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Marty
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:28 am Post subject:
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Somewhere around Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:24:44 -0600, while reading
alt.video.dvd.tech, I think I thought I saw this post from "ME"
<Not@this.One>:
| Quote: | Another person like me who also blows the "don't put labels on DVD myth"
that so many KNOW IT ALLS on here carry on.
I have done 100's and NEVER had one problem. They need to buy a better DVD
burner, not some Ching Foo Yuck brand.
Also no discs named Toyo Fooyung or whatever they call them. Use some
Memorex or other name brand. Hell, I have had GREAT results from Staples
branded DVD-R discs.
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You're still spouting your nonsense? I suppose you actually think Staples
makes their own discs? I'll bet they are made by different manufacturers
depending on batch, and probably one of the ones you think are crappy. You
still think Taiyo Yuden are crappy disks, even though they are known to be
one of the best, and make many of the so called name brands.
BTW, which label maker do you work for?
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"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...
well, I have others." - Groucho Marx
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ME
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:42 am Post subject:
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Whoever or whatever you are talking about.
What difference does it matter WHO makes the discs as long as they work? It
is NOT likely that Staples or any other retailer changes disc vendors on a
whim. They probably order in batches of millions and millions. I've gone
through about 100 + DVD-R discs now and have had great results with them.
Not one coaster. Your mileage may vary.
Just don't spout on that discs with labels are ALWAYS bad. That is a
falsehood.
Labels WILL work fine IF you use a disc applying device to stick them on.
If you do it by hand you WILL scree up and get them off centered.
Off centered disc wont't likely be a problem unless you have a cruddy
no-name drive.
I don't work for any disc label maker. But Memroex disc labels are just fine
for DVD's.
BTW, did you grow up in Japan or own stock in that company? You sure like
Taiyo Yuden. Don't you think that other companies can make quality discs
too?
"Marty" <this.address@is.invalid> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Somewhere around Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:24:44 -0600, while reading
alt.video.dvd.tech, I think I thought I saw this post from "ME"
Not@this.One>:
Another person like me who also blows the "don't put labels on DVD myth"
that so many KNOW IT ALLS on here carry on.
I have done 100's and NEVER had one problem. They need to buy a better DVD
burner, not some Ching Foo Yuck brand.
Also no discs named Toyo Fooyung or whatever they call them. Use some
Memorex or other name brand. Hell, I have had GREAT results from Staples
branded DVD-R discs.
You're still spouting your nonsense? I suppose you actually think Staples
makes their own discs? I'll bet they are made by different manufacturers
depending on batch, and probably one of the ones you think are crappy.
You
still think Taiyo Yuden are crappy disks, even though they are known to be
one of the best, and make many of the so called name brands.
BTW, which label maker do you work for?
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Marty - public.forums (at) gmail (dot) com
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...
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Marty
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:24 am Post subject:
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Somewhere around Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:42:05 -0600, while reading
alt.video.dvd.tech, I think I thought I saw this post from "ME"
<Not@this.One>:
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Just don't spout on that discs with labels are ALWAYS bad. That is a
falsehood.
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I never said anything about labels - I said something about disks.
| Quote: | BTW, did you grow up in Japan or own stock in that company? You sure like
aiyo Yuden. Don't you think that other companies can make quality discs
too?
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Sure, but not Memorex or Staples - they don't make disks at all. But the
ones you put down like Taiyo Yuden do make disks, and they are high quality.
So is another Japanese brand, from Mitsubishi. I've read your rants before,
and you always put down what you think are inferior Taiyo Yuden disks.
You seem to have a problem with Japanese - why am I not surprised you're a
bigot on top of a know it all in your own mind?
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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
-William G. McAdoo
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"Marty" <this.address@is.invalid> wrote in message
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You're still spouting your nonsense? I suppose you actually think Staples
makes their own discs? I'll bet they are made by different manufacturers
depending on batch, and probably one of the ones you think are crappy.
You
still think Taiyo Yuden are crappy disks, even though they are known to be
one of the best, and make many of the so called name brands.
BTW, which label maker do you work for?
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Marty - public.forums (at) gmail (dot) com
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...
well, I have others." - Groucho Marx
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Bob
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:24:22 GMT, Marty <this.address@is.invalid>
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| Quote: | You seem to have a problem with Japanese
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That's funny because the Japs are the acknowledged leaders in optical
media. TY and MCC (and its authorized affiliates in other countries)
are the best made.
Here's what the experts have to say. These guys live and breathe this
DVD media stuff, complete with Nero scans and all.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=146146
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Bill Vermillion
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject:
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In article <YJtVe.5564$Ma.4657@fe07.lga>, ME <Not@this.One> wrote:
| Quote: | What difference does it matter WHO makes the discs as long as
they work? It is NOT likely that Staples or any other retailer
changes disc vendors on a whim.
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Not on a whim. It's whoever can give them the best price.
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Bill Vermillion
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject:
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In article <YJtVe.5564$Ma.4657@fe07.lga>, ME <Not@this.One> wrote:
| Quote: | Whoever or whatever you are talking about.
What difference does it matter WHO makes the discs as long as they work? It
is NOT likely that Staples or any other retailer changes disc vendors on a
whim. They probably order in batches of millions and millions. I've gone
through about 100 + DVD-R discs now and have had great results with them.
Not one coaster. Your mileage may vary.
Just don't spout on that discs with labels are ALWAYS bad. That is a
falsehood.
Labels WILL work fine IF you use a disc applying device to stick them on.
If you do it by hand you WILL scree up and get them off centered.
Off centered disc wont't likely be a problem unless you have a cruddy
no-name drive.
I don't work for any disc label maker. But Memroex disc labels are just fine
for DVD's.
BTW, did you grow up in Japan or own stock in that company? You sure like
Taiyo Yuden. Don't you think that other companies can make quality discs
too?
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Taiyo Yuden is one of the best manufacturers, and I've had brand
name disks that have IDed as Taiyo. They are about the most
expensive when you buy them by that brand name.
There are very few DVD manufacturers left in Japan BTW. Most have
been in Taiwan with some coming up on line in India.
It is so expensive to build a plant that some who used to make
their own get them from a major manufacturer. And you'll probably
NOT recognize the name of the manufacturer. The competition has
been so great that a handful of manufacturers make virtually all
the DVDs out there.
I've been using some Fuji lately that have been made by Ricoh [a
long time OEM for almost everything including printers that are
as large as my car]. My current TDKs are made by CMC - division
of Mistubishi, while the last batch of TDKs were made by Ritek.
And you can find different manufacturers of the same brand sitting
side by side on store shelves.
Most DVD burning programs will give you the manufacturer identity -
which is almost always not the sane as the brand on the disk.
As to TY - a local duplication house uses them for their best jobs.
You'll find the TY cost about 10 to 15 cents more per disk when you
buy them in 100-400 disk lots.
Bill
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Bob
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:05:01 GMT, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <YJtVe.5564$Ma.4657@fe07.lga>, ME <Not@this.One> wrote:
What difference does it matter WHO makes the discs as long as
they work? It is NOT likely that Staples or any other retailer
changes disc vendors on a whim.
Not on a whim. It's whoever can give them the best price.
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Sam's Club has 16x Verbatim (MCC) for $42 per 100. Nobody can come
near that price.
CDFreaks rate the Verbatim MCC discs highly. In general CDFreaks rate
Verbatim second to TY.
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Greatest Movie Line Ever
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/MovieLine.wmv
"What is history but the story of how politicians have
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Bob
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:33 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:05:01 GMT, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) wrote:
| Quote: | What difference does it matter WHO makes the discs as long as
they work? It is NOT likely that Staples or any other retailer
changes disc vendors on a whim.
Not on a whim. It's whoever can give them the best price.
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However, I had a batch of Maxell 4x DVD +RW (Philips 041)that would
not format with Nero, yet the ones branded Imation (Philips 041) did
format.
That seems to imply that the MID is not reliable. The two discs were
noticably different in terms of the legend on the inner clear area.
--
Greatest Movie Line Ever
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/MovieLine.wmv
"What is history but the story of how politicians have
squandered the blood and treasure of the human race?"
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Marty
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject:
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Somewhere around Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:05:01 GMT, while reading
alt.video.dvd.tech, I think I thought I saw this post from bv@wjv.com (Bill
Vermillion):
| Quote: | I've been using some Fuji lately that have been made by Ricoh [a
long time OEM for almost everything including printers that are
as large as my car]. My current TDKs are made by CMC - division
of Mistubishi, while the last batch of TDKs were made by Ritek.
Did you get CMC and MCC mixed up? I know MCC is Mitsubishi Chem Co, but I |
think CMC is different. I do know that CMC makes HP discs in addition to
some TDK. I bought a bunch of HP CD-R discs cheap from staples some time
ago, and they had the same manufacturing code as the TDK discs I got at
Costco.
TDK is a strange brand to me, in that they could be made by TDK (supposedly
excellent), or one of several other companies that aren't as good. I don't
really know if TDK still makes them or not; I've never actually seen one.
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Bill G
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:42 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:31:09 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:05:01 GMT, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) wrote:
In article <YJtVe.5564$Ma.4657@fe07.lga>, ME <Not@this.One> wrote:
What difference does it matter WHO makes the discs as long as
they work? It is NOT likely that Staples or any other retailer
changes disc vendors on a whim.
Not on a whim. It's whoever can give them the best price.
Sam's Club has 16x Verbatim (MCC) for $42 per 100. Nobody can come
near that price.
CDFreaks rate the Verbatim MCC discs highly. In general CDFreaks rate
Verbatim second to TY.
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Last I saw, only the Verbatim DataLife Plus were rated second to TY.
The 'regular' Verbatim line was rated significantly lower. Not sure if
this is still the case, tho.
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Bill Vermillion
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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In article <e9elj1t2td8t3o23kiau4db9bo9l56q56n@4ax.com>,
Marty <my gmail address> wrote:
| Quote: | Somewhere around Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:05:01 GMT, while reading
alt.video.dvd.tech, I think I thought I saw this post from bv@wjv.com (Bill
Vermillion):
I've been using some Fuji lately that have been made by Ricoh [a
long time OEM for almost everything including printers that are
as large as my car]. My current TDKs are made by CMC - division
of Mistubishi, while the last batch of TDKs were made by Ritek.
Did you get CMC and MCC mixed up? I know MCC is Mitsubishi Chem
Co, but I think CMC is different. I do know that CMC makes HP
discs in addition to some TDK. I bought a bunch of HP CD-R
discs cheap from staples some time ago, and they had the same
manufacturing code as the TDK discs I got at Costco.
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I've had both CMC and MCC. And when I got some TDK's from Costco
I wound up with two different manufacturer IDs. Since my external
burner [ my first ] and the current internal had TDK brands I
figured they'd re-brand disks that worked for them. One set would
burn at 8K the other got flaky and burned well at 4K.
| Quote: | TDK is a strange brand to me, in that they could be made by TDK
(supposedly excellent), or one of several other companies that
aren't as good. I don't really know if TDK still makes them or
not; I've never actually seen one.
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TDK made some of the best CD-R disks available. But I don't know
that they ever made any DVD's themselves. However their site
has info on some HD or Blu-Ray disks that look like they are making
them and have an extremely durable finish.
I think the HPs I got were CMC.
I'll try to dig out the disks and check the ID's tomorrow.
Bill
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Marty - public.forums (at) gmail (dot) com
"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...
well, I have others." - Groucho Marx
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creme o sum yung chip
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:08 pm Post subject:
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DON`T USE PAPER LABELS, even if the paper labels work now, the glue will
eventually loosen from the heat, etc....... and ruin the discs.
"ME" <Not@this.One> wrote in message news:Yr6Ve.2022$6Z3.441@fe06.lga...
| Quote: | More likely the DVD Drive. Alot of people on here that complain are likely
using $25 el-crappo brand from some Chinese computer store front on the
west side of town.
"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 08:45:08 -0500, George <steber@execpc.com> wrote:
I make 10 to 20 DVDs per month for friends and myself using printed
labels (Neato) and have never had one fail or cause a problem. Some are
now several years old and holding up well.
I suspect the quality of the label material plays a crucial role.
--
Greatest Movie Line Ever
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/MovieLine.wmv
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within
limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add
'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's
will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."
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Bob
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:42:36 GMT, Bill G <niobrara969@none.invalid>
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| Quote: | CDFreaks rate the Verbatim MCC discs highly. In general CDFreaks rate
Verbatim second to TY.
Last I saw, only the Verbatim DataLife Plus were rated second to TY.
The 'regular' Verbatim line was rated significantly lower. Not sure if
this is still the case, tho.
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I am referring to the subforum:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=146146
Verbatim is owned by Mistubishi, and some discs are made in Japan
under the MID "MCC". For example, I got a stack of 100 Verbatim 16x
DVD -R for $42 at Sam's Club and the MID is "MCC 03RG20".
The participants on that forum claim that although Mitsubishi does
commission other factories in other countries to make Verbatim DVD
discs, the same quality standards are imposed by Mitsubishi as with
their MCC (Mitsubishi Chemical Co.) factory.
However I am not completely buying this "same quality standards"
stuff, although with MCC it is believable. I bought some Imation 4x
DVD +RW for my DVDR and they had an MID "Philips 041". They worked
fine, in fact I bought some more for use with my burner. Then I
spotted a deep sale - Maxell 4x for half price. The MID was identical
"Philips 041".
The first one formatted and recorded properly, but the next one did
not. The DVDR claimed it had set it up correctly, but it failed to
record two shows, which I ended up missing as a result. I then tried
to format the discs with Nero ("full-erase" at 4x) and the first one
worked but the bad one did not and the next 2 did not. That's 3 bad
discs out of the first 4 in the stack. So back to Walmart they go.
The moral of this anecdote is that you must be very selective when it
comes to DVD media. The manufacturers are pulling fast ones with the
MID.
--
Greatest Movie Line Ever
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/MovieLine.wmv
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Bob
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:55:01 GMT, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) wrote:
| Quote: | Since my external
burner [ my first ] and the current internal had TDK brands I
figured they'd re-brand disks that worked for them. One set would
burn at 8K the other got flaky and burned well at 4K.
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The only way you can know for sure is to look at the internal table to
see if your burner recognizes a particular MID. For a reader:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=114269&highlight=media
| Quote: | TDK made some of the best CD-R disks available.
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They also make the some of the best VCR tapes.
--
Greatest Movie Line Ever
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/MovieLine.wmv
"What is history but the story of how politicians have
squandered the blood and treasure of the human race?"
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Bill Vermillion
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
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In article <tp1pj1pfo8d7eqnu8l6c6r98mvmg8h13pk@4ax.com>,
Marty <my gmail address> wrote:
| Quote: | Somewhere around Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:24:19 GMT, while reading
alt.video.dvd.tech, I think I thought I saw this post from spam@uce.gov
(Bob):
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:55:01 GMT, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) wrote:
Since my external
burner [ my first ] and the current internal had TDK brands I
figured they'd re-brand disks that worked for them. One set would
burn at 8K the other got flaky and burned well at 4K.
The only way you can know for sure is to look at the internal table to
see if your burner recognizes a particular MID. For a reader:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=114269&highlight=media
TDK made some of the best CD-R disks available.
They also make the some of the best VCR tapes.
And, in my opinion, cassette tapes. Back in another lifetime,
I worked for Dolby Labs (Licensing), and did a lot of testing
of tapes and decks. I found TDK AD tapes to be very good, low
distortion, low dropouts. Before that, I used to think Maxell was
the best, but I changed my mind.
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And we used the use the Super Avalyn [SA] tapes for dubs of masters
for clients to listen to before continuing on.
For standard cassettes we had a duplication house next to us load
cassettes with Agfa - which was also very good for standard run
tapes.
The only weirdness we found was with the sound of the Nakamichi
that were used at times. And then we found the original Naks
used the original spec for EQ curves, while everyone else used a
modified curve as it was cheaper and easier to do.
Then we found out there was a Nak with a 'B' curve - that matched
the industry standard but not the sepcifications.
And speaking of Maxell. At one time a client came in with a
16-track master that was on a 2" rell of Maxell. It was the only
time I'd seen Maxell in a 'pro' format.
Bill
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