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Daver
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Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject:
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It doesn't take much looking to see that there is a break pricewise.
Plasma's don't go below 35/37 inch and LCD of this size are above are still
very expensive. Therefore if you after larger sizes Plasma's are probably
the way to go.
LCD's still have the motion problem and the off centre viewing issue, not so
much from side to side but definitely in the vertical direction. Not so
good if you've got kids sitting on the floor watching TV. I can't believe
people still trot out the 10000hr figure either as I believe both
technologies are rated 60000hrs and you'll probably be looking to replace
both with the next best thing before you're half way through that.
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Barry
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Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject:
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On 2 Jul 2005 22:44:31 -0700, "AnthonyP69" <preston_anthony@hotmail.com>
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| Quote: | You seem to have already forgot to mention things like screen door
effect, poor blacks, low colour gammets, slow refresh rates and the
fact that no LCD display has a 1920x1080 resolution yet!
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Dell have a 24" LCD (Samsung panel) for less that $2000 with a good refresh
rate:
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx?c=au&id=20lcd_au&l=en&s=dhs
A couple of mates bought these for just over $1300 a couple of months ago.
Awesome screen.
| Quote: | This technology also does not follow Moore's law, and niether does
plasma.
Transparent technology is no way to move forward. Try some reflective
technology, LCOS, DLP, SXRD etc...... |
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scalpel
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Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject:
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You guys are great at hypothetical musings but ....
Have you been out and looked at screens?
The sharp Aquos 45" would presumably be the best LCD screen out at
present - yet it really is quite poor when displaying non HD images. It
still has motion artefact and is still quite prone to solarization
(clay faces) when the input signal is poor quality. Yes, it displays
slow moving pictures from a HD source beautifully, but that is a small
part of a screens display requirements.
The Dell 24" is now $1800 (if you can buy one at all due to stock
shortages), but is still only 24".
The last time I tried to hang my CRT on the wall, the house fell over.
Plasmas still offer a fantastic "thin screen" display in large sizes.
Go and have a good look at the 50" Fujitsu screen (40 series) in a well
set up display (with the ambient light sensor off) to see how good a
plasma can be. Great contrast / blacks / colour with no motion
artefacts and good signal processing to minimize noise etc.
Whilst each of the various technology offerings have pros and cons,
none is yet perfect. Yes, something will come out and kill off plasmas
(and maybe LCD's), but it isn't here now. For those who want to buy
now, it is not really useful to say that LCD's will be better in 1-2
years time.
J.
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DAVO
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Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:33 am Post subject:
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"Kissing Lettuce" <sittingbythepool@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:42C8CC44.ECDBD9E6@internode.on.net...
| Quote: | DAVO wrote:
"Mike" <laikanuki@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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I have a 46" SD plasma and 27" HD LCD. Pricewise, LCD's are a
hopeless
loser when it gets to the big sizes, plasma wins hands down.
The LCD has a nice bright picture and fine resolution, great for close
up
viewing.
SNIP
Well it appears some of you have a closed mind on this subject with
plasma
vs LCD. You are forgetting one major player in all this (SONY Corp) have
walked away from Plasma and are concentrating on LCD development. Surely
this must tell you something about the two formats.
Oh, by the way, a closed mind is like a closed book.....just a block of
wood.
Hang on books are not blocks of wood but
sheets of paper bound together in a format
one can read
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So you're telling us you can read a "closed book"??? Obviously only with a
"closed mind".
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David Johnson
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Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:59:07 +1000, RB <rblandon@tpg.com.au> wrote:
| Quote: | Kissing Lettuce wrote:
Zappy wrote:
"DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sgGxe.12584$oJ.5296@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Like I said some months ago, technology can only improve with LCD panels
and
they already have according to Hitachi. Will be worth taking a bo-peep at
for all the LCD knockers.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=1357
DAVO
Spot on Davo, Plasma is a scam.
Really?
Care to cite a reference for this assumption
I think the fact that plasma televisions are a pile of steaming crap is
a fairly well documented one (short life span, ultra high prices).
Hence them no longer being produced by companies such as Sony.
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They also have a huge power consumption, and are susceptible to burn
in.
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Justin
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Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:45 am Post subject:
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What about tube size limits? Seen many over 100cm?
"Gordon" <gor2005@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
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"Allan" <allanaws@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"acalcium" <acalcium@aol.com> wrote in message
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David Z wrote:
If it ain't broke (CRT) , don't fix it.
That's what they said about the horse and buggy.
and the world would be a better place if we still used them now...:
But really the CRT is a far better format...
Faster refresh rate, not digital Rain effects, No limited life, eg
Plasmas around 10,000 hours of use...
Technology for the sake of technology...
As David said, If it ain't broke....
As much as I no disagrement that crt projection is the way to go from the
quality point of view, to say that they have no limitations in terms of
tube life is in imo incorrect.If one has a look at various forums
relating to crt projection you see that the tubes have limited life and
while that is between 3 and 10 times greater than the average lcd bulb ,it
is still a factor that has to be considered.Most Hd plasmas are capable of
stunning still images and occasionally stunning moving pictures.Trouble is
both lcd and plasma still have to many probs and if you can put up with an
old fashioned and perhaps smaller crt ctv the you will still get better
quality than either of the new technologies.
Gordon
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Michael (Micksa) Slade
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:43:36 +1000, DVD Cases wrote:
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"DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:sgGxe.12584$oJ.5296@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Like I said some months ago, technology can only improve with LCD panels and
they already have according to Hitachi. Will be worth taking a bo-peep at
for all the LCD knockers.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=1357
DAVO
work is currently being done on improving the CRT part of
widescreen CRTs so that an 80cm TV would have a
depth of only 30cm.
Supposedly the first models will appear around XMAS 05
CD
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Could you tell us some more? Who? I presume you are talking about rear
projection sets?
Mick.
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DVD Cases
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Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject:
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"Michael (Micksa) Slade" <micksa-news@knobbits.org> wrote in message news:pan.2005.09.07.15.34.35.291898@knobbits.org...
| Quote: | On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:43:36 +1000, DVD Cases wrote:
"DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:sgGxe.12584$oJ.5296@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Like I said some months ago, technology can only improve with LCD panels and
they already have according to Hitachi. Will be worth taking a bo-peep at
for all the LCD knockers.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=1357
DAVO
work is currently being done on improving the CRT part of
widescreen CRTs so that an 80cm TV would have a
depth of only 30cm.
Supposedly the first models will appear around XMAS 05
CD
Could you tell us some more? Who? I presume you are talking about rear
projection sets?
Mick.
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Remove the -news from my email address.
http://mickworld.knobbits.org/
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no I was talking about standard CRT
I haven't seen anymore discussion on it
personally I think they need to think laterally
and use 9 small CRTS in synch lol
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Matt2 - Amstereo
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:07 am Post subject:
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nah, too hard to get colour purity the same on all screens, and no way
to join them without borders around each screen |
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Fred
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:22 am Post subject:
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Michael (Micksa) Slade wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:43:36 +1000, DVD Cases wrote:
"DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sgGxe.12584$oJ.5296@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Like I said some months ago, technology can only improve with LCD
panels and they already have according to Hitachi. Will be worth
taking a bo-peep at for all the LCD knockers.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=1357
DAVO
work is currently being done on improving the CRT part of
widescreen CRTs so that an 80cm TV would have a
depth of only 30cm.
Supposedly the first models will appear around XMAS 05
CD
Could you tell us some more? Who? I presume you are talking about rear
projection sets?
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SED sets are just over the horizon. Toshiba Canon alliance.
IIRC the first ones will be larger screens at high prices.
http://www.canon.com/technology/display/ |
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WDino
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:37 am Post subject:
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There so many LCD factories coming on line in China that there will soon be a
glut of available LCD screens for OEMs. This should see both a large drop in
price and an increase in quality due to the competition.
Michael (Micksa) Slade wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:43:36 +1000, DVD Cases wrote:
"DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:sgGxe.12584$oJ.5296@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Like I said some months ago, technology can only improve with LCD panels and
they already have according to Hitachi. Will be worth taking a bo-peep at
for all the LCD knockers.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=1357
DAVO
work is currently being done on improving the CRT part of
widescreen CRTs so that an 80cm TV would have a
depth of only 30cm.
Supposedly the first models will appear around XMAS 05
CD
Could you tell us some more? Who? I presume you are talking about rear
projection sets?
Mick. |
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Justin
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:55 am Post subject:
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"WDino" <oniDW@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | There so many LCD factories coming on line in China that there will soon
be a glut of available LCD screens for OEMs. This should see both a large
drop in price and an increase in quality due to the competition.
I heard Peter Blasina on the radio today - he's was at a technology show in |
Europe (Germany I think) & said that he saw dozens of brands of LCD screens
that he'd never seen before (neither had anyone he was with). All rebranded
OEM models no doubt, but they are forcing the prices down very quickly. |
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DVD Cases
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Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:26 pm Post subject:
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"Fred" <bluser@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3o9aacF4sfueU1@individual.net...
| Quote: | Michael (Micksa) Slade wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:43:36 +1000, DVD Cases wrote:
"DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sgGxe.12584$oJ.5296@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Like I said some months ago, technology can only improve with LCD
panels and they already have according to Hitachi. Will be worth
taking a bo-peep at for all the LCD knockers.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=1357
DAVO
work is currently being done on improving the CRT part of
widescreen CRTs so that an 80cm TV would have a
depth of only 30cm.
Supposedly the first models will appear around XMAS 05
CD
Could you tell us some more? Who? I presume you are talking about rear
projection sets?
SED sets are just over the horizon. Toshiba Canon alliance.
IIRC the first ones will be larger screens at high prices.
http://www.canon.com/technology/display/
thanks for the link Fred |
SEDs were obviously the technology
I was told about though the source
thought they were CRT they are CRT like
for mine these look to be a better option
than LCD or PLASMA
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Reg Mills Stereo
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:43 am Post subject:
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SONY NEVER MADE PLASMA: THEY BOUGHT PANELS FROM 3 DIFFERENT MANUFACTURES.
THEY FOOLED THE WORLD WITH A PRESS RELEASE STATING THEY WERE CLOSING ALL
THEIR PLASMA FACTORIES(true because they never had a plasma factory) Now all
those who read or were forwarded this info. believe that if a big company
like Sony would spend millions of dollars closing up plasma factories then
of course PLASMA CAN'T BE ANY GOOD!
The reality is that for any screen size over 37inch Plasma still outperforms
all others at any price in todays marketplace.
"RB" <rblandon@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Kissing Lettuce wrote:
Zappy wrote:
"DAVO" <davideo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sgGxe.12584$oJ.5296@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Like I said some months ago, technology can only improve with LCD
panels
and
they already have according to Hitachi. Will be worth taking a bo-peep
at
for all the LCD knockers.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=1357
DAVO
Spot on Davo, Plasma is a scam.
Really?
Care to cite a reference for this assumption
I think the fact that plasma televisions are a pile of steaming crap is
a fairly well documented one (short life span, ultra high prices).
Hence them no longer being produced by companies such as Sony. |
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