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John Wheaton
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:24 am Post subject:
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"Mr Soul" <google@MusicIsLove.com> wrote in message ...
| Quote: | No - I want direct sources that say how much the bribes were to France,
Russia and Germany.
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Are you lying, or didn't you read the FUCKING posts? We went through this
EXACT SAME info months ago. Why is it that you COMPLETELY lose the ability
to remember info provided to you? There clip confirm Iraq's buy offs, but if
you need more then read the threads from a few months ago when we went
through it the first time.
First from Al Jeezera, or they too far in Bushes pocket?
French, Russian politicians involved in shadowy deals with Saddam!
10/7/2004 12:44:00 PM GMT
Saddam's government paid millions of dollars to leading French, Russian,
Chinese and other foreign politicians in shadowy oil deals to win their
assistance in lifting UN sanctions imposed on Iraq in 1990
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/conspiracy_theory/fullstory.asp?id=163
Saddam Hussein used a U.N. humanitarian program to pay $1.78 billion to
French government officials, businessmen and journalists in a bid to have
sanctions removed and U.S. policies opposed, according to a CIA report made
public yesterday.
The cash was part of $10.9 billion secretly skimmed from the U.N.
oil-for-food program, which was used by Iraq to buy military goods,
according to a 1,000-page report by the CIA-led Iraqi Survey Group.
According to a section of the report on Iraqi weapons procurement, the
survey group identified long-standing ties between Saddam and the French
government. One 1992 Iraqi intelligence service report revealed that Iraq's
ambassador to France paid $1 million to the French Socialist Party in 1988.
The report stated that Iraq covertly purchased missiles and other military
goods from Russia, Belarus, China, North Korea and South Korea.
According to the report, illegal goods used in making weapons of mass
destruction were sold to Iraq by companies in Jordan, India, France, Italy,
Romania and Turkey.
Conventional arms also were sold to Iraq by China, Jordan, India, South
Korea, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Cyprus, Egypt, Lebanon, Georgia, France, Poland,
Syria, Belarus, North Korea, Yugoslavia, Yemen, Russia, Romania and the
Republic of China (Taiwan).
Charles Duelfer, the director of the CIA survey group, told a congressional
hearing yesterday that a "sizable portion" of Saddam's cash obtained from
the oil-for-food program were diverted to the military, specifically the
government-run Military Industrial Commission.
"The funding for this organization, which had responsibility for many of
the past [weapons of mass destruction] programs, went from approximately
$7.8 million in 1998 to $350 million in 2001," Mr. Duelfer told the Senate
Armed Services Committee.
Mr. Duelfer said that during the period from 1998 to 2001, "many
military programs were carried out - including many involving the willing
export to Iraq of military items prohibited by the Security Council."
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041007-123838-3146r.htm
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Mr Soul
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:46 am Post subject:
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So Al Jeezera is now a credable news source? Give me a fuckin' break
John.
You said it was "over 10 Billion dollars was spent on bribes to French,
Germans, and Russians during the embargo" but all I'm seeing our
millions in these links you give me. I want to see specifics, i.e.,
exactly who the money went to, and I want other than the WT & Al
Jeezera (I still can't believe you used that source).
Despite the problems, the fact is the oil-for-food program netted $64
billion which went to help feed Iraqis from 1997 to 2003. This fact is
often over-looked by the right-wingers who's goal is to dismantle the
UN. Why is it that you ignore this fact - maybe that's because you're
just another foaming-at-mouth conservative.
I looked over Paul Volcker's report & I didn't see reference to
billions given to France, Germany or Russia? He didn't even find that
any evidence that Benon Sevan personally profited, even though Coleman
says he got $160,000. The other people that Coleman accused have
denied that they profited from it.
So where are the billions given to the Germans, Russians & French?
Mr Soul |
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John Wheaton
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:04 am Post subject:
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"Mr Soul" <google@MusicIsLove.com> wrote in message news:..
| Quote: | So Al Jeezera is now a credable news source? Give me a fuckin' break
John.
You said it was "over 10 Billion dollars was spent on bribes to French,
Germans, and Russians during the embargo" but all I'm seeing our
millions in these links you give me. I want to see specifics, i.e.,
exactly who the money went to, and I want other than the WT & Al
Jeezera (I still can't believe you used that source).
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I used the TIMES as IN LONDON you MORON, as well as CNN, Al Jeezera,
National Review, The Nation, and The Washington Times who has proven itself
to be far more acurrate than the NY Times, who you swear by, so tough. I
gave you plenty of sources THE FIRST TIME THAT WE WENT THROUGH THIS when the
lsit of sources was international and staggering in it's length. As I said
when I posted a number of clips w/links yesterday, if that is not enough
info for you, go back and google the FIRST time that we went through all of
the UN & Food For Oil stuff.
| Quote: | Despite the problems, the fact is the oil-for-food program netted $64
billion which went to help feed Iraqis from 1997 to 2003. This fact is
often over-looked by the right-wingers who's goal is to dismantle the
UN. Why is it that you ignore this fact - maybe that's because you're
just another foaming-at-mouth conservative.
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FUCK YOU. We have been through the Right Wing crap too many FUCKING times
for you to do that again. I have too many posts where I have disagreed with
the Right, Administration, DeLay, so Fuck You and your DISHONESTY. I have
NEVER called for dismantling the UN, but why should you be factual about
what you include me in? You aren't truthful about anything where it comes to
your comments about me.
Bye,
John |
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Mr Soul
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:29 am Post subject:
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Getting a little testy when some one calls you on your shit? You can't
prove the claims you make because you're just spinning right-wing
garbage.
The fact is that the Duelfer report found that Iraq had no WMD, only
intentions. The report proved that sanctions were indeed working. The
fact is that the oil-for-food program helped Iraq's to the tune of $64
billion - a fact the right-wingers like yourself don't like to admit
to.
"While the ISG has not found stockpiles of WMD, the ISG and other
coalition elements have developed a body of fact that shows that Saddam
Hussein had, first, the strategic intention to continue to pursue WMD
capabilities; two, created ambiguity about his WMD capabilities that he
used to extract concessions in the international world of disclosure
and discussion and negotiation."
Duelfer later said: "We were almost all wrong" on Iraq, Duelfer told a
Senate panel yesterday.
So if Saddam took all these billions & put them into weapon's systems -
where the hell were they??? Doesn't make much sense does it?
The reason why you can't answer my question: detailed amounts of the
bribes to the French, Russian & German officials, is because these
claims are un-substantiated. The only source I saw that actually
listed amount was the WT. I wonder where they got that information?
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flipper
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:44 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:02:45 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton
<patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:28:08 -0500, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:
I'll tell you "so what?" Because your implied argument that it's "your
fault" if a manic does something 'bad' and "you
knew/expected/suspected it" leads to only two choices: capitulate to
anyone 'bad enough' or war.
The first choice leads to anarchy as all one has to do is be 'bad
enough' and you give them whatever it is they want to avoid the
nonsensical notion it's "your fault."
"Don't you dare give me a speeding ticket, officer, or I'll go kill
someone and their blood will be on your hands because I've warned
you." And don't even think twice about making murder illegal because,
if you do, I'll kill 10 people instead of the 4 I was planning on.
Now, if your argument is the latter, that we should go ahead and
invade, then don't limit the U.N. resolution to just 'expel Iraq from
Kuwait' next time.
Since when did the US ever take any notice of the UN?
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Korea, Gulf War I.
| Quote: | Simple
fundamental issue was that George Bush senior is a coward (runs in the
family judging by dubya's actions on 9/11),
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Meaningless ad hominem. 'And yo mamma wear army boots'.
| Quote: | and betrayed the Iraqi
people he'd encouraged to rise in rebellion during the first Gulf
slaughter.
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No, but then I doubt you're interested in what really happened anyway.
None of which has a blessed thing to do with the theoretical
contention that it's inherently "your fault" if 'the bad guy' does
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flipper
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:44 am Post subject:
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On 20 Sep 2005 13:30:34 -0700, "play on" <lordkoos@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Chemicals are not arms"? Tell it to the Kurds.
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That's right, chemicals are not arms. Even if you began with a 'WMD'
type of chemical, which the chemicals sold were not, you then have to,
at least, have some means to deliver them, preferably on the intended
target, with some expectation of it getting there. Not a trivial
exercise.
Of course, not killing yourself and everyone around you during
synthesis, manufacture, weapon loading, storage, distribution, and
delivery is rather important as well and compounded by the fact that
'WMD' chemicals, and many of their precursors, are extremely corrosive
needing highly specialized containers/equipment/materials. |
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John Wheaton
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:46 am Post subject:
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"Mr Soul" <google@MusicIsLove.com> wrote in message news:...
| Quote: | Getting a little testy when some one calls you on your shit?
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That is NEVER a problem the first time, but you'll request info that I
clipped ang offered in detailed form MONTHS ago, and when you want me to
jump through hoops because you neglected to bring your memory along that day
is YOUR problem not mine. I am not a private tutor at your beck and call any
time that your memory fails.
This is not the first, second, or even the third time that this has
happened, it has become a regular occurrance, and I'm sure that your memory
fails so frequently because you don't read what I post in reply to your
requests in the first place. You PROVED that ealier today. You wrote off Al
Jeezera without reading it. You would have found out that they published a
story that was syndicated by AFP/Reuters. Your arrogance is the cause of
your ignorance.
Bye,
John |
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Sander deWaal
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject:
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"John Wheaton" <wheatonjohn@comcast.net> said:
| Quote: | Are you lying, or didn't you read the FUCKING posts? We went through this
EXACT SAME info months ago. Why is it that you COMPLETELY lose the ability
to remember info provided to you?
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Religion tends to do that to people.
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Ruud Broens
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Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:26 pm Post subject:
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"Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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: On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:05:29 +0200, Sander deWaal <nospam@wanadoo.nl>
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: >Stewart Pinkerton <patent3@dircon.co.uk> said:
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: >>..... you can tell the intelligence of a nation by its
: >>elected leader......................
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: >Give my regards to Tony :-)
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: He's highly intelligent - he's also morally bankrupt. Then again, he
: is basically a lawyer, so what do you expect?
....his next job will be with an american company ? ;-)
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Andre Jute
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Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:38 pm Post subject:
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Sander deWaal wrote:
| Quote: | "John Wheaton" <wheatonjohn@comcast.net> said:
Are you lying, or didn't you read the FUCKING posts? We went through this
EXACT SAME info months ago. Why is it that you COMPLETELY lose the ability
to remember info provided to you?
Religion tends to do that to people.
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Their preachers baptise them in hot springs. That tends to boil the
brain.
Andre Jute |
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Holliston Perni
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Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:56 pm Post subject:
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Ask, rather, can CHRISTIANITY be reformed into a non-terrorist religion . .
.. ?
Hollis,
http://www.AmericanJunta.com
"Andre Jute" <fiultra@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Sander deWaal wrote:
"John Wheaton" <wheatonjohn@comcast.net> said:
Are you lying, or didn't you read the FUCKING posts? We went through
this
EXACT SAME info months ago. Why is it that you COMPLETELY lose the
ability
to remember info provided to you?
Religion tends to do that to people.
Their preachers baptise them in hot springs. That tends to boil the
brain.
Andre Jute
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