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tl
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Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:05 am Post subject:
DirecTV Tivo and high speed net off same cable? |
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Apologies if this has been covered, but I could not find the answer in
the Tivo FAQ (http://www.tivofaq.com/) or the newsgroups.
I have a DirecTV system (3 receivers and triple LNB dish). For the
receiver in my living room, I have a single coaxial cable coming out
of the wall. On this I have a splitter to allow me to attach both my
DirecTV receiver and my cable internet service. I would like to get a
DirecTV Tivo DVR for this room, and keep my cable internet modem
setup. However, I have heard that Tivo uses two tuners. Would this
be a problem for me? Any suggestions on how to make it work would be
greatly appreciated.
at
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Seth
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Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:05 am Post subject:
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"tl" <atari1980@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Apologies if this has been covered, but I could not find the answer in
the Tivo FAQ (http://www.tivofaq.com/) or the newsgroups.
I have a DirecTV system (3 receivers and triple LNB dish). For the
receiver in my living room, I have a single coaxial cable coming out
of the wall. On this I have a splitter to allow me to attach both my
DirecTV receiver and my cable internet service. I would like to get a
DirecTV Tivo DVR for this room, and keep my cable internet modem
setup. However, I have heard that Tivo uses two tuners. Would this
be a problem for me? Any suggestions on how to make it work would be
greatly appreciated.
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Your problem won't be the DTiVo and cable being on the same line, your
problem will be that you NEED to run a 2nd line for the 2nd tuner. |
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Dave Platt
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Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:02 am Post subject:
Re: DirecTV Tivo and high speed net off same cable? |
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| Quote: | Apologies if this has been covered, but I could not find the answer in
the Tivo FAQ (http://www.tivofaq.com/) or the newsgroups.
I have a DirecTV system (3 receivers and triple LNB dish). For the
receiver in my living room, I have a single coaxial cable coming out
of the wall. On this I have a splitter to allow me to attach both my
DirecTV receiver and my cable internet service.
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I presume you're diplexing the cable-TV signal into the DirecTV feed,
somewhere outside the room?
| Quote: | I would like to get a
DirecTV Tivo DVR for this room, and keep my cable internet modem
setup. However, I have heard that Tivo uses two tuners. Would this
be a problem for me? Any suggestions on how to make it work would be
greatly appreciated.
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With this setup, you'll only be able to use one of the two tuners on
the DirecTV/TiVo DVR.
To use both tuners you're going to have to run a second cable from the
dish (if it has a spare output), or install a suitable multiswitch
(fed from the dish) and then run two cables from the multiswitch to
the DVR.
The only alternative which will let you feed two DirecTV tuners from a
single cable is a "stacked" arrangement, and these are quite expensive.
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wkearney99
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Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:02 pm Post subject:
Re: DirecTV Tivo and high speed net off same cable? |
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| Quote: | I have a DirecTV system (3 receivers and triple LNB dish). For the
receiver in my living room, I have a single coaxial cable coming out
of the wall. On this I have a splitter to allow me to attach both my
DirecTV receiver and my cable internet service.
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What sort of splitter? What is the arrangement of connectors from your
cable service into the single cable feeding the current DirecTV receiver?
I'm surprised to hear someone running DirecTV and cable on the same wire and
that it works reliably.
| Quote: | I would like to get a
DirecTV Tivo DVR for this room, and keep my cable internet modem
setup. However, I have heard that Tivo uses two tuners. Would this
be a problem for me? Any suggestions on how to make it work would be
greatly appreciated.
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To use two tuners on a DirecTivo you MUST feed it two DirecTV signals.
It all depends on how you're coming down from the dish currently.
Presumably you already have a multiswitch in the setup. Where that is and
what cabling it has in/out is something you need to know. Basically the
lines pulled down from the dish go into a mutliswitch. There they're fed
out to DirecTV receivers. A regular DirecTV receiver only needs one signal
and the multiswitch takes care of switching it to the correct LNB. A
DirecTivo would need TWO such signals. This means two cables running from
the multiswitch to the DirecTivo.
It's possible to use only one cable with stackers but they're QUITE
expensive and generally not worth it. Running a second RG6 is the best
choice. When folks have enough money for a stacker they already have enough
to run a second cable and have enough sense to recognize it. For folks who
"can't" run a second cable they generally won't want to shell out for the
stackers.
The question is how many ports do you have on the multiswitch? Is one of
them free to be used for a second line to the DirecTivo? If there's not a
port free on the multiswitch then you'll need to replace it (or add to it)
in addition to running the second cable.
-Bill Kearney |
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tl
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Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject:
Re: DirecTV Tivo and high speed net off same cable? |
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"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<6GTnd.4277$D31.450@news02.roc.ny>...
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Your problem won't be the DTiVo and cable being on the same line, your
problem will be that you NEED to run a 2nd line for the 2nd tuner.
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Thanks Seth,
I called DirecTV after I read your post, and they confirmed what you
wrote. A second line would be fed from the dish to the DVR. This
would not interfere with the internet connection on the first line. I
asked if the new feed was covered in the "free" installation, and the
rep said that if it was simply a drilled hole in the wall from the
outside to the inside, it would be covered. However, if they were
going to "fish" a cable through the wall, it would not be covered, and
I would have to negotiate an installation fee with the install
company. I have no idea what that might cost.
Just posting this info in case someone else has a similar situation.
Thanks again for the advice.
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tl
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Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject:
Re: DirecTV Tivo and high speed net off same cable? |
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Thanks to both you and Seth for the feedback. Sounds like a second
feed will be required. I will call DirecTV to see if the "free
installation" of the Tivo inlcudes running an extra line. As for your
other statements:
| Quote: | I presume you're diplexing the cable-TV signal into the DirecTV feed,
somewhere outside the room?
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Sorry, I'm not sure how the outside connection is set up. Cable lines
were installed in the house before we moved in, and when they came to
set up the DirecTV, I just stood in the living room with my hands in
my pockets.
| Quote: | To use both tuners you're going to have to run a second cable from the
dish (if it has a spare output), or install a suitable multiswitch
(fed from the dish) and then run two cables from the multiswitch to
the DVR.
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The dish is a triple LNB, and I am only using two DirecTV receivers
right now. Hopefully this means that there would be an available
output on the dish for a second feed to the DTivo unit.
Thanks again,
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Seth
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:23 am Post subject:
Re: DirecTV Tivo and high speed net off same cable? |
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"tl" <atari1980@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ad5723c.0411211506.3e08e40c@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | splitter works. It is attached to the coaxial cable that comes out of
the wall, splitting the feed into two separate cables. If this helps,
the splitter is labelled "STVC 5-2050MHz" and at the top says "In/Out"
with an arrow pointing to the first output (SAT) that says "DC Pass".
The other output simply says "VHF/UHF". My DirecTV picture is clear,
and I get excellent download speeds on from my cable internet
connection (1400 down/ 230 up). I don't have any complaints, which is
why I don't want the Tivo setup to interfere with it ;)
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That's not a splitter, but rather a Diplexer. It's purpose is to
mix/seperate Satellite downlink signals (from the dish to receiver) on the
same wire as lower frequency signals (CATV/VHF/UHF).
| Quote: | Hmmm - not sure here. The dish is a triple LNB, and I only have two
DirecTV receivers active (I have a third, but it is not hooked up at
the present time). Therefore, I know I have at least one feed that is
active but hooked up to anything. I don't know anything about the
multiswitch.
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If you have the triple dish, then you probably have 4 outputs built into the
dish (or attached matrix switch). Only having 2 receivers now, you should
have 2 free ports ready for use.
| Quote: | It's possible to use only one cable with stackers but they're QUITE
expensive and generally not worth it. Running a second RG6 is the best
choice. When folks have enough money for a stacker they already have
enough
to run a second cable and have enough sense to recognize it. For folks
who
"can't" run a second cable they generally won't want to shell out for the
stackers.
Sounds like running a second feed (RG6) is the way to go, and the
DirecTV installation will cover this for no charge (but only a wall
drilling, not fishing a new cable in the wall). As long as they don't
mess with the feed that has the splitter, my internet should be fine
(I hope).
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As long as it is a straight shot, shouldn't be a problem. This isn't rocket
science. That wold be getting the actual satellites up there.
| Quote: | The question is how many ports do you have on the multiswitch? Is one of
them free to be used for a second line to the DirecTivo? If there's not
a
port free on the multiswitch then you'll need to replace it (or add to
it)
in addition to running the second cable.
I'm sure I've got at least one feed available, because I am not using
all three receivers that came with the DirecTV deal. If you're
wondering why I have an extra receiver, it is a lack of television
sets that's the problem - I only have two right now :) |
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tl
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Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:23 am Post subject:
Re: DirecTV Tivo and high speed net off same cable? |
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"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ZYudnZK5Cux4Dj3cRVn-hQ@speakeasy.net>...
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What sort of splitter? What is the arrangement of connectors from your
cable service into the single cable feeding the current DirecTV receiver?
I'm surprised to hear someone running DirecTV and cable on the same wire and
that it works reliably.
Bill, |
Thanks for the information. I'm really not up to speed on how the
splitter works. It is attached to the coaxial cable that comes out of
the wall, splitting the feed into two separate cables. If this helps,
the splitter is labelled "STVC 5-2050MHz" and at the top says "In/Out"
with an arrow pointing to the first output (SAT) that says "DC Pass".
The other output simply says "VHF/UHF". My DirecTV picture is clear,
and I get excellent download speeds on from my cable internet
connection (1400 down/ 230 up). I don't have any complaints, which is
why I don't want the Tivo setup to interfere with it ;)
| Quote: | It all depends on how you're coming down from the dish currently.
Presumably you already have a multiswitch in the setup. Where that is and
what cabling it has in/out is something you need to know. Basically the
lines pulled down from the dish go into a mutliswitch. There they're fed
out to DirecTV receivers. A regular DirecTV receiver only needs one signal
and the multiswitch takes care of switching it to the correct LNB. A
DirecTivo would need TWO such signals. This means two cables running from
the multiswitch to the DirecTivo.
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Hmmm - not sure here. The dish is a triple LNB, and I only have two
DirecTV receivers active (I have a third, but it is not hooked up at
the present time). Therefore, I know I have at least one feed that is
active but hooked up to anything. I don't know anything about the
multiswitch.
| Quote: | It's possible to use only one cable with stackers but they're QUITE
expensive and generally not worth it. Running a second RG6 is the best
choice. When folks have enough money for a stacker they already have enough
to run a second cable and have enough sense to recognize it. For folks who
"can't" run a second cable they generally won't want to shell out for the
stackers.
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Sounds like running a second feed (RG6) is the way to go, and the
DirecTV installation will cover this for no charge (but only a wall
drilling, not fishing a new cable in the wall). As long as they don't
mess with the feed that has the splitter, my internet should be fine
(I hope).
| Quote: | The question is how many ports do you have on the multiswitch? Is one of
them free to be used for a second line to the DirecTivo? If there's not a
port free on the multiswitch then you'll need to replace it (or add to it)
in addition to running the second cable.
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I'm sure I've got at least one feed available, because I am not using
all three receivers that came with the DirecTV deal. If you're
wondering why I have an extra receiver, it is a lack of television
sets that's the problem - I only have two right now :)
Thanks again
at
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