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Mike Rocha
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:06 am Post subject:
Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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Just wondering if placing an adhesive label on high quality CD media (HHB,
etc) could somehow present problems to a duplication facility... I guess
issues could be the added weight of the label itself. Very little ink is
used on the label, only the basic documentation. The labels are also
centered properly with one of those handheld devices.
Thanks!
Roach
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Troy
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:
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I recomend not putting them on master or any CDs.You can buy thermal CD
printers for around 100 to 200 dollars that will give it a great look and
not harm the data.
Stick on lables are a bad idea and a really bad idea for master copies as
over time they can creat problems and even help destroy data.Some lables
have harsh chemicals thatover time can hurt the CD.
Mike Rocha <therealroach@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:PLudnWs83pfSgzncRVn-rA@rogers.com...
| Quote: | Just wondering if placing an adhesive label on high quality CD media (HHB,
etc) could somehow present problems to a duplication facility... I guess
issues could be the added weight of the label itself. Very little ink is
used on the label, only the basic documentation. The labels are also
centered properly with one of those handheld devices.
Thanks!
Roach
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Rollasoc
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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When I first got my CD-writer I used to put labels on some of them. Within
a year, none of the disks with labels were playable, all the disks I'm still
using without labels are playable about 7 years later.
Never put labels on disks. You have been warned.
Rollasoc
http://www.hairthieves.com
"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:wsWod.311790$Pl.188115@pd7tw1no...
| Quote: | I recomend not putting them on master or any CDs.You can buy thermal CD
printers for around 100 to 200 dollars that will give it a great look and
not harm the data.
Stick on lables are a bad idea and a really bad idea for master copies as
over time they can creat problems and even help destroy data.Some lables
have harsh chemicals thatover time can hurt the CD.
Mike Rocha <therealroach@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:PLudnWs83pfSgzncRVn-rA@rogers.com...
Just wondering if placing an adhesive label on high quality CD media
(HHB,
etc) could somehow present problems to a duplication facility... I guess
issues could be the added weight of the label itself. Very little ink is
used on the label, only the basic documentation. The labels are also
centered properly with one of those handheld devices.
Thanks!
Roach
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Chel van Gennip
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:09:16 +0100, Troy wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Rocha <therealroach@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:PLudnWs83pfSgzncRVn-rA@rogers.com...
Just wondering if placing an adhesive label on high quality CD media
(HHB, etc) could somehow present problems to a duplication facility...
I guess issues could be the added weight of the label itself. Very
little ink is used on the label, only the basic documentation. The
labels are also centered properly with one of those handheld devices.
I recomend not putting them on master or any CDs.You can buy thermal CD
printers for around 100 to 200 dollars that will give it a great look
and not harm the data.
Stick on lables are a bad idea and a really bad idea for master copies
as over time they can creat problems and even help destroy data.Some
lables have harsh chemicals thatover time can hurt the CD.
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I recomend inkjet printable CD's with an also cheap inkjet printer. I use
a Canaon i865 with Taiyo Yuden Tuff-Coat Inkjet White printable
CD-R(PRI53315-80P). The coating gives an extra protection for the data
layer. With the printer you can put not only basic information but quite a
lot of information on the disk, including high resolution images. The
copyright notice goes perfect in a 6pt font.
Adhesive labels can hurt the data layer and introduce unbalace.
--
Chel van Gennip
Visit Serg van Gennip's site http://www.serg.vangennip.com |
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Troy
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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Although inkjet CDs are better than lables,I woulden't use them for masters
either.Over time you can have problems with them also.Stick to thermal
printing or a marker.Stay away from ink on masters all together.Its fine on
copies of the master but just leave the master alone.Inkjet CDs can absorb
moisture over time and get all mushy al start to fall apart.There are
reports of this.Thermal printing is 100% safe...so thermal or
nothing!!!!!.....and use good media with proper storage and you will have no
problems.
Chel van Gennip <chel@vangennip.nl> wrote in message
news:30j91jF31gg4bU1@uni-berlin.de...
| Quote: | On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:09:16 +0100, Troy wrote:
Mike Rocha <therealroach@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:PLudnWs83pfSgzncRVn-rA@rogers.com...
Just wondering if placing an adhesive label on high quality CD media
(HHB, etc) could somehow present problems to a duplication facility...
I guess issues could be the added weight of the label itself. Very
little ink is used on the label, only the basic documentation. The
labels are also centered properly with one of those handheld devices.
I recomend not putting them on master or any CDs.You can buy thermal CD
printers for around 100 to 200 dollars that will give it a great look
and not harm the data.
Stick on lables are a bad idea and a really bad idea for master copies
as over time they can creat problems and even help destroy data.Some
lables have harsh chemicals thatover time can hurt the CD.
I recomend inkjet printable CD's with an also cheap inkjet printer. I use
a Canaon i865 with Taiyo Yuden Tuff-Coat Inkjet White printable
CD-R(PRI53315-80P). The coating gives an extra protection for the data
layer. With the printer you can put not only basic information but quite a
lot of information on the disk, including high resolution images. The
copyright notice goes perfect in a 6pt font.
Adhesive labels can hurt the data layer and introduce unbalace.
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Chel van Gennip
Visit Serg van Gennip's site http://www.serg.vangennip.com |
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agent86
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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Chel van Gennip wrote:
| Quote: | I recomend inkjet printable CD's with an also cheap inkjet printer. I use
a Canaon i865 with Taiyo Yuden Tuff-Coat Inkjet White printable
CD-R(PRI53315-80P). The coating gives an extra protection for the data
layer. With the printer you can put not only basic information but quite a
lot of information on the disk, including high resolution images. The
copyright notice goes perfect in a 6pt font.
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Do these use the same water soluble inks as ink jet printing on paper? |
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Troy
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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No...It is more like a wax melted onto the CD and won't harm the CD in any
way and is very durable.It is also water proof and instantly dry once
printed.We use rimage everest and prism thermal CD printers.They are very
expensive but there are small consumer models for home use made by a few
companies.The new one from Primera looks pretty cool and will print on 4
places on the CD.
agent86 <maxwellsmart@control.gov> wrote in message
news:An2pd.42681$jE2.9288@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
| Quote: | Chel van Gennip wrote:
I recomend inkjet printable CD's with an also cheap inkjet printer. I
use
a Canaon i865 with Taiyo Yuden Tuff-Coat Inkjet White printable
CD-R(PRI53315-80P). The coating gives an extra protection for the data
layer. With the printer you can put not only basic information but quite
a
lot of information on the disk, including high resolution images. The
copyright notice goes perfect in a 6pt font.
Do these use the same water soluble inks as ink jet printing on paper? |
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Richard Crowley
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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| Quote: | Chel van Gennip wrote:
I recomend inkjet printable CD's with an also cheap
inkjet printer. I use a Canaon i865 with Taiyo Yuden
Tuff-Coat Inkjet White printable CD-R(PRI53315-80P).
The coating gives an extra protection for the data layer.
With the printer you can put not only basic information
but quite a lot of information on the disk, including high
resolution images. The copyright notice goes perfect in
a 6pt font.
agent86 wrote...
Do these use the same water soluble inks as ink jet printing
on paper?
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"Troy" wrote ...
| Quote: | No...It is more like a wax melted onto the CD and won't harm
the CD in any way and is very durable.It is also water proof
and instantly dry once printed.We use rimage everest and prism
thermal CD printers.They are very expensive but there are small
consumer models for home use made by a few companies.The
new one from Primera looks pretty cool and will print on 4
places on the CD.
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It appears that Agent86 was asking about the inkjet method
described by Chel, but Troy was answering a different branch
of the thread about thermal printing?
As a user of an Epson Stylus Photo R300 inkjet printer, the
answer to Agent86's question is, yes, it uses the same water-
soluble ink as for printing on paper.
I am interested in also getting a thermal printer and would like
to hear which models people like (or dislike), and particularly
about supplies of the printing foil rolls. |
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Chel van Gennip
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:09:13 +0100, Troy wrote:
| Quote: | Although inkjet CDs are better than lables,I woulden't use them for
masters either.Over time you can have problems with them also.Stick to
thermal printing or a marker.Stay away from ink on masters all
together.Its fine on copies of the master but just leave the master
alone.Inkjet CDs can absorb moisture over time and get all mushy al
start to fall apart. There are reports of this.
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I've not encountered problems yet and i've seen no reports of problems
either.
| Quote: | Thermal printing is 100%
safe...so thermal or nothing!!!!!.....and use good media with proper
storage and you will have no problems.
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For archiving I think storage in a digital data format is more reliable
than a digital audio format. Furthermore DVD+R seems more reliable than
CD-R, because the datalayer is between polycarbonate disks. They promise
expected lifetimes >100 years under normal conditions, although I think
you will have to copy to a new format during this time because all formats
will become obsolete in time.
So for archiving I use WAV files on DVD. With the extra space you can
archive the printwork on the same DVD. Masters for CD production can
be created from this archive DVD.
--
Chel van Gennip
Visit Serg van Gennip's site http://www.serg.vangennip.com |
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Glenn Dowdy
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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"Mike Rocha" <therealroach@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:PLudnWs83pfSgzncRVn-rA@rogers.com...
| Quote: | Just wondering if placing an adhesive label on high quality CD media (HHB,
etc) could somehow present problems to a duplication facility... I guess
issues could be the added weight of the label itself. Very little ink is
used on the label, only the basic documentation. The labels are also
centered properly with one of those handheld devices.
Get this: |
www.lightscribe.com
Glenn D. |
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Richard Kuschel
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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I recomend inkjet printable CD's with an also cheap inkjet printer. I
use
a Canaon i865 with Taiyo Yuden Tuff-Coat Inkjet White printable
CD-R(PRI53315-80P). The coating gives an extra protection for the data
layer. With the printer you can put not only basic information but quite
a
lot of information on the disk, including high resolution images. The
copyright notice goes perfect in a 6pt font.
Do these use the same water soluble inks as ink jet printing on paper?
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Yes.
You need special ink jet printable discs
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty |
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Mike Rivers
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:07 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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In article <-tqdne3G96gwXjncRVn-1A@comcast.com> glenn.dowdy@commiecast.net writes:
| Quote: | www.lightscribe.com
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Are disks, drives, and software actually available yet? And at what
cost? I think not. An interesting concept, but well apart from the
question asked.
Anyone can shoot links, but unless the product is available it doesn't
solve a problem. And until the cost of "Lightscribale" media is
comprable to a disk plus a label, it will just be a cool yuppie toy
(for which we can be thankful, because that's what makes the cost
drop).
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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Troy
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:07 pm Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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Thats kind of neat but you need special LightScribe-enabled discs.I can see
these being a lot more expensive than non branded thermal printable CDs.But
it is a very cool idea for home one offs.I would like to see one in action.
Glenn Dowdy <glenn.dowdy@commiecast.net> wrote in message
news:-tqdne3G96gwXjncRVn-1A@comcast.com...
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"Mike Rocha" <therealroach@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:PLudnWs83pfSgzncRVn-rA@rogers.com...
Just wondering if placing an adhesive label on high quality CD media
(HHB,
etc) could somehow present problems to a duplication facility... I guess
issues could be the added weight of the label itself. Very little ink is
used on the label, only the basic documentation. The labels are also
centered properly with one of those handheld devices.
Get this:
www.lightscribe.com
Glenn D.
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Richard Crowley
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:23 am Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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"Troy" wrote ...
| Quote: | Thats kind of neat but you need special LightScribe-enabled discs.
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And don't forget special drives with an additional blaster LED
also.
| Quote: | I can see these being a lot more expensive than non branded
thermal printable CDs. But it is a very cool idea for home one
offs. I would like to see one in action.
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It is a cool idea, but too little, too expensive, too late, I fear. |
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agent86
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:23 am Post subject:
Re: Are CD-R labels safe to put on masters? |
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Richard Crowley wrote:
| Quote: | It appears that Agent86 was asking about the inkjet method
described by Chel, but Troy was answering a different branch
of the thread about thermal printing?
As a user of an Epson Stylus Photo R300 inkjet printer, the
answer to Agent86's question is, yes, it uses the same water-
soluble ink as for printing on paper.
I am interested in also getting a thermal printer and would like
to hear which models people like (or dislike), and particularly
about supplies of the printing foil rolls.
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Exactly. I find inkjets mostly worthless for much of anything because the
inks are not waterproof when dry (plus, the ink cartriges are just so damn
expensive, compared to laser toner). I'm still waiting for color lasers to
come down in price (for paper), but the thermal printers sound like they
have potential for CD-Rs. |
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