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Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:16 am Post subject:
Video tapes will outlive DVDs |
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If you have Video tapes with personal movies on them, such as family
movies, SAVE THEM. Don't just copy them to DVD and toss the tape.
You WILL regret it. DVDs made today may not work tomorrow, or in a
year or so. DVDs are easily and completely damaged by heat (like hot
summer days inside your home), minor scratches, and numerous other
things. DVD decay is a real issue. In 10 years from now, 90% or more
of the DVDs purchased today will not work. Video tapes are known to
wrinkle and have other problems, but if your VCR is in top condition
and the "rubber parts" are replaced when they become dry, your video
tapes can work for many many years. The other advantage is that a
video tape can be repaired. You may lose a few seconds of the video,
but that is much better than losing everything. A DVD can suddenly
fail and you lose everything. DVDs are generally either "work" or
"not work". There is no middle ground. You can not retrieve data off
a defective DVD. You CAN save most of the "data" from a defective
tape, with only a small amount of loss. The biggest caution with
video tape is being sure they are not exposed to magnets, which
include electro-magnets such as electric motors. Yes, video tapes
should be kept away from severe heat, and dirt, and other things that
could damage them, but in the end, they will far outlast all DVDs. Go
ahead and copy your family movies to DVD, but always keep your video
tape, and always make a backup copy of the tape. Enjoy the DVD
version, knowing that you still have the security of the tape when
that DVD refuses to play for reasons unknown. It should also be noted
that the DVDs that you write at home are much more susceptible to
failure than the commercial ones. Many of the blank DVDs that you
purchase are defective when they leave the store, (as well as blank
CDs) which is why they fail when you write to them. In the end, tape
is much superior to DVDs, so SAVE YOUR TAPES !!!
Larry
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M.H.
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Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:43 am Post subject:
Re: Video tapes will outlive DVDs |
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larryr478@none.com wrote:
| Quote: | If you have Video tapes with personal movies on them, such as family
movies, SAVE THEM. Don't just copy them to DVD and toss the tape.
You WILL regret it. DVDs made today may not work tomorrow, or in a
year or so. DVDs are easily and completely damaged by heat (like hot
summer days inside your home), minor scratches, and numerous other
things. DVD decay is a real issue. In 10 years from now, 90% or more
of the DVDs purchased today will not work. Video tapes are known to
wrinkle and have other problems, but if your VCR is in top condition
and the "rubber parts" are replaced when they become dry, your video
tapes can work for many many years. The other advantage is that a
video tape can be repaired. You may lose a few seconds of the video,
but that is much better than losing everything. A DVD can suddenly
fail and you lose everything. DVDs are generally either "work" or
"not work". There is no middle ground. You can not retrieve data off
a defective DVD. You CAN save most of the "data" from a defective
tape, with only a small amount of loss. The biggest caution with
video tape is being sure they are not exposed to magnets, which
include electro-magnets such as electric motors. Yes, video tapes
should be kept away from severe heat, and dirt, and other things that
could damage them, but in the end, they will far outlast all DVDs. Go
ahead and copy your family movies to DVD, but always keep your video
tape, and always make a backup copy of the tape. Enjoy the DVD
version, knowing that you still have the security of the tape when
that DVD refuses to play for reasons unknown. It should also be noted
that the DVDs that you write at home are much more susceptible to
failure than the commercial ones. Many of the blank DVDs that you
purchase are defective when they leave the store, (as well as blank
CDs) which is why they fail when you write to them. In the end, tape
is much superior to DVDs, so SAVE YOUR TAPES !!!
Larry
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Um, tapes degrade to an unusable state after 10-15 years... |
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kaboom
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Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
Re: Video tapes will outlive DVDs |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:43:04 -0400, "M.H." <none@none.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Um, tapes degrade to an unusable state after 10-15 years...
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**No, they don't. Well, perhaps if you watch them quite often. I have
many tapes some dating back to the early 80s that are just fine. For
instance, I recently bought a multisystem VCR with a PAL/NTSC
converter. Then I pulled a bunch of PAL tapes out of storage and
played them. They were fantastic. The tapes were made by me in Sweden
in 1987.
kaboomie |
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ric
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Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
Re: Video tapes will outlive DVDs |
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M.H. wrote:
| Quote: | Um, tapes degrade to an unusable state after 10-15 years...
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Um, I have an extensive library of Beta tapes that I recorded
in the 1980s that still play just fine. Of course, I put them
back in their sleeves when not in use, and keep them away from
excessive heat and humidity. |
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John Russell
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Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject:
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In 10 years from now, 90% or more
| Quote: | of the DVDs purchased today will not work.
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Got in your time machine to prove that one did you?
I remember the same stories of doom when audio cd's arrived. I now have 20
year old+ cd's which still work.
DVD's are just data. Even if you damage one to the extent DVD-video players
cough, you will still be able to extract readable data from them using a PC
and the appropriate software. |
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GMAN
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Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:33 am Post subject:
Re: Video tapes will outlive DVDs |
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In article <43125571.2570765@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>, kaboomicus@NOSPAMyahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:43:04 -0400, "M.H." <none@none.com> wrote:
Um, tapes degrade to an unusable state after 10-15 years...
**No, they don't. Well, perhaps if you watch them quite often. I have
many tapes some dating back to the early 80s that are just fine. For
instance, I recently bought a multisystem VCR with a PAL/NTSC
converter. Then I pulled a bunch of PAL tapes out of storage and
played them. They were fantastic. The tapes were made by me in Sweden
in 1987.
kaboomie
It all comes down to how you store them. if you follow the manufacturers |
suggestion, store them properly, play them sparingly, always rewind, keep the
vcr's maintained properly. You can get 20-30 years or so from tape with almost
no degredation. But tapes will eventually break down, the oxide will flake
off, magbnetic particles will realighn due to the earth magnetic field yad
yada yada. So a digital backup of the tape is advised. |
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Jaszmin
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:19 pm Post subject:
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I've got the whole I Claudius series from 1980 and it plays like
the live feed did. I have Berlin aldexanderplatz from 1987 and it
looks like it did on Bravo when I recorded it. Both these tapes
have been in shucks, in a cheap cardboard videotape storage
container since the times they were made. I put Berlin Alexanderplatz
on three DVDs. It works wonderfully. I could do the same with
Claudius. Recently when the 1978 Pennies From Heaven came
out on DVD, I recorded it to VHS first. Later, when I got a DVD
recorder, I transferred Pennies to DVD. Works fine. I find many
old commercial vhs tapes have lost their color or become less
sharp over time. Sometimes they're just dirty. My tapes are
clean and pristine.
Mike Rice
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:43:04 -0400, "M.H." <none@none.com> wrote:
| Quote: | larryr478@none.com wrote:
If you have Video tapes with personal movies on them, such as family
movies, SAVE THEM. Don't just copy them to DVD and toss the tape.
You WILL regret it. DVDs made today may not work tomorrow, or in a
year or so. DVDs are easily and completely damaged by heat (like hot
summer days inside your home), minor scratches, and numerous other
things. DVD decay is a real issue. In 10 years from now, 90% or more
of the DVDs purchased today will not work. Video tapes are known to
wrinkle and have other problems, but if your VCR is in top condition
and the "rubber parts" are replaced when they become dry, your video
tapes can work for many many years. The other advantage is that a
video tape can be repaired. You may lose a few seconds of the video,
but that is much better than losing everything. A DVD can suddenly
fail and you lose everything. DVDs are generally either "work" or
"not work". There is no middle ground. You can not retrieve data off
a defective DVD. You CAN save most of the "data" from a defective
tape, with only a small amount of loss. The biggest caution with
video tape is being sure they are not exposed to magnets, which
include electro-magnets such as electric motors. Yes, video tapes
should be kept away from severe heat, and dirt, and other things that
could damage them, but in the end, they will far outlast all DVDs. Go
ahead and copy your family movies to DVD, but always keep your video
tape, and always make a backup copy of the tape. Enjoy the DVD
version, knowing that you still have the security of the tape when
that DVD refuses to play for reasons unknown. It should also be noted
that the DVDs that you write at home are much more susceptible to
failure than the commercial ones. Many of the blank DVDs that you
purchase are defective when they leave the store, (as well as blank
CDs) which is why they fail when you write to them. In the end, tape
is much superior to DVDs, so SAVE YOUR TAPES !!!
Larry
Um, tapes degrade to an unusable state after 10-15 years... |
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Jaszmin
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:25 pm Post subject:
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The first audiotape recorders were made by the Germans
during World War Two. Bing Crosby and some investors
got hold of two of those machines from German radio stations,
reverse engineered them and started ampex in 1948. In 1951,
my family's radio station began operating with two ampex machines,
that were similar to the Crosby ampex. A disk jockey named Eddy
Carey taped himself on big 10 1/2 inch reels in roughly 1953 or
'54. I tried playing them in 1968 or '69. The oxide was flaking
off selectively on these tapes. When they played, what was on
them, a melage of Les Paul and Hank Williams, could be heard
only intermittently. In fairness though, these tapes had not been
properly stored. I retrieved them out of a dank basement.
Mike Rice
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:33:31 GMT, glenzabr@xmission.com (GMAN) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <43125571.2570765@news.snet.sbcglobal.net>, kaboomicus@NOSPAMyahoo.com wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:43:04 -0400, "M.H." <none@none.com> wrote:
Um, tapes degrade to an unusable state after 10-15 years...
**No, they don't. Well, perhaps if you watch them quite often. I have
many tapes some dating back to the early 80s that are just fine. For
instance, I recently bought a multisystem VCR with a PAL/NTSC
converter. Then I pulled a bunch of PAL tapes out of storage and
played them. They were fantastic. The tapes were made by me in Sweden
in 1987.
kaboomie
It all comes down to how you store them. if you follow the manufacturers
suggestion, store them properly, play them sparingly, always rewind, keep the
vcr's maintained properly. You can get 20-30 years or so from tape with almost
no degredation. But tapes will eventually break down, the oxide will flake
off, magbnetic particles will realighn due to the earth magnetic field yad
yada yada. So a digital backup of the tape is advised. |
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gerry
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:51 pm Post subject:
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VHS tapes may last a long time, but that does no good in the future
when your VCR breaks down and there are no new low cost VCRs made and
few VCR repair shops around to fix the ones still in use. Flea markets
still have 8 track audio casettes, but 8 track players are history. To
a lesser extent, the same goes for laserdisc players. The advantage of
DVDs is that you can store the DVD on a computer hard drive and, a few
years off, in a flash memory storage device when the price of flash
memory comes way down. And DVDs stored in a paper sleeve take up a
tenth of the space of a VHS tape. The contents on VHS tapes, digitally
transferred to DVDR and backed up on a computer, can last almost
forever with no generational loss. Comparing VHS recordings of movies
I made on TCM 7 or 8 years ago with more recent recordings of these
same movies on a DVD recorder, there is no comparison, the newer copy
is far superior (due in part to TCM now using high definition masters
for many of its broadcast movies). Mass market VHS tapes and recorders
are soon to land in the same old technology graveyard as LP records and
players, laserdiscs, B/W televison and 8 track casettes., |
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John Russell
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject:
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"gerry" <gerrytwo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | VHS tapes may last a long time, but that does no good in the future
when your VCR breaks down and there are no new low cost VCRs made and
few VCR repair shops around to fix the ones still in use. Flea markets
still have 8 track audio casettes, but 8 track players are history. To
a lesser extent, the same goes for laserdisc players. The advantage of
DVDs is that you can store the DVD on a computer hard drive and, a few
years off, in a flash memory storage device when the price of flash
memory comes way down. And DVDs stored in a paper sleeve take up a
tenth of the space of a VHS tape. The contents on VHS tapes, digitally
transferred to DVDR and backed up on a computer, can last almost
forever with no generational loss. Comparing VHS recordings of movies
I made on TCM 7 or 8 years ago with more recent recordings of these
same movies on a DVD recorder, there is no comparison, the newer copy
is far superior (due in part to TCM now using high definition masters
for many of its broadcast movies). Mass market VHS tapes and recorders
are soon to land in the same old technology graveyard as LP records and
players, laserdiscs, B/W televison and 8 track casettes.,
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LP's havn't died. When the whole RAVE scene arrived DJ's wanted to mix and
juggle multiple songs live. This is still done best using records. |
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gerry
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Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:26 am Post subject:
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Very true. Most people don't scratch records to change the sound of
the recording. LPs will always be around, but only as a niche market
item. I know someone who has a business selling LPs, and he has buyers
who want original cast recordings of old Broadway shows and of
recordings that never made it to CD. Older people, except when
Dateline NBC sent someone out to buy an album just for its cover, to
show on TV, when Dateline NBC had their quiz section, what year was it?
How many people under 30 have a record player or a laserdisc player?
The 12 cm. CD and DVD discs great advantage over previous data storage
formats, longevitywise in the 21st century, is the use of DVD/CD drives
in computers. |
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John Russell
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:44 am Post subject:
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"gerry" <gerrytwo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129958807.175892.212030@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | Very true. Most people don't scratch records to change the sound of
the recording. LPs will always be around, but only as a niche market
item. I know someone who has a business selling LPs, and he has buyers
who want original cast recordings of old Broadway shows and of
recordings that never made it to CD. Older people, except when
Dateline NBC sent someone out to buy an album just for its cover, to
show on TV, when Dateline NBC had their quiz section, what year was it?
How many people under 30 have a record player or a laserdisc player?
The 12 cm. CD and DVD discs great advantage over previous data storage
formats, longevitywise in the 21st century, is the use of DVD/CD drives
in computers.
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Twin deck set-ups are now very common and those into rave music woudn't
think of these as outdated. |
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