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Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:24 am Post subject:
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thanks for the input Specs and just learned today from a luncheon with a
broadcaster who "has the facts" that there are more than a dozen regular
weekly shows being produced with panasonic dvx100a's AND that there are
nearly two and a half times the number of panasonic dvx100a's in the field
at televisions than there are sony's fx1 & z1u's combined. that's amazing!
guess that should tell us all what we should be doing, huh? guess part of
the reason is that by and far tv stations have been pleased with panasonic's
dvcpro that litterally captured the digital tv market and has become the
STANDARD like sony used to be with beta. guess, there's a NEW LEAD horse,
huh?
thanks for all the help guys and for the lead in this matter and i hope to
report back some good results forthcoming next month OR "o geez, what do i
do now?"
leaving the FUD zone :o)
doc
"Specs" <No.Spam@Thanks.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | If I'd known you were a right-wing fundamentalist crackheaded christian
redneck I wouldn't have given you the time of day.
I think you'd be better of with the Panasonic DV100a.
"doc" <doc@drdimento.net> wrote in message
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so the sony z1u WILL record in SD 4:3? and your saying that when this
changed format from the cameras origianal design (HD 16:9) captured into
NLE
it won't degrade color and sound?
thanks in advance,
doc
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but from what i've been reading the Panasonic DVX100A has a better
audio
by
far than either the Sony FX1/Z1U and Canon XL2. have you heard
anything
thusly?
doc
Doc
Stop reading and start listening.....
By using the DV/DVCAM mode, on the FX1/Z1 respectively, you can record
in
4:3 (or 16:9) and with PCM audio using the super quiet audio section
these
cameras have.
So think of it this way, you get an excellent DV/DVCAM camera with the
bonus
of HDV thrown in too should you wish to use it in the future.
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:46 am Post subject:
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thanks so much for the recap John i absolutely loved the build at the end.
really and appreciably i had to share it with my wife who has been watching
me fall apart one piece at a time on this project. if i get this thing done
it will only be perserverence to the objective, get the program on the air
digitally by 10/1/05.
looks like the wire has approached and as John most amply projected (but not
the reasons that were indicated - the deception monsters) we're going
dvx100a's. i personally wanted the sony z1u but two local tv broadcasters
(we have 19 in our local market) shared with me that there are more than a
dozen regular weekly shows being produced with panasonic dvx100a's AND that
there are nearly two and a half times the number of panasonic dvx100a's in
the field at television stations than there are sony fx1 & z1u's COMBINED.
that's amazing! guess that should tell us all what we should at least be
directing our attention toward, huh? and, from the conversation looks like
part of the reason is that by and far tv stations have been pleased with
panasonic's dvcpro that litterally captured the digital tv market and has
become the STANDARD like sony used to be with beta. guess, there's a NEW
LEAD horse, huh?
also, when i called around to see if i could "test drive" a sony z1u, there
isn't a single one on the shelf of any store within 128 covering 3 major
cities in ohio and two major cities in pennsylvania. in fact, the largest
seller of sony z1u's sold 6 in the last year while the smallest seller
indicated that his order database was to tell but 100's anyway. thus, if
the 100's format, specs, and whatever it is that is not too cool is sooo
bad, wonder why every one is ordering them? one reason stated to me sounded
half way reasonable. . the z1u' has an identity crisis. it thinks it's a
$20,000 dvcam but it's not and thus it is the only camera on the market with
mini dv that records dvcam like the biggies but to the best of everyone i
talked to, no one knew of a minidv recorder or player that could be used.
kinda like the VHS "C" one said.
thus for local product support, system identification, and application usage
(AND since the whole SD/HD battle isn't resolved yet) we're gonna go with
the 100's and pick up yet a forth cam as the founder and co-host want to
have another wide angle that will be on them that can just be switched to
without need to focus.
thanks for all the help guys and for the lead in this matter and i hope to
report back some good results forthcoming next month OR "o geez, what do i
do now?"
leaving the FUD zone :o)
doc
"Moving Vision" <mv@movingvision.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <WDLXe.7307$i86.6440@trndny01>, doc <doc@drdimento.net> writes
thanks Steve. it is a delima. we've pretty much zero'd in on the dvx100a
and ran a test today and very pleased with what we seen while using the
camera recording in all the camera control phases as well as both SD 4:3
and
SD 16:9 (letterbox) and will post the takes tomorrow and burn off a dvd
and
tape and see how it looks. got our hope up cause we think we can get a
pretty good buy on 'em (b's)
however, someone mentioned above in another thread that the color balance
goes off during panning sequences and while we're not going to be doing a
lot of that i would be very concerned if we set this up for "live
production" and end up with white balance out :o(
doc
The DV100A (not the one without the A) provides a true anamorphic 16:9
aspect ratio just the same as the PD150/170 and others but since it has a
4:3 chip set it does it by cutting off the top and bottom 12.5% of the
picture and stretching the remaining bit into the anamorphic 16:9 ratio.
This therefore reduces the resolution by 25%. You may not notice this at
first look but you'll notice it when you have wide scenes with small
detail. Also Letter Box and anamorphic are not the same thing. Letter box
is 'pretend' 16:9 as revealed when displayed on a true 16:9 monitor when
the toy town letter box mode is still showing black bars top and bottom
and the picture is distorted. You need true anamorphic 16:9 if it's to be
shown correctly on a 16:9 TV/Monitor.
Crikey! I must get some work done. This whole strand is so cringe worthy
I'm not sure I can stand to see what seems likely to be the appalling
outcome. It's a bit like watching a horrible movie where you just know
what the awful ending is going to be half way through the film.
Is Doc gonna pull through? Will the deception monsters lead him into the
abyss? Will Doc suddenly get it together and see the light? It doesn't
look good as he repeatedly reasserts his attachment to the deception
monsters. I'll switch off now as I don't want to see our hero meet his
sticky end........
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:05 am Post subject:
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hmmmm. wonder where they're selling them? every store i contacted within
128 miles including among them akron, cleveland, and pittsubugh, didn't have
one in stock but could get one in a week, and not because their sold out but
because they just sit on the shelf. the largest seller has sold 6 in nearly
a year (8.5 months to be exact) while on the other side one small place
outside pittsburgh has sold over 100 this past summer, many to television
stations who love to through one in every car they have going to the street
because of the cameras video and sound quality. one tv producer said that
they bought three z1u's found that they had to get a separte portable dat
recorder to pack and take the ouput of the z1u to the dat for video and
carry a side pack audio mixer for sound because the sound was so poor on the
z1u. in fact, he said that the operators hated the camera soooo bad that
they preferred the old betacams and the production manager said he had to
rid the station of the beta's to force the use of the z1u and when the
panasonic rep came in he gave them some credit for their sony betacams and
loaded them up with several dvx100a's and that the stations insurance
company bought 5 more dvx100s when theree only three z1u's met with
disaster. one fell out of the back of a moving mini van (hmmm don't those
doors open up and have a ledge that nothing on the floor can fall out?),
another was dropped in a lake during a shot involving the two remaining
cams, and the 3rd was accidently run over when the bag was left on the
ground. hmmmmmm, all that happend in 6-7 months. they love the 100a's and
have since purchased two more and now there is a camera for every field
vehicle they own plus two in the studio for quickie footage like the news
update outside where they don't want to risk their $10K plus cams.
fyi,
doc
"Moving Vision" <mv@movingvision.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <gKidnZSx2Kydha3eRVn-sA@comcast.com>, Ty Ford
tyreeford@comcast.net> writes
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:24:04 -0400, Moving Vision wrote
(in article <jNATXgD0U9LDFw6+@movingvision.demon.co.uk>):
That's' why the Z1 is currently the worlds fastest selling camera and is
likely to continue to be so for a while yet.
substantiation?
Ty Ford
-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other
audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
Good grief Ty!
Over 40,000 Z1's sold since April according to Sony themselves. Perhaps
they're just lying, not.
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:39 am Post subject:
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doc wrote:
| Quote: | one tv producer said that
they bought three z1u's found that they had to get a separte portable dat
recorder to pack and take the ouput of the z1u to the dat for video
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Wow, recording video on DAT... I guess that's one step up from
Pixelvision!
| Quote: | they love the 100a's and
have since purchased two more and now there is a camera for every field
vehicle they own plus two in the studio for quickie footage like the news
update outside where they don't want to risk their $10K plus cams.
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Why don't you just buy a DVX100 and stop whining about how awful the Z1
is... while those of us who actually own Z1s carry on impressing our
clients with how great they are?
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Specs
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:44 am Post subject:
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You are a fruit cake and your mate is too.
Don't bother reporting back I doubt anyone is interested in your bullshit.
"doc" <doc@drdimento.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | thanks for the input Specs and just learned today from a luncheon with a
broadcaster who "has the facts" that there are more than a dozen regular
weekly shows being produced with panasonic dvx100a's AND that there are
nearly two and a half times the number of panasonic dvx100a's in the field
at televisions than there are sony's fx1 & z1u's combined. that's
amazing!
guess that should tell us all what we should be doing, huh? guess part of
the reason is that by and far tv stations have been pleased with
panasonic's
dvcpro that litterally captured the digital tv market and has become the
STANDARD like sony used to be with beta. guess, there's a NEW LEAD horse,
huh?
thanks for all the help guys and for the lead in this matter and i hope to
report back some good results forthcoming next month OR "o geez, what do i
do now?"
leaving the FUD zone :o)
doc
"Specs" <No.Spam@Thanks.com> wrote in message
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If I'd known you were a right-wing fundamentalist crackheaded christian
redneck I wouldn't have given you the time of day.
I think you'd be better of with the Panasonic DV100a.
"doc" <doc@drdimento.net> wrote in message
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so the sony z1u WILL record in SD 4:3? and your saying that when this
changed format from the cameras origianal design (HD 16:9) captured
into
NLE
it won't degrade color and sound?
thanks in advance,
doc
"Specs" <No.Spam@Thanks.com> wrote in message
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"doc" <doc@drdimento.net> wrote in message
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but from what i've been reading the Panasonic DVX100A has a better
audio
by
far than either the Sony FX1/Z1U and Canon XL2. have you heard
anything
thusly?
doc
Doc
Stop reading and start listening.....
By using the DV/DVCAM mode, on the FX1/Z1 respectively, you can
record
in
4:3 (or 16:9) and with PCM audio using the super quiet audio section
these
cameras have.
So think of it this way, you get an excellent DV/DVCAM camera with
the
bonus
of HDV thrown in too should you wish to use it in the future.
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Moving Vision
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject:
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In article <5YZXe.8423$T55.6690@trndny06>, doc <doc@drdimento.net>
writes
| Quote: | hmmmm. wonder where they're selling them? every store i contacted within
128 miles including among them akron, cleveland, and pittsubugh, didn't have
one in stock but could get one in a week, and not because their sold out but
because they just sit on the shelf. the largest seller has sold 6 in nearly
a year (8.5 months to be exact) while on the other side one small place
outside pittsburgh has sold over 100 this past summer, many to television
stations who love to through one in every car they have going to the street
because of the cameras video and sound quality. one tv producer said that
they bought three z1u's found that they had to get a separte portable dat
recorder to pack and take the ouput of the z1u to the dat for video and
carry a side pack audio mixer for sound because the sound was so poor on the
z1u. in fact, he said that the operators hated the camera soooo bad that
they preferred the old betacams and the production manager said he had to
rid the station of the beta's to force the use of the z1u and when the
panasonic rep came in he gave them some credit for their sony betacams and
loaded them up with several dvx100a's and that the stations insurance
company bought 5 more dvx100s when theree only three z1u's met with
disaster. one fell out of the back of a moving mini van (hmmm don't those
doors open up and have a ledge that nothing on the floor can fall out?),
another was dropped in a lake during a shot involving the two remaining
cams, and the 3rd was accidently run over when the bag was left on the
ground. hmmmmmm, all that happend in 6-7 months. they love the 100a's and
have since purchased two more and now there is a camera for every field
vehicle they own plus two in the studio for quickie footage like the news
update outside where they don't want to risk their $10K plus cams.
fyi,
doc
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Ty Ford
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Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:53 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:03:51 -0400, Moving Vision wrote
(in article <DFLblCHH8EMDFwWn@movingvision.demon.co.uk>):
| Quote: | In article <gKidnZSx2Kydha3eRVn-sA@comcast.com>, Ty Ford
tyreeford@comcast.net> writes
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:24:04 -0400, Moving Vision wrote
(in article <jNATXgD0U9LDFw6+@movingvision.demon.co.uk>):
That's' why the Z1 is currently the worlds fastest selling camera and is
likely to continue to be so for a while yet.
substantiation?
Ty Ford
-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
Good grief Ty!
Over 40,000 Z1's sold since April according to Sony themselves. Perhaps
they're just lying, not.
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Ahhh according to Sony. OK. Used by soccer moms or by pros. If it were by
pros we'd be stumbling over them like empty soda cans after the soccer game.
Ty
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Good grief Ty!
Over 40,000 Z1's sold since April according to Sony themselves. Perhaps
they're just lying, not.
Ahhh according to Sony. OK. Used by soccer moms or by pros. If it were by
pros we'd be stumbling over them like empty soda cans after the soccer game.
Ty
-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
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You really believe that soccer moms and home movie buffs are buying
Z1's?
I personally know of several Z1's in pro hands not yet heard of one in
the hands of a purely domestic user. Quite frankly I don't expect to
either. The BBC who have a couple of thousand compact DV's, mostly
PD150's and PD170's, are in the process of replacing them all with Z1's.
We have three Z1's and an FX1. This morning I received an A1, must be
amongst the first few in the UK, haven't had time to explore it much yet
but as far as I have been able to it's looking pretty amazing. It seems
to have a picture quality generally similar to the Z1, at least in the
good light conditions tested so far. Astonishing for such a tiny camera
costing less than $2,500. It appears to me that the A1 profoundly
underlines the nature of the acquisition revolution that is upsetting so
many old school investments.
Whatever next?
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Specs
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Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:52 am Post subject:
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"Moving Vision" <mv@movingvision.co.uk> wrote in message
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Good grief Ty!
Over 40,000 Z1's sold since April according to Sony themselves. Perhaps
they're just lying, not.
Ahhh according to Sony. OK. Used by soccer moms or by pros. If it were by
pros we'd be stumbling over them like empty soda cans after the soccer
game.
Ty
-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other
audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
You really believe that soccer moms and home movie buffs are buying
Z1's?
I personally know of several Z1's in pro hands not yet heard of one in
the hands of a purely domestic user. Quite frankly I don't expect to
either. The BBC who have a couple of thousand compact DV's, mostly
PD150's and PD170's, are in the process of replacing them all with Z1's.
We have three Z1's and an FX1. This morning I received an A1, must be
amongst the first few in the UK, haven't had time to explore it much yet
but as far as I have been able to it's looking pretty amazing. It seems
to have a picture quality generally similar to the Z1, at least in the
good light conditions tested so far. Astonishing for such a tiny camera
costing less than $2,500. It appears to me that the A1 profoundly
underlines the nature of the acquisition revolution that is upsetting so
many old school investments.
Whatever next?
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John Lubran
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John
If you have a few moments could you do a comparison between the A1 and Z1
for the group?
Cheers
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Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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some people just HATE the truth :o(
doc
"Specs" <No.Spam@Thanks.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | You are a fruit cake and your mate is too.
Don't bother reporting back I doubt anyone is interested in your bullshit.
"doc" <doc@drdimento.net> wrote in message
news:1mZXe.8693$i86.8253@trndny01...
thanks for the input Specs and just learned today from a luncheon with a
broadcaster who "has the facts" that there are more than a dozen regular
weekly shows being produced with panasonic dvx100a's AND that there are
nearly two and a half times the number of panasonic dvx100a's in the
field
at televisions than there are sony's fx1 & z1u's combined. that's
amazing!
guess that should tell us all what we should be doing, huh? guess part
of
the reason is that by and far tv stations have been pleased with
panasonic's
dvcpro that litterally captured the digital tv market and has become the
STANDARD like sony used to be with beta. guess, there's a NEW LEAD
horse,
huh?
thanks for all the help guys and for the lead in this matter and i hope
to
report back some good results forthcoming next month OR "o geez, what do
i
do now?"
leaving the FUD zone :o)
doc
"Specs" <No.Spam@Thanks.com> wrote in message
news:4330259f$0$1275$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
If I'd known you were a right-wing fundamentalist crackheaded christian
redneck I wouldn't have given you the time of day.
I think you'd be better of with the Panasonic DV100a.
"doc" <doc@drdimento.net> wrote in message
news:pxVXe.19930$265.13050@trndny07...
so the sony z1u WILL record in SD 4:3? and your saying that when this
changed format from the cameras origianal design (HD 16:9) captured
into
NLE
it won't degrade color and sound?
thanks in advance,
doc
"Specs" <No.Spam@Thanks.com> wrote in message
news:432fc91e$0$97110$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
"doc" <doc@drdimento.net> wrote in message
news:eqLXe.4303$iu5.901@trndny04...
but from what i've been reading the Panasonic DVX100A has a better
audio
by
far than either the Sony FX1/Z1U and Canon XL2. have you heard
anything
thusly?
doc
Doc
Stop reading and start listening.....
By using the DV/DVCAM mode, on the FX1/Z1 respectively, you can
record
in
4:3 (or 16:9) and with PCM audio using the super quiet audio section
these
cameras have.
So think of it this way, you get an excellent DV/DVCAM camera with
the
bonus
of HDV thrown in too should you wish to use it in the future.
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Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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geez, John. the A1 is a pro camera? for less than $2500?
doc
"Moving Vision" <mv@movingvision.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: |
Good grief Ty!
Over 40,000 Z1's sold since April according to Sony themselves. Perhaps
they're just lying, not.
Ahhh according to Sony. OK. Used by soccer moms or by pros. If it were by
pros we'd be stumbling over them like empty soda cans after the soccer
game.
Ty
-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other
audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
You really believe that soccer moms and home movie buffs are buying Z1's?
I personally know of several Z1's in pro hands not yet heard of one in the
hands of a purely domestic user. Quite frankly I don't expect to either.
The BBC who have a couple of thousand compact DV's, mostly PD150's and
PD170's, are in the process of replacing them all with Z1's. We have three
Z1's and an FX1. This morning I received an A1, must be amongst the first
few in the UK, haven't had time to explore it much yet but as far as I
have been able to it's looking pretty amazing. It seems to have a picture
quality generally similar to the Z1, at least in the good light conditions
tested so far. Astonishing for such a tiny camera costing less than
$2,500. It appears to me that the A1 profoundly underlines the nature of
the acquisition revolution that is upsetting so many old school
investments.
Whatever next?
--
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Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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John, you had any experience with the DVC60?
doc
"Moving Vision" <mv@movingvision.co.uk> wrote in message
news:xyrnoKBFsSMDFwys@movingvision.demon.co.uk...
| Quote: | In article <5YZXe.8423$T55.6690@trndny06>, doc <doc@drdimento.net> writes
hmmmm. wonder where they're selling them? every store i contacted within
128 miles including among them akron, cleveland, and pittsubugh, didn't
have
one in stock but could get one in a week, and not because their sold out
but
because they just sit on the shelf. the largest seller has sold 6 in
nearly
a year (8.5 months to be exact) while on the other side one small place
outside pittsburgh has sold over 100 this past summer, many to television
stations who love to through one in every car they have going to the
street
because of the cameras video and sound quality. one tv producer said that
they bought three z1u's found that they had to get a separte portable dat
recorder to pack and take the ouput of the z1u to the dat for video and
carry a side pack audio mixer for sound because the sound was so poor on
the
z1u. in fact, he said that the operators hated the camera soooo bad that
they preferred the old betacams and the production manager said he had to
rid the station of the beta's to force the use of the z1u and when the
panasonic rep came in he gave them some credit for their sony betacams and
loaded them up with several dvx100a's and that the stations insurance
company bought 5 more dvx100s when theree only three z1u's met with
disaster. one fell out of the back of a moving mini van (hmmm don't those
doors open up and have a ledge that nothing on the floor can fall out?),
another was dropped in a lake during a shot involving the two remaining
cams, and the 3rd was accidently run over when the bag was left on the
ground. hmmmmmm, all that happend in 6-7 months. they love the 100a's
and
have since purchased two more and now there is a camera for every field
vehicle they own plus two in the studio for quickie footage like the news
update outside where they don't want to risk their $10K plus cams.
fyi,
doc
Whatever
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Mark, have you had any exprience with the DVC60?
doc
<mmaker@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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one tv producer said that
they bought three z1u's found that they had to get a separte portable dat
recorder to pack and take the ouput of the z1u to the dat for video
Wow, recording video on DAT... I guess that's one step up from
Pixelvision!
they love the 100a's and
have since purchased two more and now there is a camera for every field
vehicle they own plus two in the studio for quickie footage like the news
update outside where they don't want to risk their $10K plus cams.
Why don't you just buy a DVX100 and stop whining about how awful the Z1
is... while those of us who actually own Z1s carry on impressing our
clients with how great they are?
Mark
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John
If you have a few moments could you do a comparison between the A1 and Z1
for the group?
Cheers
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Should have a clearer perspective over the next few days. Clearly it's a
specialist camera, under cover documentaries, mountaineering
expeditions, video diaries etc. It doesn't have manual control over gain
and with a relatively poor low light rating of lux 7 at 0db it's
probably kicking in quite a lot, in which case the gain looks pretty
clean and free of grain. It's a great little tool though and a perfect
'stable mate' for the Z1's. I like the build too, oozes the best of
Sony quality, feels surprisingly heavy for it's size and will take a bit
of getting used to ergonomically. But even if I never use it it's
delightful enough to put in a frame and hang on the wall!!! And it's
1080i HDV as well as DVCAM, DV native wide screen switchable. Bloody
amazing really. I have no doubt it will get plenty of air time on TV and
wouldn't surprise me in the least if it gets used for specialist
sections in HD features.
By the way, BT is launching low cost 40 meg broadband down the copper
wire next year. So I guess that will be the same for the whole global
community. Wow! Global Community? Now there's a concept hardly
considered in some quarters. With the ingenious compression codecs
emerging along the same time line the transmission of instant multi
channel HD broad band is an actual reality. Is there any reason for the
existence of satellite, cable or terrestrial platforms in such a
reality? Glad I'm not an 'investee' in the current establishment, or one
of its sycophantic believers. It's all up for grabs folks and you don't
need to be a corporate giant either, just smart and creative.
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"Moving Vision" <mv@movingvision.co.uk> wrote in message
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John
If you have a few moments could you do a comparison between the A1 and Z1
for the group?
Cheers
-()()-
Should have a clearer perspective over the next few days. Clearly it's a
specialist camera, under cover documentaries, mountaineering
expeditions, video diaries etc. It doesn't have manual control over gain
and with a relatively poor low light rating of lux 7 at 0db it's
probably kicking in quite a lot, in which case the gain looks pretty
clean and free of grain. It's a great little tool though and a perfect
'stable mate' for the Z1's. I like the build too, oozes the best of
Sony quality, feels surprisingly heavy for it's size and will take a bit
of getting used to ergonomically. But even if I never use it it's
delightful enough to put in a frame and hang on the wall!!! And it's
1080i HDV as well as DVCAM, DV native wide screen switchable. Bloody
amazing really. I have no doubt it will get plenty of air time on TV and
wouldn't surprise me in the least if it gets used for specialist
sections in HD features.
By the way, BT is launching low cost 40 meg broadband down the copper
wire next year. So I guess that will be the same for the whole global
community. Wow! Global Community? Now there's a concept hardly
considered in some quarters. With the ingenious compression codecs
emerging along the same time line the transmission of instant multi
channel HD broad band is an actual reality. Is there any reason for the
existence of satellite, cable or terrestrial platforms in such a
reality? Glad I'm not an 'investee' in the current establishment, or one
of its sycophantic believers. It's all up for grabs folks and you don't
need to be a corporate giant either, just smart and creative.
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John Lubran
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Absolutely John. The Blog and podcasts are just the beginnings of real
public broadcasting. As our bandwidth increases we, the video crowd, have
no excuses. Both the blog and the podcast show the future of broadcasting.
Gone will be the schedules and specialised content on demand will reign
supreme. While I flinch at lining Murdox coffers Sky+ has revolutionised
how I watch TV. While the nation sits and watches imported American trash I
can sit down and watch a doc by Adam Curtis or 3 weeks last Wenesday's
Newsnight. Take the Sky+ idea forward, remove the sat feed and replace it
with 40 meg broadband and allow the user to generate their own schedule by
subscribing to video RSS feeds like we do for podcasts and blogs currently.
I think you'll agree its an exciting future... It'll be here before you can
say stop the multinationals making it proprietry technology....
Who knows I might be tuning into movingvision.tv.rss sometime!
I'd really like to know how the A1 goes. I think either the Z1 or the A1 is
my next camera.
Are the docs you are shooting with your Z1s et al going to be broadcast in
the UK?
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