low as 10,000.
It doesn't mean that on 10,001 your camera is going to bust, in fact
some people have taken way in excess of those numbers.
What DSLRs have numbers that low?
I am not aware of any.
Canon is anywhere from 100,000-200,000.
Surely Nikon isn't much different.
The shutter in my Canon 300D broke at 20,801 cycles; during a concert.
Canon repaired it under warranty and said, "it has obviously been
taken care of and never been dropped".
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I got a flat tire the other day...
....But my other three tires didn't.
Why not???? |
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Confused
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:04 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:26:23 -0800
In message <18zpd.356361$a85.286597@fed1read04>
"MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote:
| Quote: | What DSLRs have numbers that low?
I am not aware of any.
Canon is anywhere from 100,000-200,000.
Surely Nikon isn't much different.
The shutter in my Canon 300D broke at 20,801 cycles; during a concert.
Canon repaired it under warranty and said, "it has obviously been
taken care of and never been dropped".
I got a flat tire the other day...
...But my other three tires didn't.
Why not????
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Because you'll have better luck trolling on alt.test?
Because you didn't see the nail crossing the road?
Because one tire was plastic and 3 were rubber?
Because you have too much time on your hands?
Does this look like alt.auto.dumbquestions?
Their best guess was that the shutters were
failing at around 35,000 - 40,000 cycles.
BUT -- that was "unofficial" -- just an
honest guess during a face to face
chat at the service desk; they
have no published real-world
statistics.
Jeff |
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MarkČ
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:05 pm Post subject:
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"Confused" <somebody@someplace.somenet> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:26:23 -0800
In message <18zpd.356361$a85.286597@fed1read04
"MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote:
What DSLRs have numbers that low?
I am not aware of any.
Canon is anywhere from 100,000-200,000.
Surely Nikon isn't much different.
The shutter in my Canon 300D broke at 20,801 cycles; during a concert.
Canon repaired it under warranty and said, "it has obviously been
taken care of and never been dropped".
I got a flat tire the other day...
...But my other three tires didn't.
Why not????
Because you'll have better luck trolling on alt.test?
Because you didn't see the nail crossing the road?
Because one tire was plastic and 3 were rubber?
Because you have too much time on your hands?
Does this look like alt.auto.dumbquestions?
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My comment was really aimed at those others who might feel compelled to form
an opinion of Canon bodies based too much upon your report:
That you got a "flat tire" with one sample (camera body), has little to no
bearing on all tires (camera bodies). Your is the exception.
| Quote: | Their best guess was that the shutters were
failing at around 35,000 - 40,000 cycles.
BUT -- that was "unofficial" -- just an
honest guess during a face to face
chat at the service desk; they
have no published real-world
statistics. |
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