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Stephen Macmillan
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:01 am Post subject:
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Guys,
Is there any two channel SACD players < $1000 people would recommend?
It would be used exclusively for two channel stereo play back so I
don't need video circuits. Does such a beast exist? Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.
thanks,
Stephen
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corks
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:56 pm Post subject:
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pioneer dvd757 ????
denon 1700 ?????
i think there a cheaper sony deck too
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"Stephen Macmillan" <smacmillan@qvalent.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Guys,
Is there any two channel SACD players < $1000 people would recommend?
It would be used exclusively for two channel stereo play back so I
don't need video circuits. Does such a beast exist? Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.
thanks,
Stephen |
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Arny Krueger
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:23 pm Post subject:
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"Stephen Macmillan" <smacmillan@qvalent.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Is there any two channel SACD players < $1000 people would recommend?
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Yes, the Pioneer DV 563 and DV-578. They are *universal* players and don't
cost a lot of money, so you won't feel so bad when SACD is pulled from the
market due to lack of consumer interest. This was originally supposed to
happen early in 2004, but for some reason Sony and Phillips decided to
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Alan Rutlidge
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:49 pm Post subject:
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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Stephen Macmillan" <smacmillan@qvalent.com> wrote in message
news:e4ca3f73.0411181801.58f021c1@posting.google.com
Is there any two channel SACD players < $1000 people would recommend?
Yes, the Pioneer DV 563 and DV-578. They are *universal* players and
don't
cost a lot of money, so you won't feel so bad when SACD is pulled from the
market due to lack of consumer interest. This was originally supposed to
happen early in 2004, but for some reason Sony and Phillips decided to
soldier on bravely, despite their economic losses.
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Yeah, and both of these players are shite IMHO. Basically DVD players with
SACD as an afterthought.
Any expectation the SACD is a failure is bullshit. If your assumption is so
correct explain why so many other record companies other than Sony and
Philips continue to release both new and back catalogue titles every month?
Arny, you are obviously taking the Australian only attitude to SACD - like
when you go into a Sanity store and ask them where they keep their SACDs and
you get a blank look sometimes followed up with the question "SACD - what's
that?" I rest my case...
Arny, your comment reminds me of a remark made 20 years ago by a major
record retailer - "There is no future for CD, the format will never take
off. That's why we won't carry them." Needless to say the company no
longer exists - they were lost in the world of vinyl. Their clientele moved
on to retailers prepared to stock a reasonable range of CDs.
2 channel only SACD players are a bit of a rarity. The entry level Sony
player is a multichannel job but plays the 2 channel SACD layer quite okay.
Cheers,
Alan |
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Arny Krueger
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:05 pm Post subject:
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"Alan Rutlidge .iinet.net.au>" <rutlidge@<No_Spam> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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"Stephen Macmillan" <smacmillan@qvalent.com> wrote in message
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Is there any two channel SACD players < $1000 people would
recommend?
Yes, the Pioneer DV 563 and DV-578. They are *universal* players
and don't cost a lot of money, so you won't feel so bad when SACD is
pulled from the market due to lack of consumer interest. This was
originally supposed to happen early in 2004, but for some reason
Sony and Phillips decided to soldier on bravely, despite their
economic losses.
Yeah, and both of these players are shite IMHO.
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I don't think you have a *humble* opinion. What you do have is an
unsupported opinion. Those are like buttholes, everybody has at least one.
| Quote: | Basically DVD players with SACD as an afterthought.
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So what about that makes them necessarily sound bad?
| Quote: | Any expectation the SACD is a failure is bullshit.
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Let's revisit this question in 6 months and see what's shaking. There's no
use arguing about a future that is so distant.
| Quote: | If your assumption is so correct explain why so many other record
companies
other than Sony and Philips continue to release both new and back
catalogue titles every month?
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Inertia. Chauvenism. Inability to observe the obvious.
http://www.burningbits.com/artman/publish/dvd-audio-exceed-sacd.shtml
http://news.designtechnica.com/article5799.html
http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=18483611
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0411&L=classical&F=&S=&P=3683
"You are probably right. I'm amazed at the sales figures for the Bjork
SACD (I assume you mean Vespertine). In the US, only 300,000 SACDs total
were sold in the first half of 2004 (compared with 349,000,000 CDs sold
during the same period - that's a mere 0.1% of the market for SACD).
Amazon US ranks Vespertine (the album was released in 2001 on CD and
DVD-A - when it went to #19 on the billboard album sales charts - and
in March 2004 on SACD) at number 782 in terms of sales, and the SACD
version at number 146,458 for the hybrid SACD. Amazon UK currently ranks
the CD at number 1,453; the SACD at number 11,428; and the DVD-A at
number 12,927. I wonder who's selling all those Bjork SACDs! In any
case, it is very true that there have been SACD sales successes including
the early Rolling Stones albums, Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, the
Bob Dylan albums, Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, The Who's
Tommy, and apparently Bjork."
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/archive/index.php/t-54370.html
The final crusher:
http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/pdf/2004midYrStats.pdf
| Quote: | Arny, you are obviously taking the Australian only attitude to SACD -
like when you go into a Sanity store and ask them where they keep
their SACDs and you get a blank look sometimes followed up with the
question "SACD - what's that?" I rest my case...
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Everybody who reads this and knows my true physical location (i.e., most
regulars) is now having a good laugh...
| Quote: | Arny, your comment reminds me of a remark made 20 years ago by a major
record retailer - "There is no future for CD, the format will never
take off. That's why we won't carry them."
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I dunno. My local retailer at the time couldn't get enough CDs to meet local
demand. At one time I had every title he stocked.
| Quote: | Needless to say the
company no longer exists - they were lost in the world of vinyl.
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Not a problem that I had any experience with.
| Quote: | Their clientele moved on to retailers prepared to stock a reasonable
range of CDs.
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AFAIK, you're making this up.
| Quote: | 2 channel only SACD players are a bit of a rarity. The entry level
Sony player is a multichannel job but plays the 2 channel SACD layer
quite okay.
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What's wrong with the way the suggested players play 2-channel SACD? |
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S Roby
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:48 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Any expectation the SACD is a failure is bullshit. If your assumption is so
correct explain why so many other record companies other than Sony and
Philips continue to release both new and back catalogue titles every month?
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Philips Digital tape system, Beta vcr's, DAT tape recorders, Minidisk etc etc
etc: not all of these are dead but are struggling in the consumer market.
SACD may not die but will it thrive?? |
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MDHJWH
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:51 am Post subject:
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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:<yKKdndaOO79KVADcRVn-gA@comcast.com>...
Snip<.. so you won't feel so bad when SACD is pulled from the
| Quote: | market due to lack of consumer interest. This was originally supposed to
happen early in 2004, but for some reason Sony and Phillips decided to
soldier on bravely, despite their economic losses.
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HMM! Where did that information come from? I don't read the audioporn
mags any more so I'm behind the times I suppose. Why, I wonder, are
Sony & Phillips soldiering on bravely. Unlike then not to dump & run
when the profits dry up. RIP ---- how many abandoned formats now?
Ayn Marx ........ |
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TT
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:46 am Post subject:
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"MDHJWH" <mdhjwh@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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Snip<.. so you won't feel so bad when SACD is pulled from the
market due to lack of consumer interest. This was originally supposed to
happen early in 2004, but for some reason Sony and Phillips decided to
soldier on bravely, despite their economic losses.
---- how many abandoned formats now?
Ayn Marx ........
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Vinyl 78,45 SP and probably LP soon
8 Track
Reel to Reel
Cassette Tape
Mini Disc
DAT
Pick the above two that will generate some very harsh comments ;-)
TT "................." still no phono stage |
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Robert Casey
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:15 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Vinyl 78,45 SP and probably LP soon
8 Track
Reel to Reel
Cassette Tape
Mini Disc
DAT
Those were reasonably successful. There are some |
formats that bombed soon after release. DCC,
CED videodiscs, something called "El cart" (1/4
inch tape in cassette like plastic boxes, not the
carts radio stations used to use), laserdisc, and
various copy management digital compression schemes
that mp3 killed. Microcassettes, though those were
mostly for answering machines.
SACD discs IIRC are compatable with regular CD players,
so the risk of manufacturing disks for a dead format
are minimal, as they could still be sold as regular CDs. |
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Tat Chan
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:29 am Post subject:
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TT wrote:
| Quote: | "MDHJWH" <mdhjwh@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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---- how many abandoned formats now?
Ayn Marx ........
Vinyl 78,45 SP and probably LP soon
8 Track
Reel to Reel
Cassette Tape
Mini Disc
DAT
Pick the above two that will generate some very harsh comments ;-)
TT "................." still no phono stage
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Don't forget
- DCC
- LaserDisc
Has the analogue cassette officially been abandoned as a format for new albums?
A few years back, one could still find new albums out on cassette in South East
Asia (not pirated copies, but official releases)
And while DAT never took off as a consumer format, isn't it still being used by
pro audio people?
Sony is still supporting MiniDisc. |
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Tat Chan
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:36 am Post subject:
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Robert Casey wrote:
| Quote: | There are some
formats that bombed soon after release. DCC,
CED videodiscs, something called "El cart" (1/4
inch tape in cassette like plastic boxes, not the
carts radio stations used to use), laserdisc
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Laserdisc did not bomb soon after release. Before the DVD format was introduced,
Laserdisc was the choice of source for home theatre enthusiasts. While Laserdisc
did not take off in Oz, it was a popular format in North America and Asia
(South East and the Far East).
<snip>
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SACD discs IIRC are compatable with regular CD players,
so the risk of manufacturing disks for a dead format
are minimal, as they could still be sold as regular CDs.
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Only SACD-CD hybrid discs can be played in regular CD players. |
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:42 am Post subject:
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:43:48 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | BTW The next format to go will be DVD-V. BluRay or a suitable derivative
will kill it off but the CD will be here for quite some time yet. Then
everything will go straight to flash cards or a derivative. Music, videos,
games etc will be paid for straight off the net
TT "have crystal ball will travel" ;-)
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While you're there with the crystal ball, do you a see a future where
there are no posts in aus.hi-fi from Phil Allison? |
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TT
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"Robert Casey" <wa2ise@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Vinyl 78,45 SP and probably LP soon
8 Track
Reel to Reel
Cassette Tape
Mini Disc
DAT
Those were reasonably successful. There are some
formats that bombed soon after release. DCC,
CED videodiscs, something called "El cart" (1/4
inch tape in cassette like plastic boxes, not the
carts radio stations used to use), laserdisc, and
various copy management digital compression schemes
that mp3 killed. Microcassettes, though those were
mostly for answering machines.
SACD discs IIRC are compatable with regular CD players,
so the risk of manufacturing disks for a dead format
are minimal, as they could still be sold as regular CDs.
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I was trying to limit my comments to just audio. Otherwise I would have
included Betamax as well, oh and 8mm video cassettes, super 8, slides,
photographs, wax cylinders, computer punch cards. 1.44 Floppies, AM radio,
Mac operating systems etc ;-)
BTW The next format to go will be DVD-V. BluRay or a suitable derivative
will kill it off but the CD will be here for quite some time yet. Then
everything will go straight to flash cards or a derivative. Music, videos,
games etc will be paid for straight off the net
TT "have crystal ball will travel" ;-) |
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Eric
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On 2004-11-20 11:42:16 +1000, sillyboy@mentalcaseinsummerhill.com said:
| Quote: | On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:43:48 +0800, "TT" <swatter@geo.net.au> wrote:
BTW The next format to go will be DVD-V. BluRay or a suitable derivative
will kill it off but the CD will be here for quite some time yet. Then
everything will go straight to flash cards or a derivative. Music, videos,
games etc will be paid for straight off the net
TT "have crystal ball will travel" ;-)
While you're there with the crystal ball, do you a see a future where
there are no posts in aus.hi-fi from Phil Allison?
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That is called a kill file. Amazing how pleasant it is here once you
use it. The future is NOW. |
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