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Roger W. Norman
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject:
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Still wrong on the values, but you get what I mean, I hope! <g> My fault.
Shouldn't be writing this at 6:30 AM after Thanksgiving! <g>
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Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
"Roger W. Norman" <rnorman@starpower.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Ooops, 1.72 Mb/s or 172,000 kb/s. In other words, 10 MB per minute for
stereo. 4.7 Gigs on DVD, and you've got LOTS of space. Not easily broken
up for distribution, but it's doable.
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Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
"Roger W. Norman" <rnorman@starpower.net> wrote in message
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We've used DVDs recorders direct from a camera for simple one hour
shows,
so
if it comes down to it, one would think changing DVDs is much easier
than
having some type of system that changes a direct stream video into mpeg
1
or
whatever. However, if you are just doing audio there shouldn't be a
problem
and you'd be taking (16 bit/48 kHz) 172 Mb/s transfer rate so DVD should
be
fine for a few hours of recording audio. I wouldn't be afraid of doing
it.
Plus, with some systems, you can do an immediate record on one platter
and
then duplicate it right afterward. It would, at the least, replicate
your
4
cassette wells and do a better job.
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Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
"Ron Capik" <r.capik@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Ron Capik <r.capik@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Our total show is about 4 hours, sets are about 30 min, and
setup is typically festival style/sound check on the fly.
...snip..
Microboards makes a standalone recorder with two transports that can
swap
in the middle of recording. A friend who tried it said that it was
not
ready
for prime time but that the idea was a good one.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Hmm, sounds like the right direction but I don't think I'd
want to jump on a not-ready-for-prime-time solution.
[ ..but I'll take a look at it.]
Any audio to DVD standalones out there? Should be
able to fit a 4 hour stream on one of those...
Later...
Ron capik
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Roger W. Norman
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject:
Re: Board tapes: how might I go digital? |
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We've used DVDs recorders direct from a camera for simple one hour shows, so
if it comes down to it, one would think changing DVDs is much easier than
having some type of system that changes a direct stream video into mpeg 1 or
whatever. However, if you are just doing audio there shouldn't be a problem
and you'd be taking (16 bit/48 kHz) 172 Mb/s transfer rate so DVD should be
fine for a few hours of recording audio. I wouldn't be afraid of doing it.
Plus, with some systems, you can do an immediate record on one platter and
then duplicate it right afterward. It would, at the least, replicate your 4
cassette wells and do a better job.
--
Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
"Ron Capik" <r.capik@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Scott Dorsey wrote:
Ron Capik <r.capik@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Our total show is about 4 hours, sets are about 30 min, and
setup is typically festival style/sound check on the fly.
...snip..
Microboards makes a standalone recorder with two transports that can
swap
in the middle of recording. A friend who tried it said that it was not
ready
for prime time but that the idea was a good one.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Hmm, sounds like the right direction but I don't think I'd
want to jump on a not-ready-for-prime-time solution.
[ ..but I'll take a look at it.]
Any audio to DVD standalones out there? Should be
able to fit a 4 hour stream on one of those...
Later...
Ron capik
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Ron Capik
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:18 pm Post subject:
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote:
| Quote: | Still wrong on the values, but you get what I mean, I hope! <g> My fault.
Shouldn't be writing this at 6:30 AM after Thanksgiving! <g
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Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
"Roger W. Norman" <rnorman@starpower.net> wrote in message
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Ooops, 1.72 Mb/s or 172,000 kb/s. In other words, 10 MB per minute for
stereo. 4.7 Gigs on DVD, and you've got LOTS of space. Not easily broken
up for distribution, but it's doable.
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What the heck are you doing typing responses at ~6 AM the day after
Thanksgiving?
Up and out early for the big sales? <G>
Yes, I get what you mean. I believe DVD might work well as an archive medium.
I can see my needs as being two different tasks; archive, and musician sets.
Thus DVDs on one (archive) machine and musician CDs on a basic CD machine.
Do you have any pointers to DVD boxes that might fit my wish list needs?
Thanks, ...now go get some coffee or something.
Later...
Ron Capik
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Ron Capik
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:18 pm Post subject:
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Mike Rivers wrote:
| Quote: | Ron Capik <r.capik@worldnet.att.net> wrote
We are (finally) looking to upgrade the system but I haven't
been able to find any digital solutions as simple as our current
"load tapes and push record" solution.
...snip..
Why not just record one set per CD on a stand-alone CD recorder (or
two if you want to hand a disk to the musician after the show and keep
one for the archive)? Blanks are cheap enough so you don't have to
feel bad about letting half or more of it go to waste.
It takes a minute or two, depending on the machine, to finalize the
recording, so you might want to set the disks aside and finalize them
after the show is over. That way you won't do what I do sometimes and
forget to load in a new blank before the next set starts.
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
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I'm starting to build up a nice list of potential solutions. Though I've
burned
many CDs on my computers I've never used a standalone CD burner and thus
am not familiar with the start, stop, finalize procedure, but get the
feeling it's
similar to loading cassettes and pushing record.
I do have next to zero time between sets. One act enters stage right as
the other
exits stage left. I get the final set list at the beginning of the night
but never know
how many people will be in the group 'till the wander on stage. :-{
Try as I will, I can't seem to get the host/MC to check in the acts and
communicate
that information to me. Very much a down side of the casual atmosphere of
our venue.
....but I digress.
Thanks for the added input.
Later....
Ron Capik
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Roger W. Norman
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Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:19 pm Post subject:
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Family left and I went to bed. I'm getting old because 9 PM is late on some
nights! Then again, I was up and cooking at 6 AM. <g>
As far as DVD recorders are concerned, probably not with your particular
requirements. I mean, I've used them and for a FOH stereo recording they do
fine, but I always run multitracks behind the scenes to mix when I get back
to the studio. But what I've used as DVD recorders is basically an
off-the-shelf recorder that I cram DVD-Rs into. I'm not saying I can't do a
good live mix, but when it comes down to choice, most musicians prefer a
multitrack mix over what's presented live. And it's cheap enough to do,
other than time.
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Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
"Ron Capik" <r.capik@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Roger W. Norman" wrote:
Still wrong on the values, but you get what I mean, I hope! <g> My
fault.
Shouldn't be writing this at 6:30 AM after Thanksgiving! <g
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Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
"Roger W. Norman" <rnorman@starpower.net> wrote in message
news:CridnRPTcJ9xjzrcRVn-gQ@rcn.net...
Ooops, 1.72 Mb/s or 172,000 kb/s. In other words, 10 MB per minute
for
stereo. 4.7 Gigs on DVD, and you've got LOTS of space. Not easily
broken
up for distribution, but it's doable.
What the heck are you doing typing responses at ~6 AM the day after
Thanksgiving?
Up and out early for the big sales? <G
Yes, I get what you mean. I believe DVD might work well as an archive
medium.
I can see my needs as being two different tasks; archive, and musician
sets.
Thus DVDs on one (archive) machine and musician CDs on a basic CD machine.
Do you have any pointers to DVD boxes that might fit my wish list needs?
Thanks, ...now go get some coffee or something.
Later...
Ron Capik
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Ron Capik
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Sat Nov 27, 2004 6:07 pm Post subject:
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
| Quote: | ...snip..
Microboards makes a standalone recorder with two transports that can swap
in the middle of recording. A friend who tried it said that it was not ready
for prime time but that the idea was a good one.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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Hmmm, didn't see that unit on the Microboards page but I did see
a Fostex multi-track hard drive box with a DVD burner option.
maybe one of those and a standalone CD box for the musician's
and I'd be set ...maybe.
Gotta check on the Fostex details.
Later...
Ron Capik
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Sugarite
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Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:29 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | For years my venue has been archiving performances ( we are
a cultural preservation and historical society) via a sequential
cassette recorder. We also have been providing musician tapes
by request. [ I have 4 cassette wells; two for the archive sequence,
and two reserved for musician tapes.]
We are (finally) looking to upgrade the system but I haven't
been able to find any digital solutions as simple as our current
"load tapes and push record" solution.
Our total show is about 4 hours, sets are about 30 min, and
setup is typically festival style/sound check on the fly.
I'd like to find a way to switch over to CD-R format for both
the archive and musician "tapes" with minimal extra work
for the sound booth. Are there any sequential CD recorders
out there (or other solutions) that might fit our needs? I'd like
to have a hard copy [CDs] at the end of the night without
the added step(s) of dumping a hard drive output to CD
or downloading to a computer (heck, the venue doesn't even
have a computer) etc.
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A $200 Nomad Jukebox 3 is worth considering. It's the size of a discman and
records to a 20GB hard drive with DAT sound quality and has proven to be
very reliable. The stock drive holds 33 hours of 16/44.1 audio, but can be
swapped out for any 2.5" laptop drive, currently 80GB drives are available,
in time 120GB will eventually be available. The recordings are transfered
to a PC over Firewire at 32x (5MB/s), so one of your 4 hour shows takes
about 10 minutes to transfer, then you can easily process the audio onto
CD's and DVD archives. The resulting files are even time-stamped for easy
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Richard Kuschel
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Sun Nov 28, 2004 6:21 pm Post subject:
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I'm starting to build up a nice list of potential solutions. Though I've
burned
many CDs on my computers I've never used a standalone CD burner and thus
am not familiar with the start, stop, finalize procedure, but get the
feeling it's
similar to loading cassettes and pushing record.
I do have next to zero time between sets. One act enters stage right as
the other
exits stage left. I get the final set list at the beginning of the night
but never know
how many people will be in the group 'till the wander on stage. :-{
Try as I will, I can't seem to get the host/MC to check in the acts and
communicate
that information to me. Very much a down side of the casual atmosphere of
our venue.
...but I digress.
Thanks for the added input.
Later....
Ron Capik
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The standalone CDR recorders are not quite as simple or fast as a cassette
deck.
First, on my HHB 830, (and I am pretty sure that this is typical) it takes 18
seconds for the machine to recognize a new disc.
Second, it takes at least another 10-12 seconds for the machine to setup for
recording the disc.
When finished recording, you could set up the machine for self finalizing
(about 4-1/2 minutes) or manually finalize the disc, which the machine says
will take 2 minutes, but in reality is at least three minutes unless it decides
to hang during finalizing, in which case, it may be a little longer.
My solution would be to use two machines and rotate them, having one always
recording.
I use a single HHB 830 for documentation of high school bands at our festival
days at the University, but I have a fair amount of time between bands.
CDR recorders, unlike DAT machines and Hard Drive recorders are extremely
sensitive to physical shock. Mount them solidly and there is no problem, but
one bump will kill a disc. For this reason, plus the longer recording time, I
use a DAT on concert recording.
Richard H. Kuschel
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