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Tue May 17, 2005 1:21 am Post subject:
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Hello,
I know Panasonic VCR's are the few ones that can record in SLP,
LP and SP modes. I bought one in 2003 that can record in LP speed.
I bought a second unit, a PV-V4524S which is a 2004 model. I
arrive home and install it, and surprise! I can't set the speed
to LP!! What's happening?
I visited their Web site, and saw the Panasonic PV-V4535S which
is a 2005 model, and doesn't even have Index Search!! Why do
features tend to melt like snow as years go by (at least on
Panasonic VCRs)?
I find LP quite convenient when I don't have enough tape to go
SP but still want to have quality better than SLP.
Thanks for the info.
Luc.
P.S.: I also hope VHS will never die (I read the thread about
VHS vs DVD) and I feel VHS gives smoother pictures when you
want to watch something frame-by-frame, and when you go forward/
backward. Also of course it doesn't freeze like DVD. Likewise,
I also find records (vinyl) give richer audio than CD.
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Tue May 17, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
Re: Recording in LP mode??? Why Panasonic can't anymore? |
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On 16 May 2005 13:21:47 -0700, rhubarbe0@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Hello,
I know Panasonic VCR's are the few ones that can record in SLP,
LP and SP modes. I bought one in 2003 that can record in LP speed.
I bought a second unit, a PV-V4524S which is a 2004 model. I
arrive home and install it, and surprise! I can't set the speed
to LP!! What's happening?
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**I know, I have a 1997 Panny and I prefer LP simply because it gives
you 4-hours per tape with a pretty decent quality level.
| Quote: | I visited their Web site, and saw the Panasonic PV-V4535S which
is a 2005 model, and doesn't even have Index Search!! Why do
features tend to melt like snow as years go by (at least on
Panasonic VCRs)?
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**Panasonics are made by JVC, go yell at them :) Whenever I go to an
electronics place, these clerks say: VCRs are dead! We are going to be
pushed to DVRs and DVD recorders by companies because that's where the
money is as well as exquisite video quality in this digital/Hi-Def
age. That said, when I was on vacation in CT recently, I went to a
Tweeters and picked up a Mitsubishi u748 S-VHS :)
| Quote: | I find LP quite convenient when I don't have enough tape to go
SP
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**Or even just want to have more hours per tape...
| Quote: | but still want to have quality better than SLP.
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**Exactly.
| Quote: | Thanks for the info.
Luc.
P.S.: I also hope VHS will never die (I read the thread about
VHS vs DVD) and I feel VHS gives smoother pictures when you
want to watch something frame-by-frame, and when you go forward/
backward. Also of course it doesn't freeze like DVD. Likewise,
I also find records (vinyl) give richer audio than CD.
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**Listen, I'm not delusional O_o VHS has its problems just as DVDs
do, the quality, ease, and convenience of DVDs and players easily
outstrips VHS players. VHS can't hold a candle to it. However, I also
love VHS and I think has a purpose (diff. strokes for diff. folks, of
course). For instance, for me, I make copies of stuff (mainly races on
SpeedTV), give them to my brother in law. He watches them and then he
gives them back so I can record more stuff for him.
Notice that I did not include recorders though. More below!
The programs I've recorded and burned off of the TV with my Panasonic
e85 DVD recorder are gorgeous but it also has to be the glitchiest
bastard of a recorder ever made!! Panasonic tied the recorder in with
a free TVGuide program that downloads to your recorder. The software
in the Panny can't handle any 'burps.' It will constantly freeze, toss
a U99 error or just decide to be a shit until you unplug it to reset
it. Where do the majority of the burps arise from? Yes, my
area's/Comcast's stupid TVGuide service. Oddly, it won't let me stop
using it. :-/ Weird. Also, it can't handle the slightest electricity
fluctuation. Does any of this happen with my 1997 Panny or even my
bottom-of-the-barrel 2005 JVC VCR? Nope.
I can no longer recommend the e85 but can I recommend DVD recorders?
You bet! So be prepared for finicky recorders that only like certain
types of media thrown at it and a myriad of other software funkiness
as well as glitches indigenous to certain brands. There's also the
issue of burnt media longevity as well as compatibility. Anything I
archive seriously is also archived on tape. And, still, the caliber of
the video from a good burn on a quality disc can't be beat. There is
just no comparison. So I'm a proponent of VCRs *and* DVD recorders.
kaboomie |
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Mark Arya
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Mon May 23, 2005 10:59 am Post subject:
Re: Recording in LP mode??? Why Panasonic can't anymore? |
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In article <1116274907.503444.146220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
rhubarbe0@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | I visited their Web site, and saw the Panasonic PV-V4535S which
is a 2005 model, and doesn't even have Index Search!! Why do
features tend to melt like snow as years go by (at least on
Panasonic VCRs)?
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The answer is a simple one: VCRs/VHS are a technology that's on the
verge of extinction. Manufactures simply crank out cheap models with
limited features now, selling them at what's now considered a reasonable
price(*cough* 30 bucks *cough*) for an OBSOLETE technology that's
leftover from the era of analog magnetic tape. And believe me, this
applies to all manufactures, not just Panasonic. Infact, if you read
other threads in this group, you'll see that all new VCRs are basically
complete crap made out of the cheapest parts available. You'll be lucky
to get 10 months out of one. They honestly aren't worth the measily 30
smackers they'll cost ya. You're better off just buying a DVD recorder
or Tivo for time shifting purposes these days... This is just reality
now.
| Quote: | P.S.: I also hope VHS will never die
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The death of VHS is inevitable. You can 'hope' all you want, but it's
quite clear now that VHS now has both feet in the grave. Nothing is
going to save it at this point. Infact, depending on your definition of
the word "dead", you could already label it dead. For me, it will be
OFFICIALLY dead when pre-recorded VHS is finally put to rest. And this
will likely be happening very soon. I expect most of the movie studios
will cease VHS production early to mid 2006. It had a good run, I'll
give it that. 30 years is a lot longer than similar technologies ever
lasted. But it's time to move on. It's a horribly dated technology and
simply does not belong in this digital world we now live in. VHS was
pretty good in 1984, but this is 2005 for god sakes...
| Quote: | (I read the thread about VHS vs DVD) and I feel VHS gives smoother pictures when you
want to watch something frame-by-frame, and when you go forward/
backward. Also of course it doesn't freeze like DVD. Likewise,
I also find records (vinyl) give richer audio than CD.
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Now this is the kind of stubborn, illogical arguments I hate. I've seen
some other VHS lovers like yourself use the exact same arguments. You
all conveniently point out the flaws in DVD design, while you COMPLETELY
AVOID bringing up all the problems inherent to magnetic tape. DVD is not
a perfect technology no, but neither is VHS. Let's go over just some of
the problems with VHS... Tracking can go completely whack, causing
serious playback problems. This is especially an issue with older, worn
out tapes. VHS suffers from servere wear and tear. Each time a tape is
played, it is literally taking DAMAGE. Tape crinkles, tears and
stretches. VHS deteriorates over time, even if properly stored and cared
for(15 to 20 years is the most life you can hope to get out of your
average tape). VHS can be destroyed by it's player(but i've never seen a
dvd harmed by a player). VHS tapes can be erased by stray magnetic
fields. And this is not even going into the video/audio quality issue.
Fact is, VHS is the lowest quality NTSC video system available. Even
Betamax was higher quality. Unlike DVD, it wasn't developed with
presenting movies shot on 35MM film in mind and it SHOWS BIG TIME. Oh,
and VHS takes up a lot more shelf space than DVD as well. Which in turn
also makes tv series virtually impossible. A large part of my DVD
collection is tv series, so this is very important to me. There are
other problems that VHS suffers from that DVD does not, but you get the
point... DVD is just a superior technology in every way, no matter how
you paint it. For quality, convenience, features and value for your
dollar, VHS can't even touch DVD. And this is why DVDs are now a
multi-BILLION(!) dollar business.
R.I.P VHS: 1976 - 2006
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Mark
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ric
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Mon May 23, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject:
Re: Recording in LP mode??? Why Panasonic can't anymore? |
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Mark Arya wrote:
| Quote: | And this is why DVDs are now a
multi-BILLION(!) dollar business.
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Are you perhaps in the wrong NG? This *is* the VCR NG, your
feelings about the technology notwithstanding. |
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Mark Arya
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Tue May 24, 2005 2:58 am Post subject:
Re: Recording in LP mode??? Why Panasonic can't anymore? |
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In article <42922132.3B49C558@home.com>, ric <nospam@home.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Are you perhaps in the wrong NG? This *is* the VCR NG, your
feelings about the technology notwithstanding.
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But it's more fun to spit upon a dying/dead technology. :)
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Mark
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Tue May 24, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject:
Re: Recording in LP mode??? Why Panasonic can't anymore? |
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Mark Arya wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1116274907.503444.146220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
rhubarbe0@yahoo.com wrote:
I visited their Web site, and saw the Panasonic PV-V4535S which
is a 2005 model, and doesn't even have Index Search!! Why do
features tend to melt like snow as years go by (at least on
Panasonic VCRs)?
The answer is a simple one: VCRs/VHS are a technology that's on the
verge of extinction. Manufactures simply crank out cheap models with
limited features now, selling them at what's now considered a
reasonable
price(*cough* 30 bucks *cough*) for an OBSOLETE technology that's
leftover from the era of analog magnetic tape. And believe me, this
applies to all manufactures, not just Panasonic. Infact, if you read
other threads in this group, you'll see that all new VCRs are
basically
complete crap made out of the cheapest parts available. You'll be
lucky
to get 10 months out of one. They honestly aren't worth the measily
30
smackers they'll cost ya. You're better off just buying a DVD
recorder
or Tivo for time shifting purposes these days... This is just reality
now.
P.S.: I also hope VHS will never die
The death of VHS is inevitable. You can 'hope' all you want, but it's
quite clear now that VHS now has both feet in the grave. Nothing is
going to save it at this point. Infact, depending on your definition
of
the word "dead", you could already label it dead. For me, it will be
OFFICIALLY dead when pre-recorded VHS is finally put to rest. And
this
will likely be happening very soon. I expect most of the movie
studios
will cease VHS production early to mid 2006. It had a good run, I'll
give it that. 30 years is a lot longer than similar technologies ever
lasted. But it's time to move on. It's a horribly dated technology
and
simply does not belong in this digital world we now live in. VHS was
pretty good in 1984, but this is 2005 for god sakes...
(I read the thread about VHS vs DVD) and I feel VHS gives smoother
pictures when you
want to watch something frame-by-frame, and when you go forward/
backward. Also of course it doesn't freeze like DVD. Likewise,
I also find records (vinyl) give richer audio than CD.
Now this is the kind of stubborn, illogical arguments I hate. I've
seen
some other VHS lovers like yourself use the exact same arguments. You
all conveniently point out the flaws in DVD design, while you
COMPLETELY
AVOID bringing up all the problems inherent to magnetic tape. DVD is
not
a perfect technology no, but neither is VHS. Let's go over just some
of
the problems with VHS... Tracking can go completely whack, causing
serious playback problems. This is especially an issue with older,
worn
out tapes. VHS suffers from servere wear and tear. Each time a tape
is
played, it is literally taking DAMAGE. Tape crinkles, tears and
stretches. VHS deteriorates over time, even if properly stored and
cared
for(15 to 20 years is the most life you can hope to get out of your
average tape). VHS can be destroyed by it's player(but i've never
seen a
dvd harmed by a player). VHS tapes can be erased by stray magnetic
fields. And this is not even going into the video/audio quality
issue.
Fact is, VHS is the lowest quality NTSC video system available. Even
Betamax was higher quality. Unlike DVD, it wasn't developed with
presenting movies shot on 35MM film in mind and it SHOWS BIG TIME.
Oh,
and VHS takes up a lot more shelf space than DVD as well. Which in
turn
also makes tv series virtually impossible. A large part of my DVD
collection is tv series, so this is very important to me. There are
other problems that VHS suffers from that DVD does not, but you get
the
point... DVD is just a superior technology in every way, no matter
how
you paint it. For quality, convenience, features and value for your
dollar, VHS can't even touch DVD. And this is why DVDs are now a
multi-BILLION(!) dollar business.
R.I.P VHS: 1976 - 2006
--
Mark
"Will the highways on the internet become more few?" - George W.
Bonehead |
Whooooooaaaa!
I've never seen so much determination in a point of view!!!
I won't be that drastic (and don't need to), as I know both VHS and DVD
have great
advantages, and I'm glad I can afford to have both technologies. The
thing is my
entry in DVD technology has not been fantastic. I bought my first DVD
player last
year, and it kept randomly freezing the image. Tried 2 repairs that
didn't fix. I
finally was able to trade it for another model, but it still can't read
some of my
DVDs. For recording, that's something else, but I'll probably keep
using VCRs until
I find a DVD-recorder that records on a hard drive for daily recording,
that the
technology is well-tested and prices are low enough (because now that's
true VCRs are
the lowest-priced units). However I take real care of my tapes, and I
feel my new
VCR can give good service for at least a couple years.
But there is another use for VCR, in audio. People who feel records are
top quality
available and want to stay in analog world, sometimes use VCRs instead
of standard
audio cassettes, because they give better quality of playback, while
keeping the
richness of analog records. You know, records were meant to die in
mid-80s when CDs
arrived, but they're still sought by collectors today. There should be
a reason for
that, and it's simple, quality. New audiophile vinyl LPs are being
pressed by special
companies. I bought one of these, and that's the best quality recording
I've ever
heard.
However, pre-recorded audiotapes are already about dead, as you said
for pre-recorded
VHS tapes, both for the disadvantages of the tape medium, but tapes can
still be
used for home recording and listening, as a temporary storage or to
prevent wear on
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ric
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Tue May 24, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject:
Re: Recording in LP mode??? Why Panasonic can't anymore? |
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rhubarbe0@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | You know, records were meant to die in mid-80s when CDs arrived,
but they're still sought by collectors today. There should be a
reason for that, and it's simple, quality. New audiophile vinyl
LPs are being pressed by special companies. I bought one of these,
and that's the best quality recording I've ever heard.
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You should hear some of the 45 rpm vinyl being pressed by Mobile
Fidelity Sound Labs ( http://www.mofi.com ). Simply phenomenal. |
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Mark Arya
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Wed May 25, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
Re: Recording in LP mode??? Why Panasonic can't anymore? |
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In article <1116960382.674211.150920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
rhubarbe0@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Whooooooaaaa!
I've never seen so much determination in a point of view!!!
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Not so much determination, as just sheer boredom. :)
| Quote: | I won't be that drastic (and don't need to), as I know both VHS and DVD
have great
advantages, and I'm glad I can afford to have both technologies. The
thing is my
entry in DVD technology has not been fantastic. I bought my first DVD
player last
year, and it kept randomly freezing the image.
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I've heard of other people having similar problems. This sometimes can
be an issue with the El Cheapo players(Apex, Go Video, Daewoo etc...).
It's always best to stick with trusted name brand players. But
freezing/skipping can even be a problem on good players when renting
DVDs. Although contrary to popular belief, it's usually not scratches
that are causing the playback errors, but rather just finger print
smudges from idiots who STILL haven't figured out that you hold an
optical disc by it's sides... *sigh* A good cleaning of the disc will
eliminate 90% of the problems. I've been using Panasonic DVD players
since I converted to DVD back in late 1999 and they've all played my
discs flawlessly from beginning to end(be it a rental or a new copy i
purchased). The only "freeze" of course coming from the layer change...
| Quote: | Tried 2 repairs that didn't fix. I
finally was able to trade it for another model, but it still can't read
some of my DVDs.
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Now that's unusual. What brand/model is this? I've never had a DVD not
play on my Panasonic S47.
| Quote: | For recording, that's something else, but I'll probably keep
using VCRs until
I find a DVD-recorder that records on a hard drive for daily recording,
that the
technology is well-tested and prices are low enough (because now that's
true VCRs are
the lowest-priced units).
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Well, DVD Recorders are now in the price range of a VCR back when the
VCR was king. Infact, it wasn't until DVDs hit the scene that prices on
VCRs plummeted well below the $100 mark. It's just a question of wether
you want to spend that kind of money all over again or just stick with
the VCR for recording since of course, they are now dirt cheap..
| Quote: | However I take real care of my tapes, and I feel my new
VCR can give good service for at least a couple years.
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This is one of the biggest flaws in the magnetic tape design. No matter
how well care for a tape, simply playing it will harm it. Of course if
you left it on the shelf and never bothered to watch it, it would be
fine. But what's the point of even having it if you aren't going to ever
watch it?
| Quote: | However, pre-recorded audiotapes are already about dead, as you said
for pre-recorded
VHS tapes, both for the disadvantages of the tape medium, but tapes can
still be
used for home recording and listening, as a temporary storage or to
prevent wear on
original records.
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This is true. I personally hear no difference, so CDs work just fine for
me. I know some people think vinyl LPs sound more "natural" or whatever,
but I still prefer the crystal clear digital sound CDs provide. But I
can understand why some people would want to do this.
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Thu May 26, 2005 1:51 am Post subject:
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| Quote: |
Tried 2 repairs that didn't fix. I
finally was able to trade it for another model, but it still can't read
some of my DVDs.
Now that's unusual. What brand/model is this? I've never had a DVD not
play on my Panasonic S47.
Well, the new model is a Panasonic S87, like yours, but the 5-disc |
changer. I find access to discs very fast, fast responses to remote,
and can read all discs, except one of my series that someone copied
to DVD+Rs. I think that's the problem. There are spots where it skips,
but these are always same spot, even on multiple copies my friends made
me. On computers, it skips maybe 3-4 seconds which is not bad, but on
my Panasonic, it skips about 1 minute later, and I have to rewind (or
review
back) but must not go too close to skip point. That's quite annoying.
Since you have the same Panasonic, do you know if it can read DVD+Rs,
and
if not how could I just skip the bad spots (in the file and not on the
disc) and at most, maybe 5 seconds with it?
| Quote: | However, pre-recorded audiotapes are already about dead, as you said
for pre-recorded
VHS tapes, both for the disadvantages of the tape medium, but tapes can
still be
used for home recording and listening, as a temporary storage or to
prevent wear on
original records.
This is true. I personally hear no difference, so CDs work just fine for
me. I know some people think vinyl LPs sound more "natural" or whatever,
but I still prefer the crystal clear digital sound CDs provide. But I
can understand why some people would want to do this.
You got the point in utility of tapes. They're analog media, and when |
you want to keep the richness of analog sound source, you need to keep
using
analog media. I find no utility in transferring records to CDs, because
in
that case the result becomes no better than pre-recorded CDs. The
result
is a digital approximation of a record with potential imperfections,
yielding in weak points of both vinyl and digital together. Then it's
better
crystal clear pre-recorded CD version.
The only exception would be transfering those obscure B-sides that have
never been
to LP (so never to cassettes or CDs) to CD to keep as an unwearable
digital
backup, in case the record gets lost or damaged.
As I listen to tapes, I know they wear out, so the trick is after, say
200
playbacks, buy a new tape and record the vinyl to it again. |
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Mark Arya
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Thu May 26, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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In article <1117054299.826645.197390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
rhubarbe0@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Well, the new model is a Panasonic S87, like yours, but the 5-disc
changer. I find access to discs very fast, fast responses to remote,
and can read all discs, except one of my series that someone copied
to DVD+Rs. I think that's the problem. There are spots where it skips,
but these are always same spot, even on multiple copies my friends made
me. On computers, it skips maybe 3-4 seconds which is not bad, but on
my Panasonic, it skips about 1 minute later, and I have to rewind (or
review
back) but must not go too close to skip point. That's quite annoying.
Since you have the same Panasonic, do you know if it can read DVD+Rs,
and
if not how could I just skip the bad spots (in the file and not on the
disc) and at most, maybe 5 seconds with it?
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Honestly, I'm kind of the wrong person to ask about this. I never use my
player for DVDRs. I use it solely for factory pressed discs from movie
studios. But I do know DVDRs can often be difficult, depending on the
how the disc was burned, formatted etc. However, if you're experiencing
trouble with regular DVDs, your player might be defective.
Sorry I couldn't help more. You might want to post this same question to
alt.video.dvd. Some of those guys should be able to help ya.
--
Mark
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Ian Andrew
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Mon May 30, 2005 12:45 am Post subject:
Cassette stuck in VCR |
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I have a Panasonic NV-HD 680, it stalled at the end of re-winding a tape
and shows 'F04' in the LED display.
The used manual says call my dealer :-( for all 'H' and 'F' displays.
The cassette will not eject and the tape can't be made to move.
Anyone out there know what it means? |
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S D
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Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:04 am Post subject:
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| screw off the top, cut the tape , slip out the cassette, tape the ends |
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Jaszmin
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject:
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With the top off, you can move the plastic mechanism to
eject the tape. Also, you can find out what has gone wrong
that imprisons the tape inside and release it.
mike Rice
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:04:40 -0400, forneon@webtv.net (S D) wrote:
>screw off the top, cut the tape , slip out the cassette, tape the ends |
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UCLAN
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:31 pm Post subject:
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Jaszmin wrote:
| Quote: | With the top off, you can move the plastic mechanism to
eject the tape. Also, you can find out what has gone wrong
that imprisons the tape inside and release it.
mike Rice
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:04:40 -0400, forneon@webtv.net (S D) wrote:
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