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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:02 pm    Post subject: Divx files OK on PC, blurry in set top player Reply with quote

Half a dozen divx / xvid files from various sources play OK on a
computer, but look blurry in my Samsumg HT-DS400. In GSpot they seem
to have nothing in particular in common. This same set top player does
not play Qpel divx's.

What's my best course of action? Is it to save them to a lossless full
video format in Virtual Dub, then re-encode them? And which divx or
xvid codec should I use to re-encode? The final output device is an
ordinary TV connected with composite cables. I don't need to have
quality better than a TV can display.

TIA.

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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: Divx files OK on PC, blurry in set top player Reply with quote

Sorry, I guess that I was imprecise with the word blurry. In the set
top player, all the videos affected have a halo of pixels in a wrong
colour around discernable shapes. When there is a bit of action or
movement in the scene, it is often impossible to figure out what the
picture should look like. At very best, the picture is blotchy and
weird looking. At worst, simply unwatchable.

By contrast, looked at in a PC, these videos are perfectly normal and
watchable, even in full screen. Audio comes through unaffected in
either case.

I have seen this effect reported before at one of the video help-type
sites, and a replier said it was either GMI (?) which is not reported
by Gspot to be used in any of these clips, or a problem with a codec
used in the original encoding, or a problem of using codecs in the
"wrong" order.

So, yes, there is a problem with the original encoding ... BUT they are
perfectly playable on a computer.

Resolutions are not the same. But just for completeness, here they
are:
608x256
480x208
320x240
656x496
608x320
560x304
624x336
that's seven different DIVX files with seven different resolutions.

Thanks in advance for any answers to my question.


Kievlar wrote:
Quote:
Most likely the problem is with the original encoded video so re-encoding
won't fix it. You say it's not blurry when you play it on a PC. Are you
playing it full screen? What is the resolution of the clips you have a
problem with?

Kievlar (Larry)

jberry@islandnet.com> wrote in message
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Half a dozen divx / xvid files from various sources play OK on a
computer, but look blurry in my Samsumg HT-DS400. In GSpot they seem
to have nothing in particular in common. This same set top player does
not play Qpel divx's.

What's my best course of action? Is it to save them to a lossless full
video format in Virtual Dub, then re-encode them? And which divx or
xvid codec should I use to re-encode? The final output device is an
ordinary TV connected with composite cables. I don't need to have
quality better than a TV can display.

TIA.

--
Jonathan Berry
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Kievlar
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: Divx files OK on PC, blurry in set top player Reply with quote

Most likely the problem is with the original encoded video so re-encoding
won't fix it. You say it's not blurry when you play it on a PC. Are you
playing it full screen? What is the resolution of the clips you have a
problem with?

Kievlar (Larry)

<jberry@islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:1125587095.544421.186740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
Half a dozen divx / xvid files from various sources play OK on a
computer, but look blurry in my Samsumg HT-DS400. In GSpot they seem
to have nothing in particular in common. This same set top player does
not play Qpel divx's.

What's my best course of action? Is it to save them to a lossless full
video format in Virtual Dub, then re-encode them? And which divx or
xvid codec should I use to re-encode? The final output device is an
ordinary TV connected with composite cables. I don't need to have
quality better than a TV can display.

TIA.

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Jonathan Berry
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Squash
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Divx files OK on PC, blurry in set top player Reply with quote

jberry@islandnet.com wrote in
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Quote:
Half a dozen divx / xvid files from various sources play OK on a
computer, but look blurry in my Samsumg HT-DS400. In GSpot they seem
to have nothing in particular in common. This same set top player does
not play Qpel divx's.

What's my best course of action? Is it to save them to a lossless full
video format in Virtual Dub, then re-encode them? And which divx or
xvid codec should I use to re-encode? The final output device is an
ordinary TV connected with composite cables. I don't need to have
quality better than a TV can display.

TIA.


I've had the same problem many times. Here's how I got rid of it.

More than likely the problem is that the files were encoded using a custom
quantization matrix. Go here and read all about it:

http://www.jarnot.com/twiki/bin/view/Public/DVP642LisaBsAVIGuide

The guide is primarily written for the Philips DVP642 (that's what I have),
but in Lisa's guide she states:

"Although I wrote this guide with the Philips 642 in mind, I will talk
about just about every AVI feature that could possibly affect standalone
playback, so it should be useful for anyone with a standalone DVD player."

The section you want is probably "quant type" since I get the same symptoms
you describe when I try to play one with the wrong quantization (although
it plays fine on the computer).

I fix it by doing a quick 1-pass xvid or divx re-encode (takes about an
hour on my computer using AutoGK with its standalone support option) or
just converting it into a DVD if it's something I want to keep. The always
work fine in the standalone after using either of those methods.

In Lisa's guide she tells you how to check the quant type. You'll need
mpeg4modifier to do the checking. It requires microsoft's dotnet to be on
your computer (it's a free download).

Thanks to Lisa B. for a great guide!

Good luck.
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Divx files OK on PC, blurry in set top player Reply with quote

Squash wrote:
Quote:
jberry@islandnet.com wrote in
news:1125587095.544421.186740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Half a dozen divx / xvid files from various sources play OK on a
computer, but look blurry in my Samsumg HT-DS400. In GSpot they seem
to have nothing in particular in common. This same set top player does
not play Qpel divx's.

What's my best course of action? Is it to save them to a lossless full
video format in Virtual Dub, then re-encode them? And which divx or
xvid codec should I use to re-encode? The final output device is an
ordinary TV connected with composite cables. I don't need to have
quality better than a TV can display.

TIA.


I've had the same problem many times. Here's how I got rid of it.

More than likely the problem is that the files were encoded using a custom
quantization matrix. Go here and read all about it:

http://www.jarnot.com/twiki/bin/view/Public/DVP642LisaBsAVIGuide

The guide is primarily written for the Philips DVP642 (that's what I have),
but in Lisa's guide she states:

"Although I wrote this guide with the Philips 642 in mind, I will talk
about just about every AVI feature that could possibly affect standalone
playback, so it should be useful for anyone with a standalone DVD player."

The section you want is probably "quant type" since I get the same symptoms
you describe when I try to play one with the wrong quantization (although
it plays fine on the computer).

I fix it by doing a quick 1-pass xvid or divx re-encode (takes about an
hour on my computer using AutoGK with its standalone support option) or
just converting it into a DVD if it's something I want to keep. The always
work fine in the standalone after using either of those methods.

In Lisa's guide she tells you how to check the quant type. You'll need
mpeg4modifier to do the checking. It requires microsoft's dotnet to be on
your computer (it's a free download).

Thanks to Lisa B. for a great guide!

Good luck.

Thank you, Squash. The Lisa B. guide is very helpful.

You write:

Quote:
I fix it by doing a quick 1-pass xvid or divx re-encode (takes about an
hour on my computer using AutoGK with its standalone support option) or
just converting it into a DVD if it's something I want to keep. The always
work fine in the standalone after using either of those methods.

I have AutoGK with the standalone support, but I don't see how to do
what you describe. AutoGK 1.96 accepts only mpeg2 (or vob) files as
input. What am I missing?

Thank you

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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:35 am    Post subject: Re: Divx files OK on PC, blurry in set top player Reply with quote

Quote:
I fix it by doing a quick 1-pass xvid or divx re-encode (takes about an
hour on my computer using AutoGK with its standalone support option) or
just converting it into a DVD if it's something I want to keep. The always
work fine in the standalone after using either of those methods.

I have AutoGK with the standalone support, but I don't see how to do
what you describe. AutoGK 1.96 accepts only mpeg2 (or vob) files as
input. What am I missing?

I used VirtualDub to re-encode. Initially, everything worked fine with
Koepi's Xvid codec, but I had to install a few codecs (fcchandler's
ac3acm-1, satsuki decoder pack, divx_audio_402.zip) and afterwards
Xvid-re-encoded clips on the Samsung HT-DS400 would not play. The time
readout would go 0.00:00 0.00:12 0.01:14 (i.e., huge skips), but all
the while the screen would remain black. The same clips, however, do
play on a computer. At some point I got the Divx 6 codec (the free
one, not the trial of the pro one), and videos re-encoded with it play
fine in the Samsung. I'm not sure I like the quality as well as the
Xvid (when it was working), but hey I'm just doing this to watch the
clip on an ordinary TV.

Virtualdub (www.virtualdub.org) is very good, once you get used to it.
As I understand it, there are two ways in which Windows may read
multimedia files. Virtualdub uses "method 1" (ACM?) while most
players use "method 2". That's why you can suddenly find that you're
missing a codec (>Video > Full Processing X Compression) that you
thought you already had installed. You need a method 1 (ACM?) version
for Virtualdub to recognize it. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong!

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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Divx files OK on PC, blurry in set top player Reply with quote

Quote:

You write:

I fix it by doing a quick 1-pass xvid or divx re-encode (takes about
an hour on my computer using AutoGK with its standalone support
option) or just converting it into a DVD if it's something I want to
keep. The always work fine in the standalone after using either of
those methods.

I have AutoGK with the standalone support, but I don't see how to do
what you describe. AutoGK 1.96 accepts only mpeg2 (or vob) files as
input. What am I missing?

Thank you



Starting with Version 2.00 beta, AutoGK accepts AVI files as input. I open
the bad AVI, do a compression using the "Target Quality" setting (this
gives a 1-pass conversion; you can set a specific target file size to get
2-pass). I leave the resolution setting on "Auto" and it has always given
me the same resolution as the original, at about 10 to 20% smaller file
size at the default XVID target quality setting of 75% (I've been using
XVID lately so not sure about DIVX, though I have used it before with
AutoGK with good results).

Takes me about an hour for a normal length movie (using Athlon 2800+, 1Gb
ram). I run it through mpeg4modifier again and the problems (Qpel, GMC,
whatever) are gone and it plays fine on the 642 standalone.

AutoGK is now up to version 2.17b. The author has strongly hinted this will
be the last version and will soon go final and the only future work he will
put into it will be bug-fixes. It works great for me.
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:01 am    Post subject: Re: Divx files OK on PC, blurry in set top player Reply with quote

Aaaah! I should have remembered: in the fast-developing world of
video, beta versions are the ones to use. So I downloaded AutoGK 2.18
beta. Doom9 has even dropped the word "beta" from its description of
AutoGK. Thanks for the update.

I had a clip which ran OK in the set-top player, except that the bottom
third of the screen would blip about once every couple of seconds. I
ran it through AutoGK, with a re-encode setting of 1/3 of a DVDR; in
the "Advanced Options" Auto Width and Xvid, the defaults. The
resultant file in the Samsung set-top still had the blips. In
addition, it had the oft-described problem where there's a halo of
wrong colours, especially in motion scenes.

So I have a couple of questions:
Have you tried your method with 2.18 ?
When you use the Target percentage, what percentage do you set it at?
The default of 75% or something else?
When you run the AutoGK-processed file through mpeg4modifier, are the
problems already gone, or does mpeg4modifier remove them?

Meantime, I'm having reasonable success using VirtualDub 1.6.10 for
similar purposes, though each run takes a lot more clicking to set up.
I save the runs as "jobs" and use the freeware System Scheduler 3.47
from splinterware to process the runs at night. Doing a quick (takes a
few hours on a 900 MHz P3) re-encode of the same clip with divx6 at
1000 in Home Theater setting, two pass, gave a quite acceptable result
(on a 27" TV) with a file size less than half the original.

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