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whodothere
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Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
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In article <IJqx89.8Hz@wjv.com>, bv@wjv.com wrote:
| Quote: | In article <yuCdncYaEN7VmUnfRVn-vw@rogers.com>, nolsar
nolsar@rogers.com> wrote:
Buy the cheapest, all electronics these days are built
cheap,unless you`re buying really high-end at very high prices.
the only difference between a $250 toshiba and a $100 classic or
whatever is the brand name (toshiba to classic).I bet if you were
to open up the 2,the parts would be almost identical.
The only differences as you state are not quite true.
Some of the cheaper units will not record the audio in stereo.
Some don't have have Firewire/I-Link inputs if you want to transfer
from a camcorder that has one.
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Not entirely true, while the liteons dont have stereo tuners, they will record
in stereo using external source such as cable tuner box, Satellite receiver,
or any external source.
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Personally any one I'd use would have to have a tuner that does
record the stereo soundtrack, and at least 1 video/audio input.
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Useless unless you directly use the DVD burner to record off air or off of
analog cable.
| Quote: | My Philips has two composite video inputs and two Ext [the way they
label them] which are firewire/i-link.
You have to look carefully and sometimes get a someone to show you
the manuals to be sure of what you are getting.
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WinField
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Large Farva wrote:
| Quote: | Who uses a tuner in a DVD recorder? I remember the VCR my Dad bought in 1978
had one...but why would you need one now?
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I have a Sony T.V. that does PIP (picture-in-picture) -- but it has no
second tuner. It depends on a VCR / DVD player to supply that to make
the PIP actually work.
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Large Farva
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Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:20 am Post subject:
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Who uses a tuner in a DVD recorder? I remember the VCR my Dad bought in
1978
had one...but why would you need one now?
I do, it's required with analog cable.
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Alpha
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Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject:
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"Rotes Sapiens" <rs@redplanet.mars.org.cy> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:20:16 -0400, "Z Man" <z1z@hotmail.com> wrote:
Some units with Firewire will interface with a computer, others will
only interface to a digital camera.
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This is only true outside of the US. No US recorders with firewire will
interface with a computer, since it has been determined to violate a 1999
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Jaszmin
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:46 am Post subject:
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I agree with this. I bought the cheapest ILO dvd recorder
for $98. Do you really think one 4 head vhs recorder is
any better than another. Of course it isn't. They're all
the same. Don't be fooled by claims that a basic patented
process differs that much from machine to machine. the
expensive machine will produce the same copies as the
expensive one.
Mike Rice
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:55:25 -0400, "nolsar" <nolsar@rogers.com>
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| Quote: | Buy the cheapest, all electronics these days are built cheap,unless you`re
buying really high-end at very high prices.
the only difference between a $250 toshiba and a $100 classic or whatever is
the brand name (toshiba to classic).I bet if you were to open up the 2,the
parts would be almost identical.
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"Large Farva" <none@nospam.com> wrote:
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Yeah I'm sure it's nice..really. I'd love to have it. But what do I get
for
that extra $150? If I have something I want to do a REALLY nice
transfer
of,
I have a computer with a DVD burner that will run circles around a
standalone, I just want something simple to dump a VHS onto a DVD for
when I
don't need nice menus or editing or the fancy stuff I do with the
computer.
I just want a DVD version of my VHS..so why should I get that $250
recorder
instead of a $100 recorder?
In that case. buy the Lite-On 5006
Cheers!
But WHY? Tell me why I should buy it? Does it make recordings that look
$100
better than the iLo/Lite-On unit that Walmart sells? It's only $50 less
than
that Toshiba...why not go for the Toshiba?
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Jaszmin
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:48 am Post subject:
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The $98 ILO has all the stuff you mention below.
Mike Rice
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:35:06 GMT, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <yuCdncYaEN7VmUnfRVn-vw@rogers.com>, nolsar
nolsar@rogers.com> wrote:
Buy the cheapest, all electronics these days are built
cheap,unless you`re buying really high-end at very high prices.
the only difference between a $250 toshiba and a $100 classic or
whatever is the brand name (toshiba to classic).I bet if you were
to open up the 2,the parts would be almost identical.
The only differences as you state are not quite true.
Some of the cheaper units will not record the audio in stereo.
Some don't have have Firewire/I-Link inputs if you want to transfer
from a camcorder that has one.
Personally any one I'd use would have to have a tuner that does
record the stereo soundtrack, and at least 1 video/audio input.
My Philips has two composite video inputs and two Ext [the way they
label them] which are firewire/i-link.
You have to look carefully and sometimes get a someone to show you
the manuals to be sure of what you are getting.
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"Large Farva" <none@nospam.com> wrote:
[super mega snip]
Yeah I'm sure it's nice..really. I'd love to have it. But what do I get
for
that extra $150? If I have something I want to do a REALLY nice
transfer
of,
I have a computer with a DVD burner that will run circles around a
standalone, I just want something simple to dump a VHS onto a DVD for
when I
don't need nice menus or editing or the fancy stuff I do with the
computer.
I just want a DVD version of my VHS..so why should I get that $250
recorder
instead of a $100 recorder?
In that case. buy the Lite-On 5006
Cheers!
But WHY? Tell me why I should buy it? Does it make recordings that look
$100
better than the iLo/Lite-On unit that Walmart sells? It's only $50 less
than
that Toshiba...why not go for the Toshiba?
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Jaszmin
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:51 am Post subject:
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If one records RF on VHS, there is no difference between
it and video and audio recording. There is a difference with
DVDs, however. I tried taping rf and had enormous roaring
on the soundtrack. Not so with v/a dvd recorder taping.
Mike Rice
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 23:30:16 GMT, "Large Farva" <none@nospam.com>
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In article <yuCdncYaEN7VmUnfRVn-vw@rogers.com>, nolsar
nolsar@rogers.com> wrote:
Buy the cheapest, all electronics these days are built
cheap,unless you`re buying really high-end at very high prices.
the only difference between a $250 toshiba and a $100 classic or
whatever is the brand name (toshiba to classic).I bet if you were
to open up the 2,the parts would be almost identical.
The only differences as you state are not quite true.
Some of the cheaper units will not record the audio in stereo.
Some don't have have Firewire/I-Link inputs if you want to transfer
from a camcorder that has one.
I've never heard of a DVD recorder that records in only
mono...can you link to the one you're talking about?
It was a post in this NG a few months ago. One of the el-cheapos.
I want to say ILO, but that may be wrong. I was surprised when I
heard about that too.
It's not iLo, all of them are stereo..they even have firewire inputs.
One model has a mono tuner...
Who uses a tuner in a DVD recorder? I remember the VCR my Dad bought in 1978
had one...but why would you need one now?
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Jaszmin
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:52 am Post subject:
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I don't think it IS required with analog video. DVD players
almost uniformly operate in video and audio, in and out.
Mike
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 00:19:24 GMT, "DUH" <ohmygosh@wowspam.com> wrote:
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"Large Farva" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
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In article <yuCdncYaEN7VmUnfRVn-vw@rogers.com>, nolsar
nolsar@rogers.com> wrote:
Buy the cheapest, all electronics these days are built
cheap,unless you`re buying really high-end at very high prices.
the only difference between a $250 toshiba and a $100 classic or
whatever is the brand name (toshiba to classic).I bet if you were
to open up the 2,the parts would be almost identical.
The only differences as you state are not quite true.
Some of the cheaper units will not record the audio in stereo.
Some don't have have Firewire/I-Link inputs if you want to transfer
from a camcorder that has one.
I've never heard of a DVD recorder that records in only
mono...can you link to the one you're talking about?
It was a post in this NG a few months ago. One of the el-cheapos.
I want to say ILO, but that may be wrong. I was surprised when I
heard about that too.
It's not iLo, all of them are stereo..they even have firewire inputs.
One model has a mono tuner...
Who uses a tuner in a DVD recorder? I remember the VCR my Dad bought in
1978
had one...but why would you need one now?
I do, it's required with analog cable.
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Jaszmin
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:54 am Post subject:
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Its a cheapie, alright, but it works as good as
an expensive one I discovered.
Mike Rice
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:10:49 +0100, Graham
<thedoctor@thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
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"Large Farva" <none@nospam.com> wrote:
[snip]
But WHY? Tell me why I should buy it? Does it make recordings that look $100
better than the iLo/Lite-On unit that Walmart sells? It's only $50 less than
that Toshiba...why not go for the Toshiba?
Sorry. I thought the Lite-On was one of the cheapies. (It is over here
in England)
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Jaszmin
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:58 am Post subject:
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I don't really think you can use a TV tuner to
record for DVD. There's an AGC issue when
you use the rf. RF (radio frequency) produces
a roaring soundtrack if you use rf to record. I
think that is why the Industry mostly went to
audio and video with almost 100 % of DVD
players. To get the public used to working
in video and audio. I'd been using if for years
anyway, to clearn macroes VHS, with a video
filter, that, of course, required using video and
audio and not RF.
Mike Rice
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:30:47 GMT, "Large Farva" <none@nospam.com>
wrote:
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"LeCorbusier" <themroc@aol.com> wrote in message
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I would suggest you get one with a hard drive. You'll never have to worry
about having a blank dvd installed when you want to record a show.
"Large Farva" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Thinking about picking up a standalone DVD recorder to capture the stuff
I
don't want to take the time to do with the computer.
I'll cut to the chase and use WalMart as an example..they have an iLo
(LiteOn or Cyberhome..whichever) for $98 and Pioneer and Panasonic for
$198.
Basically..other than build quality..what do the $200 recorders do that
the
$100 recorder can't? Any good forms dealing with these recorders?
When i decided for a Philips DVDR610 in 11/04,lots of cheap recorders,like
LiteOn(5005?),had horribly primitive TV tuners,not supporting any of
these:
-Channel sorting
-Station ID
-VPS
-ShowView
-Direct Recording
Hard to handle 30+ stations under these conditions.
A TV tuner is something I would never ever useso that's a moot point. I
haven't used a TV tuner in over 15 years!
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Jaszmin
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If you're going to make DVDs from any of it, you
had better find a way to record it from video and
audio. I noticed some people with sets too old
to have video inputs, plugged them thru their
VCRs. In a pinch you can try that, tho the
fewer impediments with minimal equipment is
better.
Mike Rice
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:43:45 GMT, "Large Farva" <none@nospam.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Yes, my TV never leaves channel 3. However there are over 500 channels of
DirectTV and 4 DVD changers with 300 DVD's in each all connected to that
channel 3. Hardly boring.
"nobody" <sirspamalot@spammer.com> wrote in message
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Must be pretty boring stuck on 1 channel and not using a TV tuner to
change
it.
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Jaszmin
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That depends on the system providing the converter box. HBO and
most premium channels are NOT copy protected on cable and
satellite channels.
Mike Rice
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:18:24 -0700, "Frank" <nospam@email.com> wrote:
| Quote: | That Toshiba recorder cant do DVD+R/RW discs. Plus you cant record from HBO
and most premium channels because of copy protection
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Morton Davis
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"Jaszmin" <.97531rc@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I agree with this. I bought the cheapest ILO dvd recorder
for $98. Do you really think one 4 head vhs recorder is
any better than another. Of course it isn't. They're all
the same. Don't be fooled by claims that a basic patented
process differs that much from machine to machine. the
expensive machine will produce the same copies as the
expensive one.
Mike Rice
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Years ago, my JC Penny VCR started eating tapes. I did what I always did - I
called a friend for advice. After spending a couple of hours with him
explaing how a VCR works and his handing me the idler tire and telling me
where to get one, I got an idea.
I bought a book on VCR repair for $8 and expanded on what he'd taught me. A
week later I was in business at the local flea market. I put up a sign at my
booth: VCR Repair While You Shop - $20. The most common VCR problems were
dirty heads and worn idler tires or belts. I ordered an idler tire kit for
$40. And I ordered a selection of VCR belts for $25.
By the second week I was doing up to five a day on Saturdays and Sundays. I
was also buying used VCRs for next to nothing, cvleaning the heads and
changing tires and belts and selling them. It was good money.
My point is this: I took the tops off of hundreds of VCRs over the next few
years. They were mostly the same inside, outside of the size of the idler or
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GMAN
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In article <2k69l1dmu2aij82j0mblj0sva87mhhbg4f@4ax.com>, 97531rc@centurytel.net wrote:
| Quote: | The $98 ILO has all the stuff you mention below.
Mike Rice
That 98$ ILO is a mono only tuner!!! |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:35:06 GMT, bv@wjv.com (Bill Vermillion) wrote:
In article <yuCdncYaEN7VmUnfRVn-vw@rogers.com>, nolsar
nolsar@rogers.com> wrote:
Buy the cheapest, all electronics these days are built
cheap,unless you`re buying really high-end at very high prices.
the only difference between a $250 toshiba and a $100 classic or
whatever is the brand name (toshiba to classic).I bet if you were
to open up the 2,the parts would be almost identical.
The only differences as you state are not quite true.
Some of the cheaper units will not record the audio in stereo.
Some don't have have Firewire/I-Link inputs if you want to transfer
from a camcorder that has one.
Personally any one I'd use would have to have a tuner that does
record the stereo soundtrack, and at least 1 video/audio input.
My Philips has two composite video inputs and two Ext [the way they
label them] which are firewire/i-link.
You have to look carefully and sometimes get a someone to show you
the manuals to be sure of what you are getting.
"Large Farva" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Graham" <thedoctor@thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Large Farva" <none@nospam.com> wrote:
[super mega snip]
Yeah I'm sure it's nice..really. I'd love to have it. But what do I get
for
that extra $150? If I have something I want to do a REALLY nice
transfer
of,
I have a computer with a DVD burner that will run circles around a
standalone, I just want something simple to dump a VHS onto a DVD for
when I
don't need nice menus or editing or the fancy stuff I do with the
computer.
I just want a DVD version of my VHS..so why should I get that $250
recorder
instead of a $100 recorder?
In that case. buy the Lite-On 5006
Cheers!
But WHY? Tell me why I should buy it? Does it make recordings that look
$100
better than the iLo/Lite-On unit that Walmart sells? It's only $50 less
than
that Toshiba...why not go for the Toshiba?
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Bill Vermillion
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In article <vd69l1tqlquhj7tpb5c9pi4tgafmeuoipm@4ax.com>,
Jaszmin <97531rc@centurytel.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I agree with this. I bought the cheapest ILO dvd recorder
for $98. Do you really think one 4 head vhs recorder is
any better than another. Of course it isn't. They're all
the same. Don't be fooled by claims that a basic patented
process differs that much from machine to machine. the
expensive machine will produce the same copies as the
expensive one.
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As to VHS players there are BIG differences.
I have a fairly expensive [cost me $300 two years ago as a refurb]
that has a 4MB frame buffer that lets you perform digital noise
reduction. It also has a built in TBC [Time Base Corrector] to
take VHS tapes and make them look as stable as direct live video
or DVD. It's strange to see video tapes with no movements at all.
They are not all the same. There are some expensive machines that
aren't worth the money, but the better heads, flying erase if you
are recording, TBC, DNR, etc., will give you video that you aren't
used to seeing on VHS>
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Mike Rice
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:55:25 -0400, "nolsar" <nolsar@rogers.com
wrote:
Buy the cheapest, all electronics these days are built cheap,unless you`re
buying really high-end at very high prices.
the only difference between a $250 toshiba and a $100 classic or whatever is
the brand name (toshiba to classic).I bet if you were to open up the 2,the
parts would be almost identical.
"Large Farva" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Graham" <thedoctor@thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Large Farva" <none@nospam.com> wrote:
[super mega snip]
Yeah I'm sure it's nice..really. I'd love to have it. But what do I get
for
that extra $150? If I have something I want to do a REALLY nice
transfer
of,
I have a computer with a DVD burner that will run circles around a
standalone, I just want something simple to dump a VHS onto a DVD for
when I
don't need nice menus or editing or the fancy stuff I do with the
computer.
I just want a DVD version of my VHS..so why should I get that $250
recorder
instead of a $100 recorder?
In that case. buy the Lite-On 5006
Cheers!
But WHY? Tell me why I should buy it? Does it make recordings that look
$100
better than the iLo/Lite-On unit that Walmart sells? It's only $50 less
than
that Toshiba...why not go for the Toshiba?
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