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Carey Carlan
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:33 am Post subject:
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Had a chance to really audition the BLUE Lollipop capsules I bought on sale
a while back.
They passed.
Excellent pianist on a brand new Bösendorfer that cost more than my house.
The piano is bright and the mics are bright, but the combination didn't
hurt. I recorded low--about 3 feet off the ground, even with the side of
the piano--to tame some of that brightness, and about 8 feet out from the
curve of the side. I caught more pedal sounds than I would have liked, but
the Bosendorfer ended up sounding more like a typical Steinway, as I hoped.
The B7's (BLUE's answer to the AKG C12) made a fine compliment to solo
piano. Detail was excellent both in the clarity of the percussive note
strikes and in the gentle fade of the strings into silence.
Recording piano is hard. The dynamic range is intense and you have to
leave headroom well beyond what your meters show. A quiet room is a
necessity. This time I was lucky in recording on a miserably rainy, cold
November day. The audience was tiny. The AC was off. All was quiet.
This recording is going to stress most playback systems.
Would anyone care to hear a high bitrate MP3 sample?
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Edi Zubovic
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:09:02 GMT, Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com>
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Would anyone care to hear a high bitrate MP3 sample?
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Yes, I'd like to check it {provided it's reasonably sized for a 56K
connection, heh}. Thanks in advance!
Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia |
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plundin
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:05 pm Post subject:
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"Carey Carlan" <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
| Quote: | but the Bosendorfer ended up sounding more like a typical Steinway, as I
hoped.
This is something I get all the time and cant understand? : Especialy from |
both pianists and recording company excutives that hear a Bösendorfer for
the first time, "can You make it sound more like a steinway?" : Why the h#ll
did they choose a Bösendorfer in the first place then?
BTW : $110.000 for 9' grand seems pretty steep, comparing to one of the
studios I work for just bought a pristine 1986 Steinway mod D that had
hardly been played for a little bit less then $44.000.. (Not counting the
$5000 the piano tech charged for setting it into perfect working order..)
I'm a bit intrested about the Bottle sound as I've been thinking about
getting a pair of those with the B4 perspex sphere for my own piano
recordings.
Do You have a web-site where one could DL some sound examples?
/ptr
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Carey Carlan
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:04 pm Post subject:
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Edi Zubovic <edi.zubovic[rem this].@ri.htnet.hr> wrote in
news:fub3q05mduf1s3e27ma8ek5uje8nfud2v9@4ax.com:
| Quote: | Would anyone care to hear a high bitrate MP3 sample?
Yes, I'd like to check it {provided it's reasonably sized for a 56K
connection, heh}. Thanks in advance!
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Give me a few days to get to that. It's third in line for editing. |
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Carey Carlan
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:05 pm Post subject:
Re: First use of BLUE Lollipop B7 capsule |
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"plundin" <ptr@musiker.nu> wrote in
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"Carey Carlan" <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
but the Bosendorfer ended up sounding more like a typical Steinway,
as I hoped.
This is something I get all the time and cant understand? : Especialy
from both pianists and recording company excutives that hear a
Bösendorfer for the first time, "can You make it sound more like a
steinway?" : Why the h#ll did they choose a Bösendorfer in the first
place then?
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They didn't choose it. "B" offered the instrument for the recital for
the endorsement value. When the artist sat down, she hit a few notes and
grimaced. We all assured her that it would carry well in the somewhat
dark church acoustics.
Personal opinion: I like the bright high end. It goes with the very
clear very low notes. Overall it is a dynamic instrument.
| Quote: | BTW : $110.000 for 9' grand seems pretty steep, comparing to one of
the studios I work for just bought a pristine 1986 Steinway mod D that
had hardly been played for a little bit less then $44.000.. (Not
counting the $5000 the piano tech charged for setting it into perfect
working order..)
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I believe that's "MSRP". I don't know if it actually sells for that.
| Quote: | I'm a bit intrested about the Bottle sound as I've been thinking about
getting a pair of those with the B4 perspex sphere for my own piano
recordings.
Do You have a web-site where one could DL some sound examples?
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You'd have to ask others about that. I have just the B7 pair. |
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Bryson
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:05 pm Post subject:
Re: First use of BLUE Lollipop B7 capsule |
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Are you using these with the C451 body/amp?
They are very bright, but not ice cold like the CK1 and some 414s can be.
I like them very much on acoustic guitar for their brightness and
tight low end.
It sounded good on my voice, but my C24 is a little smoother on top,
and richer in the low end.
It wasn't good on a certain sibilant female singer, where a Senn 441
ended up being the ticket.
I'm looking fwd to trying them on piano (Yamaha DC7), where I often
use the C24.
I think I'll try then on overheads next week.
Carey Carlan wrote:
| Quote: | "plundin" <ptr@musiker.nu> wrote in
news:K6lod.9263$d5.81481@newsb.telia.net:
"Carey Carlan" <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
but the Bosendorfer ended up sounding more like a typical Steinway,
as I hoped.
This is something I get all the time and cant understand? : Especialy
from both pianists and recording company excutives that hear a
Bösendorfer for the first time, "can You make it sound more like a
steinway?" : Why the h#ll did they choose a Bösendorfer in the first
place then?
They didn't choose it. "B" offered the instrument for the recital for
the endorsement value. When the artist sat down, she hit a few notes and
grimaced. We all assured her that it would carry well in the somewhat
dark church acoustics.
Personal opinion: I like the bright high end. It goes with the very
clear very low notes. Overall it is a dynamic instrument.
BTW : $110.000 for 9' grand seems pretty steep, comparing to one of
the studios I work for just bought a pristine 1986 Steinway mod D that
had hardly been played for a little bit less then $44.000.. (Not
counting the $5000 the piano tech charged for setting it into perfect
working order..)
I believe that's "MSRP". I don't know if it actually sells for that.
I'm a bit intrested about the Bottle sound as I've been thinking about
getting a pair of those with the B4 perspex sphere for my own piano
recordings.
Do You have a web-site where one could DL some sound examples?
You'd have to ask others about that. I have just the B7 pair. |
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Paul Gitlitz
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:05 pm Post subject:
Re: First use of BLUE Lollipop B7 capsule |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:09:02 GMT, Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com>
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| Quote: | The B7's (BLUE's answer to the AKG C12) made a fine compliment to solo
piano.
I believe you mean the B6 the B7 is a darker sounding cap they only |
make special order. I have the standard B6 and it's bright and airy,
and very nice. |
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Scott Dorsey
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:05 pm Post subject:
Re: First use of BLUE Lollipop B7 capsule |
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Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote:
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They didn't choose it. "B" offered the instrument for the recital for
the endorsement value. When the artist sat down, she hit a few notes and
grimaced. We all assured her that it would carry well in the somewhat
dark church acoustics.
Personal opinion: I like the bright high end. It goes with the very
clear very low notes. Overall it is a dynamic instrument.
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It is possible to change the low end at all by completely damping the
strings for the lower notes with some old T-shirts. Don't tell your piano
tech that you did this, but it makes for much more of a Steinway sounding
low end. Unfortunately it makes the top end seem tinkly in comparison.
I suppose that could be felted down, but I'd get a real tech to do that.
| Quote: | BTW : $110.000 for 9' grand seems pretty steep, comparing to one of
the studios I work for just bought a pristine 1986 Steinway mod D that
had hardly been played for a little bit less then $44.000.. (Not
counting the $5000 the piano tech charged for setting it into perfect
working order..)
I believe that's "MSRP". I don't know if it actually sells for that.
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An antique store in Virginia Beach used to have a Bosendorfer baby grand
that had been painted a horrible shade of grey-green with very sloppy
enamel paint work. Paint all over the keys, etc. They wanted $300 and
if I'd had the space for it, I would have bought it. A decade later I
am still kicking myself for having not bought it.
--scott
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Steve King
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:05 pm Post subject:
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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An antique store in Virginia Beach used to have a Bosendorfer baby grand
that had been painted a horrible shade of grey-green with very sloppy
enamel paint work. Paint all over the keys, etc. They wanted $300 and
if I'd had the space for it, I would have bought it. A decade later I
am still kicking myself for having not bought it.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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Much more than a decade ago a studio I worked at was going out of business.
I was booked that day and couldn't attend the auction. A perfectly
wonderful recording Steinway grand went for $2000. A Neve 16x8, one of the
first to be brought into the US, went for a little under $5 IIRC. A couple
of 8x4 Neve production boards went for around $2k. And those were just a
few of the bargains. It was a dark day, when I heard the prices later. It
is still a dark day in my memory.
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Rob Reedijk
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:05 pm Post subject:
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Paul Gitlitz <paul@nospam.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:09:02 GMT, Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com
wrote:
The B7's (BLUE's answer to the AKG C12) made a fine compliment to solo
piano.
I believe you mean the B6 the B7 is a darker sounding cap they only
make special order. I have the standard B6 and it's bright and airy,
and very nice.
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Hi Paul,
I have attempted a few threads with my reflections on the B6 capsules.
One of them is recent if you care to have a look at it. I was hoping
to start some discussion on these capsules since I know I wasn't the
only one around here to recently acquire them.
No one seemed to have any followups. Perhaps you wouldn't mind having a
look at the thread and adding your thoughts?
The topic is "Let's talk Lollipop (BLUE)"
Rob R. |
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Audy
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Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:04 am Post subject:
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Carey:
Thanks to you and Bryson for sharing your impressions with us. I would
love to hear your recording when you have time to edit and post it.
I'm a BLUE Vintage Microphone Shop (which makes the Lollipop) dealer
and have some myself. Since I haven't had a chance to record a great
piano, it would be great to hear yours.
Audy O
Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns95A8C2D768B23gulfjoehotmailcom@207.69.189.191>...
| Quote: | Had a chance to really audition the BLUE Lollipop capsules I bought on sale
a while back.
They passed.
Excellent pianist on a brand new Bösendorfer that cost more than my house.
The piano is bright and the mics are bright, but the combination didn't
hurt. I recorded low--about 3 feet off the ground, even with the side of
the piano--to tame some of that brightness, and about 8 feet out from the
curve of the side. I caught more pedal sounds than I would have liked, but
the Bosendorfer ended up sounding more like a typical Steinway, as I hoped.
The B7's (BLUE's answer to the AKG C12) made a fine compliment to solo
piano. Detail was excellent both in the clarity of the percussive note
strikes and in the gentle fade of the strings into silence.
Recording piano is hard. The dynamic range is intense and you have to
leave headroom well beyond what your meters show. A quiet room is a
necessity. This time I was lucky in recording on a miserably rainy, cold
November day. The audience was tiny. The AC was off. All was quiet.
This recording is going to stress most playback systems.
Would anyone care to hear a high bitrate MP3 sample? |
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Carey Carlan
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Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject:
Re: First use of BLUE Lollipop B7 capsule |
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Bryson <redbugg@mindNOSPAMspring.com> wrote in
news:a1ood.8513$pK6.8007@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
| Quote: | Are you using these with the C451 body/amp?
They are very bright, but not ice cold like the CK1 and some 414s can
be.
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Yes, they're on my 451 bodies, and I also like the shimmer in the high end.
They have a little more flavor than my Schoeps 641's and little hotter
output. |
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Carey Carlan
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Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject:
Re: First use of BLUE Lollipop B7 capsule |
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Rob Reedijk <reedijk@hera.med.utoronto.ca> wrote in news:cntmbc$ec2$1
@news1.chem.utoronto.ca:
| Quote: | The B7's (BLUE's answer to the AKG C12) made a fine compliment to solo
piano.
I believe you mean the B6 the B7 is a darker sounding cap they only
make special order. I have the standard B6 and it's bright and airy,
and very nice.
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Quite possible. I don't have my receipt handy and BLUE's website is not
responding, so I can't verify right now.
It's the one that was on sale back at the end of summer. |
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Bryson
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Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:03 pm Post subject:
Re: First use of BLUE Lollipop B7 capsule |
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Carey Carlan wrote:
| Quote: | Rob Reedijk <reedijk@hera.med.utoronto.ca> wrote in news:cntmbc$ec2$1
@news1.chem.utoronto.ca:
The B7's (BLUE's answer to the AKG C12) made a fine compliment to solo
piano.
I believe you mean the B6 the B7 is a darker sounding cap they only
make special order. I have the standard B6 and it's bright and airy,
and very nice.
Quite possible. I don't have my receipt handy and BLUE's website is not
responding, so I can't verify right now.
It's the one that was on sale back at the end of summer.
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What are those three "remove before use" screws?
They must lock the cap in place for shipping.
I think they looked cool on...kinda nautical. |
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play-on
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Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:06 am Post subject:
Re: First use of BLUE Lollipop B7 capsule |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:17:47 GMT, Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com>
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| Quote: | Rob Reedijk <reedijk@hera.med.utoronto.ca> wrote in news:cntmbc$ec2$1
@news1.chem.utoronto.ca:
The B7's (BLUE's answer to the AKG C12) made a fine compliment to solo
piano.
I believe you mean the B6 the B7 is a darker sounding cap they only
make special order. I have the standard B6 and it's bright and airy,
and very nice.
Quite possible. I don't have my receipt handy and BLUE's website is not
responding, so I can't verify right now.
It's the one that was on sale back at the end of summer.
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I bought the last one of these they for the Neumann/Gefell M582. I
haven't had much opportunity to use it yet but in comparing it to the
M7 capsule that I also use with this mic, it seemed less detailed and
less airy than the M7. Just a different flavor.
Al |
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