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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:11 pm    Post subject: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

Group(s),

Just spent $1100 for a new Panasonic GS400 and I have to say the image
this camera delivers is very, very good. Comparable to a GL2 and very
close to Sony VX/PD cams. For the money, most bang for the buck, it is
the best deal out there in the Mini-DV 3CCD realm.

Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the
audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this
camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something
you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO
critical for getting decent audio.

SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply
phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera.

Is there a microphone (perferably shotgun) out there that is as great a
value as this camera?

I know particular cameras respond diffferently to different external
mics, I'm hoping someone out there also has a GS400 and is willing to
share mic info.

Thanks.
YKWTFIA

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Captain Slick
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 3:14 am    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

youknowwhothefuckiam@6url.com wrote:

Quote:

Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the
audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this
camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something
you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO
critical for getting decent audio.

I can do it with my TRV 900


Quote:
SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply
phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera.


I like the Azden SGM 1X but you need to adapt the XLR to mini stereo
plug and block the DC out on the mini-jack.

-Bill
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PTravel
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

<youknowwhothefuckiam@6url.com> wrote in message
news:1126717870.699865.31170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Group(s),

Just spent $1100 for a new Panasonic GS400 and I have to say the image
this camera delivers is very, very good. Comparable to a GL2 and very
close to Sony VX/PD cams. For the money, most bang for the buck, it is
the best deal out there in the Mini-DV 3CCD realm.

Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the
audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this
camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something
you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO
critical for getting decent audio.

Of course you can do this with a VX2000. I'm glad you're happy with your
camera and, of course, if it fits your purposes it's the "right" camera. It
is not, however, comparable to a VX2000/2100.


Quote:

SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply
phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera.

Is there a microphone (perferably shotgun) out there that is as great a
value as this camera?

I know particular cameras respond diffferently to different external
mics, I'm hoping someone out there also has a GS400 and is willing to
share mic info.

If you're serious about audio, you'll want to get an accessory box that will
let you use balanced-line (XLR) mikes. They're made for prosumer 'corders,
and there are probably some out there for your machine.

Quote:

Thanks.
YKWTFIA
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Dimitrios Tzortzakakis
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

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Quote:
youknowwhothefuckiam@6url.com wrote:


Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the
audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this
camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something
you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO
critical for getting decent audio.

I can do it with my TRV 900

SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply
phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera.


I like the Azden SGM 1X but you need to adapt the XLR to mini stereo
plug and block the DC out on the mini-jack.

It's very easy to block with a capacitor, but I don't think it's worth the

effort.At that price range, the camera must have an excellent
microphone.(anyway, Xc=1/(omega*C), where Xc=0 for that frequency range,
also audio frequencies, to allow them pass while blocking the DC, and omega
is 2*(pi)*f, frequency in Hz.Just for comparison, the capacitor for FM and
UHF is 1 nF, and for old-fashioned AM is 100 nF, at audio frequencies should
be at uF range).
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Captain Slick
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

Dimitrios Tzortzakakis wrote:

Quote:
It's very easy to block with a capacitor, but I don't think it's worth the
effort.At that price range, the camera must have an excellent
microphone.(anyway, Xc=1/(omega*C), where Xc=0 for that frequency range,
also audio frequencies, to allow them pass while blocking the DC, and omega
is 2*(pi)*f, frequency in Hz.Just for comparison, the capacitor for FM and
UHF is 1 nF, and for old-fashioned AM is 100 nF, at audio frequencies should
be at uF range).

Hi Dimitrios,

I should have said, "buy an adapter that adapts XLR balanced to
unbalanced and blocks the DC like the XLR Pro"

I have a TRV900 but still use the Azden for far superior audio.

-Bill
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:05 am    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

So much for my knowledge, I actually had a VX2000 for half a day for a
second unit shoot (visual only) and didn't get to messing with it
enough to see that it had manual audio. Same deal for the TRV900.

Oh well, I couldn't afford a VX2000/2100 and wouldn't want to risk
money on a used TRV900, although I am sure there are some solid units
out there.

It's sad that Sony decided to make things worse with each geneartion of
consumer cams. The TRV900 to 950 was no upgrade. Ditto for the Digital
8 offerings.

My TRV730 Dig8 gives a really solid image. Sucky audio though...

Seriously, the GS400 is very close to a VX2000 in image quality.

Not quite there, losses to it in low light by a bit, but the GS400
gives a marginally better image than a Canon GL2.

YKWTFIA
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Richard Crowley
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

"Frank" wrote ...
Quote:
"bd" wrote:
Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 considering it doesn't
have XLR inputs? Given this, what do you do for great audio?

Bryce, you might want to take a look at the BeachTek model DXA-8
adapter. It attaches to the bottom of the camcorder, runs on a single
9 volt alkaline battery, and weights 2 pounds.

http://www.beachtek.com/dxa8.html

But it can't do anything to counteract the effect of ALC
in the camcorder.
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Frank
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

On 15 Sep 2005 19:37:00 -0700, in 'rec.video.desktop',
in article <Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for
audio!>,
"bd" <bryce.dooley@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 considering it doesn't
have XLR inputs? Given this, what do you do for great audio?

Thanks,
Bryce

Bryce, you might want to take a look at the BeachTek model DXA-8
adapter. It attaches to the bottom of the camcorder, runs on a single
9 volt alkaline battery, and weights 2 pounds.

http://www.beachtek.com/dxa8.html

The alternative is to upgrade to an HVR-Z1 series camcorder. :)

Good luck!

--
Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
[Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/
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bd
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 considering it doesn't
have XLR inputs? Given this, what do you do for great audio?

Thanks,
Bryce
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Richard Crowley
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

"bd" wrote ...
Quote:
Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1
considering it doesn't have XLR inputs? Given this,
what do you do for great audio?

For nearly 80 years they've been using "double-system" sound.
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

Yeah, but for a run and gun shooter, this is impossible.

But, one hand on the camera, shooting, one hand on a short shotgun mic,
no shock mount, headphones on, does better than you would think...

If you are 10-20 feet away, you can do it all, it isn't as tough as
you'd think.

You actually fall into a groove of matching image and sound. If you
mispoint or mishandle the mic, you hear it, shout "go again" and keep
rolling.

BUT, getting that decent shotgun and a camera with no AGC at a
reasonable price is tough!

Panasonic GS400 plus ?Mic? = THE SOLUTION

Still waiting to hear if anybody has a GS400 and Mic and their comments
on the match up...

Don't let me be the test animal...

YKWTFIA
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Frank
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:40:15 -0700, in 'rec.video.production',
in article <Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for
audio!>,
"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley@xpr7t.net> wrote:

Quote:
"Frank" wrote ...
"bd" wrote:
Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 considering it doesn't
have XLR inputs? Given this, what do you do for great audio?

Bryce, you might want to take a look at the BeachTek model DXA-8
adapter. It attaches to the bottom of the camcorder, runs on a single
9 volt alkaline battery, and weights 2 pounds.

http://www.beachtek.com/dxa8.html

But it can't do anything to counteract the effect of ALC
in the camcorder.

Which may be why, Mr. Crowley, I mentioned the HVR-Z1 as an
alternative. :)

It seems that a number of people purchased the HDR-FX1/HDR-FX1E as
soon as it hit the market, only to later trade it in for an HVR-Z1
model in order to get the balanced XLR audio input capability.

--
Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
[Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/
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Ty Ford
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:14:52 -0400, Captain Slick wrote
(in article <wh1We.16814$626.9439@trndny08>):

Quote:
youknowwhothefuckiam@6url.com wrote:


Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the
audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this
camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something
you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO
critical for getting decent audio.

I can do it with my TRV 900

SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply
phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera.


I like the Azden SGM 1X but you need to adapt the XLR to mini stereo
plug and block the DC out on the mini-jack.

-Bill


Really. A mini jack with 48V DC? Sure it's not just bias voltage?

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
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Ty Ford
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:02:23 -0400, Dimitrios Tzortzakakis wrote
(in article <dgbrdm$mo3$1@usenet.otenet.gr>):

Quote:


--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering, freelance electrician
FH von Iraklion-Kreta, freiberuflicher Elektriker
dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
? "Captain Slick" <CaptainSlick@verizon.net> ?????? ??? ??????
news:wh1We.16814$626.9439@trndny08...
youknowwhothefuckiam@6url.com wrote:


Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the
audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this
camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something
you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO
critical for getting decent audio.

I can do it with my TRV 900

SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply
phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera.


I like the Azden SGM 1X but you need to adapt the XLR to mini stereo
plug and block the DC out on the mini-jack.

It's very easy to block with a capacitor, but I don't think it's worth the
effort.At that price range, the camera must have an excellent
microphone.(anyway, Xc=1/(omega*C), where Xc=0 for that frequency range,
also audio frequencies, to allow them pass while blocking the DC, and omega
is 2*(pi)*f, frequency in Hz.Just for comparison, the capacitor for FM and
UHF is 1 nF, and for old-fashioned AM is 100 nF, at audio frequencies should
be at uF range).




Trew Audio's Remote Audio subsidiary sells this cable. They have one for One
mic and one for two. Contact Trew on the web or in Nashville or Toronto.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
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Ty Ford
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio! Reply with quote

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:37:00 -0400, bd wrote
(in article <1126838220.046030.126100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

Quote:
Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 considering it doesn't
have XLR inputs? Given this, what do you do for great audio?

Thanks,
Bryce


Well first, the audio on both all HDV cams is not linear pcm, it's 384 kbps
stereo MPEG 2. That's about 25% of the data of a linear stream.

For truly great audio, you'd want to double record.

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
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