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Sock Puppet #4
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:06 am Post subject:
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Please don't laugh at me, but...
Compression, in all instances of my using it, tends to thicken up the wav by
lowering the peaks and pumping up the valleys, for a uniform sound.
But what if I want to do the opposite? Meaning, I want to further the divide
between both. For example, trying to get the snap of a snare to come out
more, and less of its trail. Say, everything above -6db gets a boost (or
stays put) while everything below it disappears a bit more (gradually, not
noise-gate-like).
What kind of settings would I use?
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terry
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:06 am Post subject:
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"Sock Puppet #4" <nothanks@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Please don't laugh at me, but...
Compression, in all instances of my using it, tends to thicken up the wav
by
lowering the peaks and pumping up the valleys, for a uniform sound.
But what if I want to do the opposite? Meaning, I want to further the
divide
between both. For example, trying to get the snap of a snare to come out
more, and less of its trail. Say, everything above -6db gets a boost (or
stays put) while everything below it disappears a bit more (gradually, not
noise-gate-like).
What kind of settings would I use?
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What you want is often called an 'Expander'. |
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Predrag Trpkov
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject:
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"terry" <reply2group@thanks.zzz> wrote in message
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"Sock Puppet #4" <nothanks@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:30ieojF2vppgsU1@uni-berlin.de...
Please don't laugh at me, but...
Compression, in all instances of my using it, tends to thicken up the
wav
by
lowering the peaks and pumping up the valleys, for a uniform sound.
But what if I want to do the opposite? Meaning, I want to further the
divide
between both. For example, trying to get the snap of a snare to come out
more, and less of its trail. Say, everything above -6db gets a boost (or
stays put) while everything below it disappears a bit more (gradually,
not
noise-gate-like).
What kind of settings would I use?
What you want is often called an 'Expander'.
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As an alternative, the SPL Transient Designer is probably the ultimate tool
for what you have in mind.
Predrag |
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Scott Dorsey
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 2:04 pm Post subject:
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Sock Puppet #4 <nothanks@nospam.com> wrote:
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Compression, in all instances of my using it, tends to thicken up the wav by
lowering the peaks and pumping up the valleys, for a uniform sound.
But what if I want to do the opposite? Meaning, I want to further the divide
between both. For example, trying to get the snap of a snare to come out
more, and less of its trail. Say, everything above -6db gets a boost (or
stays put) while everything below it disappears a bit more (gradually, not
noise-gate-like).
What kind of settings would I use?
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You would use an expander, not a compressor. dbx used to make some popular
ones.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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EganMedia
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject:
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<< As an alternative, the SPL Transient Designer is probably the ultimate tool
for what you have in mind.
They have mp3 deomos on their website. The Transient designer is amazing. In
the plugin world, Waves and Sony both make transient modifying products which
are designed to act differently than standard compressors/expanders.
Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com |
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Ricky W. Hunt
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Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:23 am Post subject:
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Sock Puppet #4 <nothanks@nospam.com> wrote:
Compression, in all instances of my using it, tends to thicken up the wav
by
lowering the peaks and pumping up the valleys, for a uniform sound.
But what if I want to do the opposite? Meaning, I want to further the
divide
between both. For example, trying to get the snap of a snare to come out
more, and less of its trail. Say, everything above -6db gets a boost (or
stays put) while everything below it disappears a bit more (gradually, not
noise-gate-like).
What kind of settings would I use?
You would use an expander, not a compressor. dbx used to make some
popular
ones.
--scott
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Most software than allows for negative ratios also function as expanders. |
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Mike Caffrey
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Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:28 am Post subject:
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"Sock Puppet #4" <nothanks@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<30ieojF2vppgsU1@uni-berlin.de>...
| Quote: | Please don't laugh at me, but...
Compression, in all instances of my using it, tends to thicken up the wav by
lowering the peaks and pumping up the valleys, for a uniform sound.
But what if I want to do the opposite? Meaning, I want to further the divide
between both. For example, trying to get the snap of a snare to come out
more, and less of its trail. Say, everything above -6db gets a boost (or
stays put) while everything below it disappears a bit more (gradually, not
noise-gate-like).
What kind of settings would I use?
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What you're describing is limiting. The waveform gets more bricklike
when you limit the peaks and bring the average up.
If you want to make a snare look more like a sideways T than a
sideways V, use compression.
Set your ratio anywhere between 4:1 and 10:1. Attack as slow as
possible. Release as fast as possible. Adjust your threshold or input
(depending on the device) until your seeing 4-10 dB (regardless of the
ratio) and if you look at the new waveform you've created you'll see
it look more like a T.
Now, from here, you need to get into compressor types. An Opto is
slow, so it's going ot hav a hard time making that "T" as severe. A
JFET on the other hand should allow the transient to pass through for
as long as you've set your attack and then really squash down to make
the stem of your "T". |
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