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Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:07 pm Post subject:
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I am debating whether or not to puechase the Panasonic DMRE20EBS DVD RECORDER. Priced at ?999 its a lot of money. Has anyone already taken the plunge?
I have a lot of archived material on VHS which i would want to transfer to DVD. Does anyone know how the 'chapter' system works? I understand that when recording onto DVD one can make up the chapters yourself. If this is so does anyone know how many chapters can be put on one disc?
I hope someone understands what I am trying to ask here. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks again
hoa.reusing@booomail.com
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andree sisario
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject:
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hoa.reusing@livepharm.com wrote:
| Quote: | I am debating whether or not to puechase the Panasonic DMRE20EBS DVD RECORDER. Priced at ?999 its a lot of money. Has anyone already taken the plunge?
I have a lot of archived material on VHS which i would want to transfer to DVD. Does anyone know how the 'chapter' system works? I understand that when recording onto DVD one can make up the chapters yourself. If this is so does anyone know how many chapters can be put on one disc?
I hope someone understands what I am trying to ask here. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks again
hoa.reusing@booomail.com
You can set it to mark a chapter at 5 or 10 minute marks |
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Gordon Burditt
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | I am debating whether or not to puechase the Panasonic DMRE20EBS DVD
RECORDER. Priced at ?999 its a lot of money. Has anyone already taken
the plunge?
I have a lot of archived material on VHS which i would want to transfer
to DVD. Does anyone know how the 'chapter' system works? I understand
that when recording onto DVD one can make up the chapters yourself. If
this is so does anyone know how many chapters can be put on one disc?
I hope someone understands what I am trying to ask here. Any help or
suggestions would be appreciated.
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I have a Panasonic E85H (with hard drive and DVD recorder). I've
done a lot of transfer from VHS and a lot of editing of
recorded-over-the-air shows. I'm not sure what the differences are
between mine and the one you are considering.
I do editing like this:
Record all the stuff you want on the hard disk.
Go to the table-of-contents menu.
Select the title you want to edit.
Select Chapter View.
Select Divide Chapters.
At this point you can view a half-size image, and there's
a time counter visible and a bar with the existing chapters shown.
Go through the show and mark chapter divisions where you want them.
This includes at the beginning and end of commercials, between
different shows, and possibly the start and end of credits or stock
intro stuff you might want to skip over. You can go through an
hour show (edits down to about 42 minutes) in 5-10 minutes by
scanning at 10X and going back a bit when you overshoot. Actually
placing the division can be done while playing at the frame-a-second
rate so you can position it accurately. How fast you can do this
depends on how picky you are about getting the division exact. I
usually try to put the division somewhere in a fade-to-black, without
getting too picky about trying to center it.
It will not let you divide chapters so that you have one that is
"too short". "too short" varies a bit but the limit seems to be
1-2 seconds. Any chapter longer than that seems fine. If you put
a chapter mark in the wrong place, you can remove it (Combine
Chapters). I'm pretty sure it's not doing frame-accurate editing
here, but in practice, that is not a problem.
Now exit Divide Chapters and you're back at Chapter View. Mark all
the chapters that contain only commercials, leader, trailer, or
other unwanted stuff. If you just marked commercial boundaries,
this is every other chapter. You can watch the chapters play if
you are unsure. Then press ERASE. It will ask for confirmation,
and you erase all the chapters with commercials, but leaving the
chapter divisions at the breaks.
There are other, more obvious ways to do chapter divisions one at
a time, but the method above works pretty well when you edit a whole
show at once and limits the long pauses to one at the ERASE step.
If I'm editing a transferred VHS tape with multiple programs on it,
I can use Divide Title and position directly to one of my chapter
marks where I want the division, then divide.
I don't know of any limits on the number of chapters. I might have
5 chapter divisions in a "half-hour" show, and 12 of them on a DVD
(6 hours of programming edited down to 4 hours of playing time
without the commercials), so that's 60 chapters on a DVD (which
I've actually tested). You can probably get many more.
When I record to DVD, I can choose the titles I want to transfer from
what's on the hard disk, and then transfer. You might want to set
text titles first so you can identify them on the DVD (or the hard
disk, for that matter). It builds a menu for you. You can set a
disk title and choose an image from the recording for the menu.
One warning: some of the VHS tapes I had are recorded off the air
and are pretty snowy. The Panasonic sometimes decided that the
"snow" was copy-protected and refused to let me record it *OR
ANYTHING PRIOR TO THAT ON THE SAME RECORDING*. Actually, the ones
that bad weren't usually worth saving anyway, but it did make it
inconvenient to play the tape for 6 hours (as one recording,
overnight), then come back and find you have to do it over, stopping
the recording at 4 hours, 17 minutes, right after the program you
want ends but before the snowy part marks the whole thing uncopyable.
Gordon L. Burditt |
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justme
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:21 am Post subject:
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"Gordon Burditt" <gordonb.a35c3@burditt.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am debating whether or not to puechase the Panasonic DMRE20EBS DVD
RECORDER. Priced at ?999 its a lot of money. Has anyone already taken
the plunge?
I have a lot of archived material on VHS which i would want to transfer
to DVD. Does anyone know how the 'chapter' system works? I understand
that when recording onto DVD one can make up the chapters yourself. If
this is so does anyone know how many chapters can be put on one disc?
I hope someone understands what I am trying to ask here. Any help or
suggestions would be appreciated.
I have a Panasonic E85H (with hard drive and DVD recorder). I've
done a lot of transfer from VHS and a lot of editing of
recorded-over-the-air shows. I'm not sure what the differences are
between mine and the one you are considering.
I do editing like this:
Record all the stuff you want on the hard disk.
Go to the table-of-contents menu.
Select the title you want to edit.
Select Chapter View.
Select Divide Chapters.
At this point you can view a half-size image, and there's
a time counter visible and a bar with the existing chapters shown.
Go through the show and mark chapter divisions where you want them.
This includes at the beginning and end of commercials, between
different shows, and possibly the start and end of credits or stock
intro stuff you might want to skip over. You can go through an
hour show (edits down to about 42 minutes) in 5-10 minutes by
scanning at 10X and going back a bit when you overshoot. Actually
placing the division can be done while playing at the frame-a-second
rate so you can position it accurately. How fast you can do this
depends on how picky you are about getting the division exact. I
usually try to put the division somewhere in a fade-to-black, without
getting too picky about trying to center it.
It will not let you divide chapters so that you have one that is
"too short". "too short" varies a bit but the limit seems to be
1-2 seconds. Any chapter longer than that seems fine. If you put
a chapter mark in the wrong place, you can remove it (Combine
Chapters). I'm pretty sure it's not doing frame-accurate editing
here, but in practice, that is not a problem.
Now exit Divide Chapters and you're back at Chapter View. Mark all
the chapters that contain only commercials, leader, trailer, or
other unwanted stuff. If you just marked commercial boundaries,
this is every other chapter. You can watch the chapters play if
you are unsure. Then press ERASE. It will ask for confirmation,
and you erase all the chapters with commercials, but leaving the
chapter divisions at the breaks.
There are other, more obvious ways to do chapter divisions one at
a time, but the method above works pretty well when you edit a whole
show at once and limits the long pauses to one at the ERASE step.
If I'm editing a transferred VHS tape with multiple programs on it,
I can use Divide Title and position directly to one of my chapter
marks where I want the division, then divide.
I don't know of any limits on the number of chapters. I might have
5 chapter divisions in a "half-hour" show, and 12 of them on a DVD
(6 hours of programming edited down to 4 hours of playing time
without the commercials), so that's 60 chapters on a DVD (which
I've actually tested). You can probably get many more.
When I record to DVD, I can choose the titles I want to transfer from
what's on the hard disk, and then transfer. You might want to set
text titles first so you can identify them on the DVD (or the hard
disk, for that matter). It builds a menu for you. You can set a
disk title and choose an image from the recording for the menu.
One warning: some of the VHS tapes I had are recorded off the air
and are pretty snowy. The Panasonic sometimes decided that the
"snow" was copy-protected and refused to let me record it *OR
ANYTHING PRIOR TO THAT ON THE SAME RECORDING*. Actually, the ones
that bad weren't usually worth saving anyway, but it did make it
inconvenient to play the tape for 6 hours (as one recording,
overnight), then come back and find you have to do it over, stopping
the recording at 4 hours, 17 minutes, right after the program you
want ends but before the snowy part marks the whole thing uncopyable.
Gordon L. Burditt
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Gordon, thanks for the short course in commercial editing on the E85, I have
one and love it. Now I know how to get rid of those pesky commercials. |
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Jan B
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:15 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:03:38 GMT, andree sisario
<highway77@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | hoa.reusing@livepharm.com wrote:
I am debating whether or not to puechase the Panasonic DMRE20EBS DVD RECORDER. Priced at ?999 its a lot of money. Has anyone already taken the plunge?
I have a lot of archived material on VHS which i would want to transfer to DVD. Does anyone know how the 'chapter' system works? I understand that when recording onto DVD one can make up the chapters yourself. If this is so does anyone know how many chapters can be put on one disc?
I hope someone understands what I am trying to ask here. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks again
hoa.reusing@booomail.com
You can set it to mark a chapter at 5 or 10 minute marks
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I think you will find that a recorder without HDD, using DVD-R (not
+R) and assuming that you want to play the disc on regular
DVD-players, does not give you the control of the chapter marks that
you would like.
I recommend that you consider one of the following options:
* Without a harddisk (to prepare the editing) you have better
capabilities using DVD+RW discs in a recorder that allows post editing
of the chapter marks. For example Philips recorders like DVDR70
series.
DVD+RW discs cost more than +/-R and I don't know if they are
available with ink printable surface, so there are drawbacks.
* If you consider do the editing and burning on a computer, you can
use any DVD-recorder that can produce an intermediate disc (preferably
RW or RAM so you can re-use them). But the computer needs a special
drive to read DVD-RAM that the Panasonic can re-use.
I prefer +RW for this (e.g Philips DVDR70 series).
* Third option is a recorder with HDD. I have no experience with
those. I think all recorders are limited in the way that you can edit
and put chapter marks only on the GOP boundaries (group of pictures)
wich normally is 10-15 frames.
Only a computer (with a program that can re-encode the GOP) can give
you frame resolution in editing and position of chapter marks.
The number of chapter marks in one title is limited to 99. I think
thjis is universal as all DVD-players I have seen use a maximum of two
digits for this.
I don't know if these limits are universal but my DVDR70 specifies:
Maximum 99 chapters in any one title.
Maximum of 124 total chapter marks on one disc.
Maximum 48 titles on one disc.
/Jan |
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Daver
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:05 pm Post subject:
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Go straight for a hard drive recorder the extra cost is more than
compensated for by the ease of use and flexiblity.
<hoa.reusing@livepharm.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am debating whether or not to puechase the Panasonic DMRE20EBS DVD
RECORDER. Priced at ?999 its a lot of money. Has anyone already taken the |
plunge?
| Quote: | I have a lot of archived material on VHS which i would want to transfer to
DVD. Does anyone know how the 'chapter' system works? I understand that when |
recording onto DVD one can make up the chapters yourself. If this is so does
anyone know how many chapters can be put on one disc?
| Quote: | I hope someone understands what I am trying to ask here. Any help or
suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks again
hoa.reusing@booomail.com |
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:23 pm Post subject:
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"Daver" <jbrockley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Go straight for a hard drive recorder the extra cost is more than
compensated for by the ease of use and flexiblity.
hoa.reusing@livepharm.com> wrote in message
news:da41f$431f022a$d99c5301$13243@allthenewsgroups.com...
I am debating whether or not to puechase the Panasonic DMRE20EBS DVD
RECORDER. Priced at ?999 its a lot of money. Has anyone already taken the
plunge?
I have a lot of archived material on VHS which i would want to transfer
to
DVD. Does anyone know how the 'chapter' system works? I understand that
when
recording onto DVD one can make up the chapters yourself. If this is so
does
anyone know how many chapters can be put on one disc?
I hope someone understands what I am trying to ask here. Any help or
suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks again
hoa.reusing@booomail.com
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I bought a Lite-On 5045, which has a 160GB hard drive in addition to the
DVDR capability, both + and -. It seemed like the perfect device,
especially for $300. I rapidly found out otherwise. Not only was the
interface and remote difficult to use, but you couldn't even watch a DVD if
the HD was recording a TV show. I understand that many HD/DVDR devices
don't have that issue, but they cost considerably more.
Norm Strong |
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Ricki from trailerparkboy
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I wonder if the LITEON DVD recorder model 5005 (not the 5045)can attach a
harddrive. it has the 40 pin IDE cable. has anyone tried that?
<normanstrong@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Daver" <jbrockley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Go straight for a hard drive recorder the extra cost is more than
compensated for by the ease of use and flexiblity.
hoa.reusing@livepharm.com> wrote in message
news:da41f$431f022a$d99c5301$13243@allthenewsgroups.com...
I am debating whether or not to puechase the Panasonic DMRE20EBS DVD
RECORDER. Priced at ?999 its a lot of money. Has anyone already taken
the
plunge?
I have a lot of archived material on VHS which i would want to transfer
to
DVD. Does anyone know how the 'chapter' system works? I understand that
when
recording onto DVD one can make up the chapters yourself. If this is so
does
anyone know how many chapters can be put on one disc?
I hope someone understands what I am trying to ask here. Any help or
suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks again
hoa.reusing@booomail.com
I bought a Lite-On 5045, which has a 160GB hard drive in addition to the
DVDR capability, both + and -. It seemed like the perfect device,
especially for $300. I rapidly found out otherwise. Not only was the
interface and remote difficult to use, but you couldn't even watch a DVD
if
the HD was recording a TV show. I understand that many HD/DVDR devices
don't have that issue, but they cost considerably more.
Norm Strong
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maiet
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yes its funny to watch back at 80's ads, totals classics ! you hated them
ehwn they were on back then but 20 years later they are funny as!! crappy
production and action, fashion etc.
<bbcrock@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | don't get rid of commercials ever. I found some on a betamax tape from
1984 and I was glad I did.
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don't get rid of commercials ever. I found some on a betamax tape from
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Daver
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Unfortunately this is one area where cheaper units often leave you wishing
you'd spent the extra.
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I bought a Lite-On 5045, which has a 160GB hard drive in addition to the
DVDR capability, both + and -. It seemed like the perfect device,
especially for $300. I rapidly found out otherwise. Not only was the
interface and remote difficult to use, but you couldn't even watch a DVD
if
the HD was recording a TV show. I understand that many HD/DVDR devices
don't have that issue, but they cost considerably more.
Norm Strong
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"When I make a word do a lot of work like that," said "Daver"
<jbrockley@hotmail.com>, "I always pay it extra."
| Quote: | Unfortunately this is one area where cheaper units often leave you wishing
you'd spent the extra.
I bought a Lite-On 5045, which has a 160GB hard drive in addition to the
DVDR capability, both + and -. It seemed like the perfect device,
especially for $300. I rapidly found out otherwise. Not only was the
interface and remote difficult to use, but you couldn't even watch a DVD
if
the HD was recording a TV show. I understand that many HD/DVDR devices
don't have that issue, but they cost considerably more.
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My LVW-5045 was fine at first, but then the DVDs started getting a bit
iffy in other drives, to the extent that eventually it was the only
machine which could play its own recordings. The HDD failed a number
of times; erasing everything and/or defragmenting "cured" that a
couple of times, but the last time it just totally failed.
After 7 months it's gone back to eBuyer for a refund.
Now I'm sort of considering a Topfield TF5800PVR which has two DTT
tuners and a HDD, and you can record two programmes simultaneously, or
watch one whilst recording another. It doesn't have a DVD drive, but
the (possibly) big plus is that it has a USB port for transferring
files to/from a computer. I have three PCs with DVD writers which are
much more consistent than the LiteOn was.
I'm just not sure about the recording format - it looks like the
Topfield records something other than DVD compliant MPEG, so some kind
of conversion will be necessary. I wonder if VideoReDo can open the
files?
I've heard nothing but good reviews of the Topfield (mainly for
Australians), but looking at the specs, I'm not sure if it is such a
Good Thing.
FTTB I'm slumming it with my trusty old Hauppauge WinTV PVR-350 in No.
2 Desktop ... :-)
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ME
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$999????
WTF?
Get a LiteOn 5045 for $299.
It does everything but fix your breakfast and you can set chapter marks or
let it do them automatically.
Costco.com has them.
<hoa.reusing@livepharm.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am debating whether or not to puechase the Panasonic DMRE20EBS DVD
RECORDER. Priced at ?999 its a lot of money. Has anyone already taken the
plunge?
I have a lot of archived material on VHS which i would want to transfer to
DVD. Does anyone know how the 'chapter' system works? I understand that
when recording onto DVD one can make up the chapters yourself. If this is
so does anyone know how many chapters can be put on one disc?
I hope someone understands what I am trying to ask here. Any help or
suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks again
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ME
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A bunch detractors on here obviously did not flash their units to the latest
bios.. The LiteOn 5045 is not a "cheap" unit in the sense of what is in the
unit. The components are good quality. It is affordably priced. If you have
trouble with the ever so simple to use remote on the LiteOn 5045 I hope you
don't have to change a light bulb. The file browser, chooser and tools menus
are so simple a 3 year old can run the unit. The company also has great
customer service and tech support. Also, why would you be using the HD to
record a show while watching a DVD? That is what your satelitte DVR is for.
"Daver" <jbrockley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Unfortunately this is one area where cheaper units often leave you wishing
you'd spent the extra.
I bought a Lite-On 5045, which has a 160GB hard drive in addition to the
DVDR capability, both + and -. It seemed like the perfect device,
especially for $300. I rapidly found out otherwise. Not only was the
interface and remote difficult to use, but you couldn't even watch a DVD
if
the HD was recording a TV show. I understand that many HD/DVDR devices
don't have that issue, but they cost considerably more.
Norm Strong
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Robert Baranoski
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
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Though I'm not familiar with that model, most DVD recorders will allow you
to choose chapter lengths in either 5, 10 or 2o minute intervals, the
maximum of which, depends upon your recording speed and length of recording
time your disc will have. The specs will usually tell you, or someone with a
similar model may be better able to advise you if this is a critical factor
for you.Mine places a thumbnail pic at every 5 minute interval by default,
unless I change it to 10 or 20 minutes manually on the "set up" menu. Hope
this was waht you were looking for. Good luck.
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| Quote: | I am debating whether or not to puechase the Panasonic DMRE20EBS DVD
RECORDER. Priced at ?999 its a lot of money. Has anyone already taken the
plunge?
I have a lot of archived material on VHS which i would want to transfer to
DVD. Does anyone know how the 'chapter' system works? I understand that
when recording onto DVD one can make up the chapters yourself. If this is
so does anyone know how many chapters can be put on one disc?
I hope someone understands what I am trying to ask here. Any help or
suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks again
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