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mozark
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:26 pm Post subject:
Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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1. What is gained by decrypting a DVD first via DVD Decrypter, and then
using DVD Shrink? Why not just go straight to Shrink? Doesn't Shrink's
analysis do the same thing as Decrypter?
2. Do you get better results burning an ISO file after decrypting with DVD
Decrypter, than if you use the "File" mode with Decrypter?
Thanks!
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Dave White
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Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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"mozark" <mozarko@ibm.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | 1. What is gained by decrypting a DVD first via DVD Decrypter, and then
using DVD Shrink? Why not just go straight to Shrink? Doesn't Shrink's
analysis do the same thing as Decrypter?
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Some disks, DVD Shrink cannot handle and it chokes on em. You use Decrypter
or DVD Fab Decrypter to get them on the HDD first.
My Pioneer 107 is RPC1 anyway, so 9 times out of 10 I only use DVD Shrink.
However, a few times the DVD's have choked, so I rip em with DVD Decrypter
that can handle the errors(usually, set 'ignore read errors' and retry to
'0').
| Quote: | 2. Do you get better results burning an ISO file after decrypting with DVD
Decrypter, than if you use the "File" mode with Decrypter?
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I *think*, if you are having problems ripping a DVD, then 'file' mode seems
to be a bit more robust. |
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TommyDale
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Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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I concure with Dave White. There are some occasions where DVD Shrink
just can't read a disk. In those cases, I have always succeeded using
the alternate decryption he mentioned. |
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Gordon Abbot
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Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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TommyDale wrote:
| Quote: | I concure with Dave White. There are some occasions where DVD Shrink
just can't read a disk. In those cases, I have always succeeded using
the alternate decryption he mentioned.
Especially when there are problems on the disk, then decrypter is an |
excellent disk recoverer. Shrink will hang up.
GA
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My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly. |
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Joe
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Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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"mozark" <mozarko@ibm.com> wrote:
| Quote: | 1. What is gained by decrypting a DVD first via DVD Decrypter, and then
using DVD Shrink? Why not just go straight to Shrink? Doesn't Shrink's
analysis do the same thing as Decrypter?
2. Do you get better results burning an ISO file after decrypting with DVD
Decrypter, than if you use the "File" mode with Decrypter?
Thanks!
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I can't come up with single stupid answer (and you do not want stupid
answer anyway) so I give you a general good answer.
1. NO, you can use either one of them or none (use other if you wish)
2. DVD Decrypter is a RIPPER *not* shrinker/compressor so it can't shrink
like DVD Shrink can.
3. DVD Shrink is DVD Ripper, DVD Shrinker, and also DVD Rebuilder (DVD
Decrypter may have rebuild option which I don't know)
So, use whatever you need, and don't use what you don't need. Or you can
use both if you wish cause it won't make no difference.
Cuz DVD Shrink won't shrink if there is nothing to shrink. Burner is
Burner which won't make any difference in quality (except converting,
conpressing etc. then there may be some difference between programs and even
version's of same program ... that's the reason why some version is better
than other). |
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Joe
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Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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Gordon Abbot <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote:
| Quote: | TommyDale wrote:
I concure with Dave White. There are some occasions where DVD Shrink
just can't read a disk. In those cases, I have always succeeded using
the alternate decryption he mentioned.
Especially when there are problems on the disk, then decrypter is an
excellent disk recoverer. Shrink will hang up.
GA
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Which mean you guys need to look deeper of what you rip (something isn't
right), because DVD Shrink is a Shrinker/Compressor that requires a standard
working DVD in order to shrink.
Yes, some program can handle some damaged or wierd clip better than other.
Also, DVD Decrypter is a ripper *not* a shrinker like DVD Shrink is, and if
you have problem shrinking some DVD then you may want to try Nero Recode
which does the similar to DVD Shrink (also, they are Shrinker/Compressor not
just Ripper). |
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mozark
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Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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Thanks, Joe.
Just a follow-up. If I first decrypt with DVD Decrypter, then put it through
a DVD Shrink "deep analysis", and then burn it, will I get a better burn
than if I only went through one or the other step?
"Joe" <dont@spam.me> wrote in message
news:43062952.43117064@anonymous.com...
"mozark" <mozarko@ibm.com> wrote:
| Quote: | 1. What is gained by decrypting a DVD first via DVD Decrypter, and then
using DVD Shrink? Why not just go straight to Shrink? Doesn't Shrink's
analysis do the same thing as Decrypter?
2. Do you get better results burning an ISO file after decrypting with DVD
Decrypter, than if you use the "File" mode with Decrypter?
Thanks!
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I can't come up with single stupid answer (and you do not want stupid
answer anyway) so I give you a general good answer.
1. NO, you can use either one of them or none (use other if you wish)
2. DVD Decrypter is a RIPPER *not* shrinker/compressor so it can't shrink
like DVD Shrink can.
3. DVD Shrink is DVD Ripper, DVD Shrinker, and also DVD Rebuilder (DVD
Decrypter may have rebuild option which I don't know)
So, use whatever you need, and don't use what you don't need. Or you can
use both if you wish cause it won't make no difference.
Cuz DVD Shrink won't shrink if there is nothing to shrink. Burner is
Burner which won't make any difference in quality (except converting,
conpressing etc. then there may be some difference between programs and even
version's of same program ... that's the reason why some version is better
than other). |
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Alpha
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Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:11 am Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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"mozark" <mozarko@ibm.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Thanks, Joe.
Just a follow-up. If I first decrypt with DVD Decrypter, then put it
through a DVD Shrink "deep analysis", and then burn it, will I get a
better burn than if I only went through one or the other step?
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DVD Decrypter does not shrink. The shrink needs the analysis to determine
what parameters to set for *altering* the original. So the answer is no. |
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Joe
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Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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"mozark" <mozarko@ibm.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks, Joe.
Just a follow-up. If I first decrypt with DVD Decrypter, then put it through
a DVD Shrink "deep analysis", and then burn it, will I get a better burn
than if I only went through one or the other step?
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"Deep Analysis" is just on of few compression options, you pick whatever
option you like (I just use the standard/default compression). And it won't
compress if nothing to compress, or if the data already fit on DVD-5
And if DVD Shrink, Nero or similar refuse to continue (or error report)
then the chance that the DVD is either missing some file, some extra file,
corrupted file, or not standard DVD. Of course some DVD can play just fine,
and it's a good idea to re-author the DVD which won't take long.
I don't have experience with using neither DVD Decrypter nor DVD Shrink to
re-author, but I do use TDA to re-author many damaged DVD (different
method's fr different type of damage's).
| Quote: | "Joe" <dont@spam.me> wrote in message
news:43062952.43117064@anonymous.com...
"mozark" <mozarko@ibm.com> wrote:
1. What is gained by decrypting a DVD first via DVD Decrypter, and then
using DVD Shrink? Why not just go straight to Shrink? Doesn't Shrink's
analysis do the same thing as Decrypter?
2. Do you get better results burning an ISO file after decrypting with DVD
Decrypter, than if you use the "File" mode with Decrypter?
Thanks!
I can't come up with single stupid answer (and you do not want stupid
answer anyway) so I give you a general good answer.
1. NO, you can use either one of them or none (use other if you wish)
2. DVD Decrypter is a RIPPER *not* shrinker/compressor so it can't shrink
like DVD Shrink can.
3. DVD Shrink is DVD Ripper, DVD Shrinker, and also DVD Rebuilder (DVD
Decrypter may have rebuild option which I don't know)
So, use whatever you need, and don't use what you don't need. Or you can
use both if you wish cause it won't make no difference.
Cuz DVD Shrink won't shrink if there is nothing to shrink. Burner is
Burner which won't make any difference in quality (except converting,
conpressing etc. then there may be some difference between programs and even
version's of same program ... that's the reason why some version is better
than other).
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mozark
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Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:30 am Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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I don't have experience with using neither DVD Decrypter nor DVD Shrink to
re-author, but I do use TDA to re-author many damaged DVD (different
method's fr different type of damage's).
Thanks again, Joe. What's TDA?? |
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Fuzzy Wuzzy
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Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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| Quote: | 1. What is gained by decrypting a DVD first via DVD Decrypter, and then
using DVD Shrink? Why not just go straight to Shrink? Doesn't Shrink's
analysis do the same thing as Decrypter?
2. Do you get better results burning an ISO file after decrypting with DVD
Decrypter, than if you use the "File" mode with Decrypter?
Thanks!
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I've always figured that if you use dvd decrypter to rip the
dvd to the HD first, taking 10 minutes or so, it would be better
for the actual dvd unit ..than to rip/compress from said unit
for the 40 minutes to an hour it takes for it to 1. Analyse
2. deep analyse 3. rip/shrink...
Does that make sense? 10 minutes VS 1 hour (depending on the actual
dvd and speed of computer) would perhaps prolong the life
of your dvd unit? |
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Dave White
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Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:04 pm Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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"Joe" <dont@spam.me> wrote in message
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Gordon Abbot <gabbot@mmo.net> wrote:
| Quote: | TommyDale wrote:
I concure with Dave White. There are some occasions where DVD Shrink
just can't read a disk. In those cases, I have always succeeded using
the alternate decryption he mentioned.
Especially when there are problems on the disk, then decrypter is an
excellent disk recoverer. Shrink will hang up.
GA
Which mean you guys need to look deeper of what you rip (something isn't
right), because DVD Shrink is a Shrinker/Compressor that ......<snip
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Yes - I know and I think our poster knows that DVDShrink is a
Shrink/Compress and Decrypter is a ripper.
You can use DVDShink to rip/shrink, if you have RPC-1 drive or AnyDVD
running....
However, DVDShrinks capability to deal with problematic disks is limited,
whilst DVD Decrypter has fewer problems and settings to deal with the
problems. |
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Dave White
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Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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"mozark" <mozarko@ibm.com> wrote in message
news:LyINe.460$I93.247@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
| Quote: | Thanks, Joe.
Just a follow-up. If I first decrypt with DVD Decrypter, then put it
through a DVD Shrink "deep analysis", and then burn it, will I get a
better burn than if I only went through one or the other step?
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Deep Analysis in DVD Shrink will create a better compressed image than not
shrinking. If you add the further error correcting options 'sharper', you'll
get an even better picture on the final DVD-R. |
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Dave White
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Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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"Joe" <dont@spam.me> wrote in message
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"mozark" <mozarko@ibm.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks, Joe.
Just a follow-up. If I first decrypt with DVD Decrypter, then put it
through
a DVD Shrink "deep analysis", and then burn it, will I get a better burn
than if I only went through one or the other step?
"And if DVD Shrink, Nero or similar refuse to continue (or error report)
then the chance that the DVD is either missing some file, some extra file,
corrupted file, or not standard DVD. Of course some DVD can play just
fine,
and it's a good idea to re-author the DVD which won't take long.
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Sony ArcoSS protection probably. Setting Decrypter to 'ignore read errors'
and 'retry' to Zero, will get you your image.
| Quote: | I don't have experience with using neither DVD Decrypter nor DVD Shrink to
re-author, but I do use TDA to re-author many damaged DVD (different
method's fr different type of damage's).
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You can't re-author with Decrypter. It's a ripper, remember?
DVD Shrink is dead easy, but it's very simplified. You'll only get the
movie, no menu or extras.
TDA - I think Tmpgenc DVD Author? This is a straightforward DVD author that
allows you to create menus etc. Will require you ripping the film from said
DVD, don't see how that would make things simpler here. |
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Joe
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Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
Re: Two Really Stupid Questions, But I Am New to This. . . |
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"mozark" <mozarko@ibm.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I don't have experience with using neither DVD Decrypter nor DVD Shrink to
re-author, but I do use TDA to re-author many damaged DVD (different
method's fr different type of damage's).
Thanks again, Joe. What's TDA??
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TMPGenc DVD Author. |
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