| Author |
Message |
Troy
Guest
|
 Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
I prefer printing on thermal white top DVDRs.Usually when printing DVDRs we
use the Everest printer that prints right to the center hole.It looks better
than silkscreening on pressed DVDs.It has magazine quality.
Glenn Dowdy <glenn.dowdy@commiecast.net> wrote in message
news:PqydnQfzLNGq0DjcRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
| Quote: |
"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:LBapd.321018$nl.173599@pd7tw3no...
I agree Richard ...."to little to late" ......thermal printing is the
way
to
go.Its cheap and durable.
How does thermal work on DVDRs?
Glenn D.
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Troy
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
It actually is a little different printing on a DVDR compaired to a CDR.When
you print just black thermal on a silver top DVDR it looks a little
strange,kind of like printing black on a mirror,at least it has been with
the DVDRs I have used.We prefer to use thermal white top DVDRs and print
them full color on top.Black also looks great on the white background.
Richard Crowley <rcrowley7@xprt.net> wrote in message
news:10qaui8nsevo4e7@corp.supernews.com...
| Quote: |
"Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.dowdy@commiecast.net> wrote in message
news:PqydnQfzLNGq0DjcRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:LBapd.321018$nl.173599@pd7tw3no...
I agree Richard ...."to little to late" ......thermal printing is the
way
to
go.Its cheap and durable.
How does thermal work on DVDRs?
Why would it be any different than on CDRs?
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Richard Crowley
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
"Glenn Dowdy" wrote ...
| Quote: |
"Richard Crowley" wrote ...
"Richard Crowley" wrote ...
And don't forget special drives with an additional blaster
LED also.
"Glenn Dowdy" wrote ...
The LightScribe enabled drives use the same laser that's used
to write the data side with.
http://www.lightscribe.com/howlightscribeworks.aspx
"Your LightScribe-enabled CD/DVD disc drive contains a
special laser that pumps light energy into a thin dye coating
on the label side of the disc."
Trust me. It's the same laser. It's been tuned a bit differently
and the drive has special firmware, but there are only two
lasers in the drive, same as any other DVD drive.
|
But still requires a special drive and special disks. Even if HP
could get all drive makers to incorporate the firmware, the discs
would likely still cost more because of the extra processing
required and likely lower volume. But I would love to be shown
wrong as it is an elegant idea. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Richard Crowley
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
"Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.dowdy@commiecast.net> wrote in message
news:PqydnQfzLNGq0DjcRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
| Quote: |
"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:LBapd.321018$nl.173599@pd7tw3no...
I agree Richard ...."to little to late" ......thermal printing is the way
to
go.Its cheap and durable.
How does thermal work on DVDRs?
|
Why would it be any different than on CDRs? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Richard Crowley
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
"agent86" wrote ...
| Quote: | So, what process is used to print the top of (major label)
pressed CDs?
|
Screen printing (aka "silk-screen") with ink/paint optimized
for printing on optical disks. Same method used to print on
T-shirts, equipment panels, and a wide variety of industrial
and consumer products. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mike Rivers
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
In article <odydnb1vrO7DuTjcRVn-pA@comcast.com> glenn.dowdy@commiecast.net writes:
| Quote: | The LightScribe enabled drives use the same laser that's used to write the
data side with.
|
Are you sure? That wasn't clear from the poop on the web site, and
they do talk about a "Lightscribe" drive. Different firmware, I guess,
to understand writing the label.
| Quote: | Media won't be that much more expensive than standard CD-Rs, and they'll
have a much better resolution.
|
Well, Sony says "only a few cents more than a standard CD-R, but I
suspect that it will be a quite a while before there's more than one
supplier, so to them, the base price of a disk is probably still close
to a buck (plus a few cents).
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mike Rivers
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
In article <aF8pd.54048$IQ.20043@bignews6.bellsouth.net> jakethedog@backyard.net writes:
| Quote: | I'm still waiting for color lasers to
come down in price (for paper), but the thermal printers sound like they
have potential for CD-Rs.
|
A couple of years ago, Casio (I think) came out with a dedicated
thermal printer for CDs that was pretty cheap, around $100 as I
recall, but the "ink" ran about half a buck per disk for a pretty
simple label (which was all it was capable of printing). I don't think
I ever saw one outside a trade show, nor a later model.
For about a year now, I've been threatening to get a Brother laser
printer for paper as soon as I run out of ink for my current inkjet.
But while the cost of the printer has come down to around $100 the
toner is still up there.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Richard Crowley
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
| Quote: | "Glenn Dowdy" wrote ...
How does thermal work on DVDRs?
|
Troy" wrote ...
| Quote: | It actually is a little different printing on a DVDR compaired
to a CDR.When you print just black thermal on a silver top
DVDR it looks a little strange,kind of like printing black on a
mirror,at least it has been with the DVDRs I have used.We prefer
to use thermal white top DVDRs and print them full color on
top.Black also looks great on the white background.
|
I guess I didn't understand the question OR the answer.
Thermal printing on "silver" disks looks the same whether they
are CDR or DVDR. Printing on white "printable" disks looks
the same whether it is a CDR or DVDR disc. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mike Rivers
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 2:09 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
In article <10qa1ls2stmema0@corp.supernews.com> rcrowley7@xprt.net writes:
| Quote: | LightScribe
It is a cool idea, but too little, too expensive, too late, I fear.
|
Hey, it's digital marketing. They'll always be able to sell The Next
Great Thing. Your next computer will have a Lightscribe drive so
you'll want to buy the disks.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dale Farmer
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:57 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
Mike Rivers wrote:
| Quote: | In article <aF8pd.54048$IQ.20043@bignews6.bellsouth.net> jakethedog@backyard.net writes:
I'm still waiting for color lasers to
come down in price (for paper), but the thermal printers sound like they
have potential for CD-Rs.
A couple of years ago, Casio (I think) came out with a dedicated
thermal printer for CDs that was pretty cheap, around $100 as I
recall, but the "ink" ran about half a buck per disk for a pretty
simple label (which was all it was capable of printing). I don't think
I ever saw one outside a trade show, nor a later model.
For about a year now, I've been threatening to get a Brother laser
printer for paper as soon as I run out of ink for my current inkjet.
But while the cost of the printer has come down to around $100 the
toner is still up there.
|
I picked up a laserjet 4si for 50 bucks at an auction a couple years
ago. Haven't even bought a new toner cartridge for it yet, as the one
that it came with was mostly full. You can find some great deals at
auction houses, you can also find people with more money than
brains.
--Dale |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mike Rivers
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:57 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
In article <10qauujofvdmo93@corp.supernews.com> rcrowley7@xprt.net writes:
[Lightscribe]
| Quote: | But still requires a special drive and special disks. Even if HP
could get all drive makers to incorporate the firmware, the discs
would likely still cost more because of the extra processing
required and likely lower volume.
|
I notice that "Licensing" is right up there at the top of their web
page. If they offer the firmware at a trivially low price, then it
will find its way into most of the drives appearing on the market in a
couple of years. Then they can make their money on the disks.
If the laser arrangement is the same as a standard drive as Glenn
says, I suppose that you burn the audio side of the disk, then turn it
over and burn the label side. I'd guess that this takes longer than
printing and sticking a paper label. People don't like stuff that
makes them wait, particularly when they can't see what's happening.
That's why we have 52X CD writers, and we still have impatient users.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Steve King
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:58 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
news:znr1101348070k@trad...
| Quote: |
In article <aF8pd.54048$IQ.20043@bignews6.bellsouth.net
jakethedog@backyard.net writes:
I'm still waiting for color lasers to
come down in price (for paper), but the thermal printers sound like they
have potential for CD-Rs.
A couple of years ago, Casio (I think) came out with a dedicated
thermal printer for CDs that was pretty cheap, around $100 as I
recall, but the "ink" ran about half a buck per disk for a pretty
simple label (which was all it was capable of printing). I don't think
I ever saw one outside a trade show, nor a later model.
For about a year now, I've been threatening to get a Brother laser
printer for paper as soon as I run out of ink for my current inkjet.
But while the cost of the printer has come down to around $100 the
toner is still up there.
Mike, I've been using a couple of Samsung laser printers (1st one @ $65, 2nd |
@ $120). I do at least two re-fills of the original toner cartridge. I'm
on my fourth re-fill on one now, which works like new.
Steve King |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Richard Crowley
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:58 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
"Mike Rivers" wrote ...
| Quote: | If the laser arrangement is the same as a standard drive as Glenn
says, I suppose that you burn the audio side of the disk, then turn it
over and burn the label side. I'd guess that this takes longer than
printing and sticking a paper label. People don't like stuff that
makes them wait, particularly when they can't see what's happening.
That's why we have 52X CD writers, and we still have impatient users.
|
Not to mention that it is black&white only while you can print
full color (photographic quality, even) with inkjet, whether on
labels or directly on the disc. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mike Rivers
Guest
|
| Posted:
Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
In article <41A5F9ED.A116D20C@cybercom.net> dale@cybercom.net writes:
| Quote: | I picked up a laserjet 4si for 50 bucks at an auction a couple years
ago. Haven't even bought a new toner cartridge for it yet, as the one
that it came with was mostly full. You can find some great deals at
auction houses, you can also find people with more money than
brains.
|
There's a pretty good used computer store around here that regularly
has 4si printers for between $60 and $100 depending on age, condition,
and amount of memory installed. But it's just a couple of inches too
big for where I want to put it - not to say that I can't move
something to make room for it. But I'm also a bit concerned about
power consumption. I think that model was still from the period where
there wasn't significantly lower standby power. This whole corner of
the house where the computers are is on a single 15A circuit so I
don't want to have a couple of hundred watts worth of printer sitting
there drawing current all the time.
The new Brother printers draw much less current printing, and very
little when idle.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Scott Dorsey
Guest
|
| Posted:
Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:10 am Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
|
|
In article <znr1101397782k@trad>, Mike Rivers <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:
| Quote: |
There's a pretty good used computer store around here that regularly
has 4si printers for between $60 and $100 depending on age, condition,
and amount of memory installed. But it's just a couple of inches too
big for where I want to put it - not to say that I can't move
something to make room for it. But I'm also a bit concerned about
power consumption. I think that model was still from the period where
there wasn't significantly lower standby power. This whole corner of
the house where the computers are is on a single 15A circuit so I
don't want to have a couple of hundred watts worth of printer sitting
there drawing current all the time.
|
The 4si has a power-saving standby mode, but the 3si does not. (The
3si is the same mechanical transport with a different processor...
postscript rendering on the 3si is also noticeably slower).
The 4M and 4M+ printers are probably a better choice if you want
something smaller. The transport speed is about a third of what the
4si speed is, but the postscript rendering is about half as fast. It
takes up less than half the desk space. SOME of the 4M printers have
a power saving standby mode and some do not; it depends on the firmware
revision. All of the 5M printers do; the 5M is mechanically similar
but not quite identical to the 4M and has much more advanced electronics.
| Quote: | The new Brother printers draw much less current printing, and very
little when idle.
|
Yes, but just wait until it comes time to change the print cartridge....
they cost as much as a new printer.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
FAQ
Memberlist
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in