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Bob Cap
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:46 am Post subject:
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I have a friend of mine that just received a Behringer ddx-3216.
Lots of stuff in five pound sack....
What are the opinions of the guys out there about this board? Worthwhile or
a waste of money?
Serviceable gear or junk?
Thanks
Bob Cap
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Paul Braun
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:46 am Post subject:
Re: Behringer ddx 3216 |
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 00:39:35 GMT, "Bob Cap" <bob@parallel.tzo.com>
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| Quote: | I have a friend of mine that just received a Behringer ddx-3216.
Lots of stuff in five pound sack....
What are the opinions of the guys out there about this board? Worthwhile or
a waste of money?
Serviceable gear or junk?
Very serviceable, great value for the money. I've been using mine for |
several months in Monitor World at the theatre, and love it.
Also used it for our annual fundraising banquet, where I was running 8
wireless mics, a small band, and the emcee. Sweet to have snapshots
to pull up and full processing on every channel. And it was in my
price range.
Paul |
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Rupert
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Behringer ddx 3216 |
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I guess there's a lot of mentally ill people out there then by your
standards. BTW, the board is no longer availible in the U.S.
Rupert |
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bigamps
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:05 pm Post subject:
Re: Behringer ddx 3216 |
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Bob Cap wrote:
| Quote: | I have a friend of mine that just received a Behringer ddx-3216.
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Where did he get it?
In the U.S. I've seen some B stock DDX3216's available but no new ones
at the 600 USD price range. |
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Bob Cap
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:00 pm Post subject:
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I believe he bought it from ebay.
"bigamps" <bigamps@even.louder.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Bob Cap wrote:
I have a friend of mine that just received a Behringer ddx-3216.
Where did he get it?
In the U.S. I've seen some B stock DDX3216's available but no new ones at
the 600 USD price range. |
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Ron Capik
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject:
Re: Behringer ddx 3216 |
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Rupert wrote:
| Quote: | I guess there's a lot of mentally ill people out there then by your
standards. BTW, the board is no longer availible in the U.S.
Rupert
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No longer available?
I know Musician's Friend had them, but a quick
check of their web page turned up zero Behringer
digital mixers.
What's the story?
Later...
Ron Capik
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George Gleason
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:15 pm Post subject:
Re: Behringer ddx 3216 |
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Ron Capik wrote:
| Quote: | Rupert wrote:
I guess there's a lot of mentally ill people out there then by your
standards. BTW, the board is no longer availible in the U.S.
Rupert
No longer available?
I know Musician's Friend had them, but a quick
check of their web page turned up zero Behringer
digital mixers.
What's the story?
Later...
Ron Capik
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I was told by behringer they are still in production and available to |
the us market
they may be stocked out at this time though , waiting on the next
contains of them to dock
if it is critical I can contact behringer and ask current stock status
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Ron Capik
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:30 am Post subject:
Re: Behringer ddx 3216 |
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George Gleason wrote:
| Quote: | Ron Capik wrote:
...snip...
No longer available?
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What's the story?
Ron Capik
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I was told by behringer they are still in production and available to
the us market
they may be stocked out at this time though , waiting on the next
contains of them to dock
if it is critical I can contact behringer and ask current stock status
George
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Thanks George.
No, don't need one yet. With all the good buzz about these units
I had hoped to check one out, perhaps at a local "pro-sumer" store.
....just to keep up with current trends.
Guess I'll have to wait.
Later...
Ron Capik
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Phildo
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:42 am Post subject:
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"Rupert" <foodsteaks@linkline.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I guess there's a lot of mentally ill people out there then by your
standards. BTW, the board is no longer availible in the U.S.
Why get an analogue board when digital offers so much more, especially at |
the low price of the DDX3216?
We already know there are a lot of mentally ill people in the US, mostly in
that big building in Washington but that's beside the point.
If people are stupid enough to waste their money on an analogue board when
they can get all the benefits of digital, probably because they are too
scared to try something new, that's their loss.
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Rupert
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Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:29 am Post subject:
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Having worked on digital boards from the Behringer all the way up to
the DigiCo and PM5D, I still prefer the sound and feel of analog desks,
though the high end digital boards are nice to work on. And I agree the
vesatility of having all the processing built in is phenominal and the
low end boards give a ton of bang for the buck. But the summing of
mulitple channels still doesn't sound as good as many of the analog
desks out there, especially when comparing lower end digital boards to
mid-grade analog desks. The smaller boards are also slower to
negotiate due to layers of the control surface, especially for guest
ME's that aren't use to them. Lastly, analog boards don't crash. I've
had several crashes on digital boards whilst shows were in progress,
and it's a real drag to reboot though the higher end desks will keep
their current signal paths active while the reboot takes place. With
the lower end desks you're SOL. There is still a need for analog
boards, and I am not a stupid person.
Rupert |
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Arny Krueger
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Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject:
Re: Behringer ddx 3216 |
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Rupert wrote:
| Quote: | Having worked on digital boards from the Behringer all the
way up to
the DigiCo and PM5D, I still prefer the sound and feel of
analog
desks, though the high end digital boards are nice to work
on. And I
agree the vesatility of having all the processing built in
is
phenominal and the low end boards give a ton of bang for
the buck. |
Sounds like you haven't found out about scenes, yet. To get
scene memory on an analog board you have to spend a ton of
money.
| Quote: | But the summing of mulitple channels still doesn't sound
as good as
many of the analog desks out there, especially when
comparing lower
end digital boards to mid-grade analog desks.
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An old wive's tale.
| Quote: | The smaller boards are
also slower to negotiate due to layers of the control
surface, |
That's arguable. See comment about scenes.
| Quote: | especially for guest ME's that aren't use to them.
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Yes, there's a learning curve to fully exploit all the
versitility of a digital board. And that's the true and
genuine rub
| Quote: | Lastly, analog boards don't crash.
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Which is not to say that they are free of failures.
| Quote: | I've had several crashes on digital boards whilst
shows were in progress, and it's a real drag to reboot
though the
higher end desks will keep their current signal paths
active while
the reboot takes place.
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One can come amazingly close to similar catastrophies with
analog boards that are failing with problems like the
incredible-edible Mackie ribbon cable problem.
| Quote: | With the lower end desks you're SOL. There is
still a need for analog boards, and I am not a stupid
person. |
Maybe a bit hide-bound? |
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Sammy
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Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject:
Re: Behringer ddx 3216 |
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Phildo wrote:
| Quote: | If people are stupid enough to waste their money on an analogue board when
they can get all the benefits of digital, probably because they are too
scared to try something new, that's their loss.
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So tell me. We are looking into getting a new maindesk for our big hire
rig. Needs: 40 channel, 8 to 12 aux, 8 VCA (or similar feature). Are we
stupid for considering the AH ML3000 (which is around 6.5k euro
nowadays)? What digital alternative would you advise, for about the same
amount of money? DM1000? Don't think so. Small-format, not a lot of
micpre's, yes, can be augmented by spending another few 1000's for
interface-cards and micpre's (no ADA8000, please.), still stuck with 16
faders... DM2000? Certainly, but... at 20k euro it *should* compete and
win, in other words: not an option. Any other rider-friendly, usable
medium-format digital desks I've missed?
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Arny Krueger
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Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject:
Re: Behringer ddx 3216 |
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Sammy wrote:
| Quote: | Phildo wrote:
If people are stupid enough to waste their money on an
analogue
board when they can get all the benefits of digital,
probably
because they are too scared to try something new, that's
their loss.
So tell me. We are looking into getting a new maindesk for
our big
hire rig. Needs: 40 channel, 8 to 12 aux, 8 VCA (or
similar feature).
Are we stupid for considering the AH ML3000 (which is
around 6.5k euro
nowadays)? What digital alternative would you advise, for
about the
same amount of money? DM1000? Don't think so.
Small-format, not a lot
of micpre's, yes, can be augmented by spending another few
1000's for
interface-cards and micpre's (no ADA8000, please.), still
stuck with
16 faders... DM2000? Certainly, but... at 20k euro it
*should*
compete and win, in other words: not an option. Any other
rider-friendly, usable medium-format digital desks I've
missed? |
02R96 - 24 mappable faders, two layers (essentially 48
faders), 99 scenes - about half the price of a DM2000.
Comes with 16 preamps, 8 more built-in line-ins. You can
route 8 aux sends to the 8 built in Omni outs. |
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Sammy
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Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject:
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Arny Krueger wrote:
| Quote: | 02R96 - 24 mappable faders, two layers (essentially 48
faders), 99 scenes - about half the price of a DM2000.
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I know. Few gripes:
- still have to spend considerable extra money to get it up to par (say
32 micpre's, let's be modest), and then we're already at twice the ML3000.
- 02R96 seems to be marketed as a media-production console more than a
live SR-console
- a lot of techs I spoke with seem to confirm this, saying de DM1k and
DM2k are a charm to work with from a SR point-of-view, and the 02R96,
being designed by a whole other team not really so.
- True LCR panning possible, as with ML3000?
Ofcourse I see the extra's of such a desk as well: dynamics, fx
built-in. But I haven't missed this thusfar so that's not really a big
selling point. |
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Arny Krueger
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Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject:
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Sammy wrote:
| Quote: | Arny Krueger wrote:
02R96 - 24 mappable faders, two layers (essentially 48
faders), 99 scenes - about half the price of a DM2000.
I know. Few gripes:
- still have to spend considerable extra money to get it
up to par
(say 32 micpre's, let's be modest), and then we're already
at twice
the ML3000.
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Point taken, but I see a strong matter of getting what you
pay for. A digital console adds value, but you have to go
outside the analog console mental box to really benefit
from it.
| Quote: | - 02R96 seems to be marketed as a media-production
console more than a live SR-console
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I see the media-production label sticking on the DM1000.
Yamaha overtly markets it that way. Given that I was
introduced to the 02R96 in a SR/live recording context and
how I use it, that's how I see it. I suspect that the 01V
and 02R are more like general-purpose consoles as opposed to
being tailored for SR or production.
The Yamaha digital console software seems to share a ton of
stuff in common - its harder to explain how they are
different than so say how they are the same. The hardware
differences seem to be pretty obvious - what you see
controls and interfaces for on the outside of the box is the
hardware that you get.
The DM1K has a strong packaging advantage for rental gear -
its only 19" wide. But it gets that advantage at a
significant cost that we both seem to agree on - there are
only 16 faders.
| Quote: | - a lot of techs I spoke with seem to confirm this, saying
de DM1k and
DM2k are a charm to work with from a SR point-of-view, and
the 02R96,
being designed by a whole other team not really so.
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Again, I fail to see why one would think that the DM1K which
is overtly presented as a production console would be
considered to be a better SR console than the 02R96.
| Quote: | - True LCR panning possible, as with ML3000?
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There are 8 *omni* channels to pan around in. I see nothing
to keep one from working effectively in just 3 of them.
| Quote: | Of course I see the extra's of such a desk as well:
dynamics, fx
built-in. But I haven't missed this thusfar so that's not
really a big
selling point.
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One word: scenes. |
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