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atarileaf
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:20 am Post subject:
SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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I'm getting a new motherboard soon which will support SATA. My question is,
is it worth getting one of these faster drives for video editing purposes?
Is it a little faster than a 7200 ata drive or a lot faster? I'm going to
get a second drive to use strickly for video projects and wanted to know if
SATA is worth the extra expense or just get a second 7200 drive?
Cheers
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Guess Who
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:02 am Post subject:
Re: SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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The drives are really not faster at all. The current crop of EIDT ATA
drives can't even reach their maximum capable speeds. However, if you're
getting an SATA equipped motherboard, there may only be 1 ATA100 EIDE
connector. (The new crop of Intel 915/925 chipset based boards have 4 SATA
ports and ! EIDE ATA100 port that supports 2 devices.
You may be forced to get at lest one SATA drive if you are going to get into
video editing. It's a bad idea to use your system drive for video editing -
even if it has multiple partitions. And Putting 2 ATA100 (or similar EIDE)
drives onto the lone EIDE connector will not be good either. It's best to
have a completely separate hard drive on it's own channel for best video
capture/edit performance.
I have a 925X Express based motherboard with 1 EIDE channel and 4 SATA
ports. I have 2 x 250GB SATA drives on SATA ports 1 and 2, a Plextor SATA
12x DVD burner on SATA port 3, and a TDK DVD/CDRW drive on the lone EIDE
channel. This works well for me, with both video capture/edit, and disc to
disc copying.
What system parts are you getting (motherboard, etc)?
"atarileaf" <hickorysticks@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:SCbmd.10959$14.4505@read1.cgocable.net...
| I'm getting a new motherboard soon which will support SATA. My question
is,
| is it worth getting one of these faster drives for video editing purposes?
| Is it a little faster than a 7200 ata drive or a lot faster? I'm going to
| get a second drive to use strickly for video projects and wanted to know
if
| SATA is worth the extra expense or just get a second 7200 drive?
|
| Cheers
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atarileaf
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject:
Re: SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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I'm getting an Asus K8V-X board: this one
http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=K8V-X&langs=01
I have one ata133 drive and was thinking of getting a second one for video
editing when I learned about the SATA drives. Is that the same as Raid? This
new technology confuses me.
atarileaf
Guess Who <chippe01@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5sSdnSaSxt135QTcRVn-rA@giganews.com...
| Quote: | The drives are really not faster at all. The current crop of EIDT ATA
drives can't even reach their maximum capable speeds. However, if you're
getting an SATA equipped motherboard, there may only be 1 ATA100 EIDE
connector. (The new crop of Intel 915/925 chipset based boards have 4 SATA
ports and ! EIDE ATA100 port that supports 2 devices.
You may be forced to get at lest one SATA drive if you are going to get
into
video editing. It's a bad idea to use your system drive for video
editing -
even if it has multiple partitions. And Putting 2 ATA100 (or similar EIDE)
drives onto the lone EIDE connector will not be good either. It's best to
have a completely separate hard drive on it's own channel for best video
capture/edit performance.
I have a 925X Express based motherboard with 1 EIDE channel and 4 SATA
ports. I have 2 x 250GB SATA drives on SATA ports 1 and 2, a Plextor SATA
12x DVD burner on SATA port 3, and a TDK DVD/CDRW drive on the lone EIDE
channel. This works well for me, with both video capture/edit, and disc
to
disc copying.
What system parts are you getting (motherboard, etc)?
"atarileaf" <hickorysticks@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:SCbmd.10959$14.4505@read1.cgocable.net...
| I'm getting a new motherboard soon which will support SATA. My question
is,
| is it worth getting one of these faster drives for video editing
purposes?
| Is it a little faster than a 7200 ata drive or a lot faster? I'm going
to
| get a second drive to use strickly for video projects and wanted to know
if
| SATA is worth the extra expense or just get a second 7200 drive?
|
| Cheers
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Ken Maltby
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| Posted:
Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:09 pm Post subject:
Re: SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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| Quote: | "atarileaf" <hickorysticks@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:SCbmd.10959$14.4505@read1.cgocable.net...
| I'm getting a new motherboard soon which will support SATA. My question
is,
| is it worth getting one of these faster drives for video editing
purposes?
| Is it a little faster than a 7200 ata drive or a lot faster? I'm going
to
| get a second drive to use strickly for video projects and wanted to
know
if
| SATA is worth the extra expense or just get a second 7200 drive?
|
| Cheers
|
Guess Who <chippe01@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5sSdnSaSxt135QTcRVn-rA@giganews.com...
The drives are really not faster at all. The current crop of EIDT ATA
drives can't even reach their maximum capable speeds. However, if you're
getting an SATA equipped motherboard, there may only be 1 ATA100 EIDE
connector. (The new crop of Intel 915/925 chipset based boards have 4
SATA
ports and ! EIDE ATA100 port that supports 2 devices.
You may be forced to get at lest one SATA drive if you are going to get
into
video editing. It's a bad idea to use your system drive for video
editing -
even if it has multiple partitions. And Putting 2 ATA100 (or similar
EIDE)
drives onto the lone EIDE connector will not be good either. It's best to
have a completely separate hard drive on it's own channel for best video
capture/edit performance.
I have a 925X Express based motherboard with 1 EIDE channel and 4 SATA
ports. I have 2 x 250GB SATA drives on SATA ports 1 and 2, a Plextor
SATA
12x DVD burner on SATA port 3, and a TDK DVD/CDRW drive on the lone EIDE
channel. This works well for me, with both video capture/edit, and disc
to
disc copying.
What system parts are you getting (motherboard, etc)?
|
"atarileaf" <hickorysticks@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:JComd.11046$14.1360@read1.cgocable.net...
| Quote: | I'm getting an Asus K8V-X board: this one
http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=K8V-X&langs=01
I have one ata133 drive and was thinking of getting a second one for video
editing when I learned about the SATA drives. Is that the same as Raid?
This
new technology confuses me.
atarileaf
|
The Serial-ATA drive format costs the manufacturers less to
implement and has a potential for faster throughput, but as has
been said, that potential goes unused at present. The advantage
for the manufacturers means lower prices or more for the same
price, and that it is very likely to be supported in the future.
SATA drives are most often implemented with RAID capable
drivers, but it's not the same as RAID. RAID is a schema to
use two or more drives sharing your data as you save and retrieve
it. There are basically two approaches used (with some variations)
one way makes the data flow more efficient and therefor faster, and
the other makes your data more secure by keeping a copy on each
drive.
I use two SATA 10,000 RPM "Raptor" drives, not in RAID, and
they make my system noticeably faster than it was with my old 7200
RPM drives. I capture with a Hardware MPEG Encoder so drive
performance won't effect capture as it could (producing dropped
frames) with most other capture methods. The few "I frame only"
captures I've made, have encountered no problems.
Are they worth it? I got mine form Newegg, a new 74Gig and a
refurbished 36Gig, on sale and they have been well worth it to me.
Luck;
Ken |
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nappy-iou
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Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:52 pm Post subject:
Re: SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:6pCdnd66u8TP3wfcRVn-rw@giganews.com...
| Quote: | SATA drives are most often implemented with RAID capable
drivers, but it's not the same as RAID. RAID is a schema to
use two or more drives sharing your data as you save and retrieve
it. There are basically two approaches used (with some variations)
one way makes the data flow more efficient and therefor faster, and
the other makes your data more secure by keeping a copy on each
drive.
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Not sure what you mean here by 'not the same as RAID. RAID is raid. Once you
have more than one drive in a shared array.....There are many types of raid.
For video storage RAID 0 is the fastest, non redundant solution |
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atarileaf
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:00 am Post subject:
Re: SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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I thought most digital camcorders use firewire to transfer to and from the
pc? What is a hardware mpeg encoder and how does it differ from a firewire
card?
Basically, from the little I learned, I want to transfer my mini-dv home
movies to my pc via firewire, edit them, add some nifty transitions, music,
titles, etc, then shoot it back out to the camera, again via firewire and
from there make copies on video tape. Do I need a hardware mpeg encoder to
do this? Will my videos drop frames, suffer from artifacting, or other bad
quality problems the way I'm going to attempt to do it?
Cheers
atarileaf
Ken Maltby <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:6pCdnd66u8TP3wfcRVn-rw@giganews.com...
| Quote: | "atarileaf" <hickorysticks@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:SCbmd.10959$14.4505@read1.cgocable.net...
| I'm getting a new motherboard soon which will support SATA. My
question
is,
| is it worth getting one of these faster drives for video editing
purposes?
| Is it a little faster than a 7200 ata drive or a lot faster? I'm
going
to
| get a second drive to use strickly for video projects and wanted to
know
if
| SATA is worth the extra expense or just get a second 7200 drive?
|
| Cheers
|
Guess Who <chippe01@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5sSdnSaSxt135QTcRVn-rA@giganews.com...
The drives are really not faster at all. The current crop of EIDT ATA
drives can't even reach their maximum capable speeds. However, if
you're
getting an SATA equipped motherboard, there may only be 1 ATA100 EIDE
connector. (The new crop of Intel 915/925 chipset based boards have 4
SATA
ports and ! EIDE ATA100 port that supports 2 devices.
You may be forced to get at lest one SATA drive if you are going to get
into
video editing. It's a bad idea to use your system drive for video
editing -
even if it has multiple partitions. And Putting 2 ATA100 (or similar
EIDE)
drives onto the lone EIDE connector will not be good either. It's best
to
have a completely separate hard drive on it's own channel for best
video
capture/edit performance.
I have a 925X Express based motherboard with 1 EIDE channel and 4 SATA
ports. I have 2 x 250GB SATA drives on SATA ports 1 and 2, a Plextor
SATA
12x DVD burner on SATA port 3, and a TDK DVD/CDRW drive on the lone
EIDE
channel. This works well for me, with both video capture/edit, and
disc
to
disc copying.
What system parts are you getting (motherboard, etc)?
"atarileaf" <hickorysticks@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:JComd.11046$14.1360@read1.cgocable.net...
I'm getting an Asus K8V-X board: this one
http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=K8V-X&langs=01
I have one ata133 drive and was thinking of getting a second one for
video
editing when I learned about the SATA drives. Is that the same as Raid?
This
new technology confuses me.
atarileaf
The Serial-ATA drive format costs the manufacturers less to
implement and has a potential for faster throughput, but as has
been said, that potential goes unused at present. The advantage
for the manufacturers means lower prices or more for the same
price, and that it is very likely to be supported in the future.
SATA drives are most often implemented with RAID capable
drivers, but it's not the same as RAID. RAID is a schema to
use two or more drives sharing your data as you save and retrieve
it. There are basically two approaches used (with some variations)
one way makes the data flow more efficient and therefor faster, and
the other makes your data more secure by keeping a copy on each
drive.
I use two SATA 10,000 RPM "Raptor" drives, not in RAID, and
they make my system noticeably faster than it was with my old 7200
RPM drives. I capture with a Hardware MPEG Encoder so drive
performance won't effect capture as it could (producing dropped
frames) with most other capture methods. The few "I frame only"
captures I've made, have encountered no problems.
Are they worth it? I got mine form Newegg, a new 74Gig and a
refurbished 36Gig, on sale and they have been well worth it to me.
Luck;
Ken
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Ken Maltby
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:02 am Post subject:
Re: SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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"nappy-iou" <go_fuck@yourself.com> wrote in message
news:60smd.18014$zx1.607@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:6pCdnd66u8TP3wfcRVn-rw@giganews.com...
SATA drives are most often implemented with RAID capable
drivers, but it's not the same as RAID. RAID is a schema to
use two or more drives sharing your data as you save and retrieve
it. There are basically two approaches used (with some variations)
one way makes the data flow more efficient and therefor faster, and
the other makes your data more secure by keeping a copy on each
drive.
Not sure what you mean here by 'not the same as RAID. RAID is raid. Once
you have more than one drive in a shared array.....There are many types of
raid. For video storage RAID 0 is the fastest, non redundant solution
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SATA is not RAID. RAID is RAID. You can have your SATA
drive(s) not be in a shared array, even if the driver is RAID capable,
and called a RAID Driver. Of course that would have become
obvious if you had read (and not snipped) the rest of my post.
Ken |
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Ken Maltby
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:02 am Post subject:
Re: SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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"atarileaf" <hickorysticks@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:b1smd.11053$14.74@read1.cgocable.net...
| Quote: | I thought most digital camcorders use firewire to transfer to and from the
pc? What is a hardware mpeg encoder and how does it differ from a firewire
card?
Basically, from the little I learned, I want to transfer my mini-dv home
movies to my pc via firewire, edit them, add some nifty transitions,
music,
titles, etc, then shoot it back out to the camera, again via firewire and
from there make copies on video tape. Do I need a hardware mpeg encoder to
do this? Will my videos drop frames, suffer from artifacting, or other bad
quality problems the way I'm going to attempt to do it?
Cheers
atarileaf
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The hardware MPEG encoder I use is for Analog Video, the
standard stuff that is fed to a normal TV. MPEG is a highly
compressed digital video (DV) format, used for TV distribution
and to make DVDs. Your camcorder's DV is typically only
compressed 5:1 and maintains the complete data for each
individual frame. MPEG compression is "Lossey" in that much
unneeded data is rejected and not used, this allows much smaller
files and/or data streams.
If your source is Digital you want to capture it in a Digital way.
The "Firewire" port is the most practical way to import Digital
Video. You won't need any MPEG encoder until and unless you
are actually Authoring a DVD or preparing content for distribution.
Since your camera has already digitized and compressed your
video, it is unlikely that you could be hurt by the performance
of a healthy drive, of any speed. There are a number of factors
that can cause the problems you mention, (Just read a month's
worth of posts on this NG), and drive performance can be a
cause, but there is no way to predict any individuals results.
There are a number of posters that have great success with the
approach you describe.
Your posts didn't mention that you were just doing Digital
captures from a camcorder, until this last one.
Luck;
Ken |
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nappy-iou
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:02 am Post subject:
Re: SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"nappy-iou" <go_fuck@yourself.com> wrote in message
news:60smd.18014$zx1.607@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:6pCdnd66u8TP3wfcRVn-rw@giganews.com...
SATA drives are most often implemented with RAID capable
drivers, but it's not the same as RAID. RAID is a schema to
use two or more drives sharing your data as you save and retrieve
it. There are basically two approaches used (with some variations)
one way makes the data flow more efficient and therefor faster, and
the other makes your data more secure by keeping a copy on each
drive.
Not sure what you mean here by 'not the same as RAID. RAID is raid. Once
you have more than one drive in a shared array.....There are many types
of raid. For video storage RAID 0 is the fastest, non redundant solution
SATA is not RAID. RAID is RAID. You can have your SATA
drive(s) not be in a shared array, even if the driver is RAID capable,
and called a RAID Driver. Of course that would have become
obvious if you had read (and not snipped) the rest of my post.
Ken
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Ken.. .I did not say that SATA was RAID. You may want to read a little
more carefully. It is a
redundant array. No matter what the driver is suppsed to be or whatever..
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nappy-iou
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:02 am Post subject:
Re: SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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"atarileaf" <hickorysticks@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:b1smd.11053$14.74@read1.cgocable.net...
| Quote: | I thought most digital camcorders use firewire to transfer to and from the
pc? What is a hardware mpeg encoder and how does it differ from a firewire
card?
|
Hardware encoder takes in a stream of video and performs MPEG compression on
the stream in real time.
| Quote: | Basically, from the little I learned, I want to transfer my mini-dv home
movies to my pc via firewire, edit them, add some nifty transitions,
music,
titles, etc, then shoot it back out to the camera, again via firewire and
from there make copies on video tape. Do I need a hardware mpeg encoder to
do this?
|
Deinfately NOT. If you are only going back to DV tape or VHS. There is no
MPEG in that solution necessary.
Will my videos drop frames, suffer from artifacting, or other bad
| Quote: | quality problems the way I'm going to attempt to do it?
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No.. they'll be fine. Just use a dedicated drive for DV. ALL current hard
drives can handle the DV data rate .
| Quote: |
Cheers
atarileaf
Ken Maltby <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:6pCdnd66u8TP3wfcRVn-rw@giganews.com...
"atarileaf" <hickorysticks@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:SCbmd.10959$14.4505@read1.cgocable.net...
| I'm getting a new motherboard soon which will support SATA. My
question
is,
| is it worth getting one of these faster drives for video editing
purposes?
| Is it a little faster than a 7200 ata drive or a lot faster? I'm
going
to
| get a second drive to use strickly for video projects and wanted to
know
if
| SATA is worth the extra expense or just get a second 7200 drive?
|
| Cheers
|
Guess Who <chippe01@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5sSdnSaSxt135QTcRVn-rA@giganews.com...
The drives are really not faster at all. The current crop of EIDT ATA
drives can't even reach their maximum capable speeds. However, if
you're
getting an SATA equipped motherboard, there may only be 1 ATA100 EIDE
connector. (The new crop of Intel 915/925 chipset based boards have 4
SATA
ports and ! EIDE ATA100 port that supports 2 devices.
You may be forced to get at lest one SATA drive if you are going to
get
into
video editing. It's a bad idea to use your system drive for video
editing -
even if it has multiple partitions. And Putting 2 ATA100 (or similar
EIDE)
drives onto the lone EIDE connector will not be good either. It's best
to
have a completely separate hard drive on it's own channel for best
video
capture/edit performance.
I have a 925X Express based motherboard with 1 EIDE channel and 4 SATA
ports. I have 2 x 250GB SATA drives on SATA ports 1 and 2, a Plextor
SATA
12x DVD burner on SATA port 3, and a TDK DVD/CDRW drive on the lone
EIDE
channel. This works well for me, with both video capture/edit, and
disc
to
disc copying.
What system parts are you getting (motherboard, etc)?
"atarileaf" <hickorysticks@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:JComd.11046$14.1360@read1.cgocable.net...
I'm getting an Asus K8V-X board: this one
http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=K8V-X&langs=01
I have one ata133 drive and was thinking of getting a second one for
video
editing when I learned about the SATA drives. Is that the same as Raid?
This
new technology confuses me.
atarileaf
The Serial-ATA drive format costs the manufacturers less to
implement and has a potential for faster throughput, but as has
been said, that potential goes unused at present. The advantage
for the manufacturers means lower prices or more for the same
price, and that it is very likely to be supported in the future.
SATA drives are most often implemented with RAID capable
drivers, but it's not the same as RAID. RAID is a schema to
use two or more drives sharing your data as you save and retrieve
it. There are basically two approaches used (with some variations)
one way makes the data flow more efficient and therefor faster, and
the other makes your data more secure by keeping a copy on each
drive.
I use two SATA 10,000 RPM "Raptor" drives, not in RAID, and
they make my system noticeably faster than it was with my old 7200
RPM drives. I capture with a Hardware MPEG Encoder so drive
performance won't effect capture as it could (producing dropped
frames) with most other capture methods. The few "I frame only"
captures I've made, have encountered no problems.
Are they worth it? I got mine form Newegg, a new 74Gig and a
refurbished 36Gig, on sale and they have been well worth it to me.
Luck;
Ken
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Ken Maltby
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Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:02 am Post subject:
Re: SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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"nappy-iou" <go_fuck@yourself.com> wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"nappy-iou" <go_fuck@yourself.com> wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:6pCdnd66u8TP3wfcRVn-rw@giganews.com...
SATA drives are most often implemented with RAID capable
drivers, but it's not the same as RAID. RAID is a schema to
use two or more drives sharing your data as you save and retrieve
it. There are basically two approaches used (with some variations)
one way makes the data flow more efficient and therefor faster, and
the other makes your data more secure by keeping a copy on each
drive.
Not sure what you mean here by 'not the same as RAID. RAID is raid. Once
you have more than one drive in a shared array.....There are many types
of raid. For video storage RAID 0 is the fastest, non redundant solution
SATA is not RAID. RAID is RAID. You can have your SATA
drive(s) not be in a shared array, even if the driver is RAID capable,
and called a RAID Driver. Of course that would have become
obvious if you had read (and not snipped) the rest of my post.
Ken
Ken.. .I did not say that SATA was RAID. You may want to read a little
more carefully. It is a
redundant array. No matter what the driver is suppsed to be or whatever..
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The Original Poster said: "I have one ata133 drive and was thinking
of getting a second one for video editing when I learned about the SATA
drives. Is that the same as Raid? This new technology confuses me."
Luck;
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nappy-iou
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Re: SATA drives worth getting for video editing? |
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"nappy-iou" <go_fuck@yourself.com> wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"nappy-iou" <go_fuck@yourself.com> wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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SATA drives are most often implemented with RAID capable
drivers, but it's not the same as RAID. RAID is a schema to
use two or more drives sharing your data as you save and retrieve
it. There are basically two approaches used (with some variations)
one way makes the data flow more efficient and therefor faster, and
the other makes your data more secure by keeping a copy on each
drive.
Not sure what you mean here by 'not the same as RAID. RAID is raid.
Once you have more than one drive in a shared array.....There are many
types of raid. For video storage RAID 0 is the fastest, non redundant
solution
SATA is not RAID. RAID is RAID. You can have your SATA
drive(s) not be in a shared array, even if the driver is RAID capable,
and called a RAID Driver. Of course that would have become
obvious if you had read (and not snipped) the rest of my post.
Ken
Ken.. .I did not say that SATA was RAID. You may want to read a little
more carefully. It is a
redundant array. No matter what the driver is suppsed to be or whatever..
The Original Poster said: "I have one ata133 drive and was thinking
of getting a second one for video editing when I learned about the SATA
drives. Is that the same as Raid? This new technology confuses me."
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Not sure what you are getting at there Ken. But the original post is still
on my news reader. Thanks anyway.
Answer to the poster:
No It isn't the same as RAID. RAID stands for Redundant Array of
Inexpensive Drives. SATA stands for Serial ATA the latest replacement for
Parallel ATA. SATA is a mass storage communication protocol and hardware
layer used on individual hard drives. RAID is a software or hardware
protocol for controlling an array of drives.
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atarileaf
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Thanks Ken. I guess I should have mentioned that in the beginning. Sorry
about the confusion.
Thanks again for your help.
Atarileaf
Ken Maltby <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"atarileaf" <hickorysticks@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
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I thought most digital camcorders use firewire to transfer to and from
the
pc? What is a hardware mpeg encoder and how does it differ from a
firewire
card?
Basically, from the little I learned, I want to transfer my mini-dv home
movies to my pc via firewire, edit them, add some nifty transitions,
music,
titles, etc, then shoot it back out to the camera, again via firewire
and
from there make copies on video tape. Do I need a hardware mpeg encoder
to
do this? Will my videos drop frames, suffer from artifacting, or other
bad
quality problems the way I'm going to attempt to do it?
Cheers
atarileaf
The hardware MPEG encoder I use is for Analog Video, the
standard stuff that is fed to a normal TV. MPEG is a highly
compressed digital video (DV) format, used for TV distribution
and to make DVDs. Your camcorder's DV is typically only
compressed 5:1 and maintains the complete data for each
individual frame. MPEG compression is "Lossey" in that much
unneeded data is rejected and not used, this allows much smaller
files and/or data streams.
If your source is Digital you want to capture it in a Digital way.
The "Firewire" port is the most practical way to import Digital
Video. You won't need any MPEG encoder until and unless you
are actually Authoring a DVD or preparing content for distribution.
Since your camera has already digitized and compressed your
video, it is unlikely that you could be hurt by the performance
of a healthy drive, of any speed. There are a number of factors
that can cause the problems you mention, (Just read a month's
worth of posts on this NG), and drive performance can be a
cause, but there is no way to predict any individuals results.
There are a number of posters that have great success with the
approach you describe.
Your posts didn't mention that you were just doing Digital
captures from a camcorder, until this last one.
Luck;
Ken
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atarileaf
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I guess my best bet is still to go with an SATA drive since I can put it on
its own channel and not have it share with other IDE hard drives or CD-RW's,
DVD drives, etc.
Thanks
atarileaf
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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SATA drives are most often implemented with RAID capable
drivers, but it's not the same as RAID. RAID is a schema to
use two or more drives sharing your data as you save and retrieve
it. There are basically two approaches used (with some variations)
one way makes the data flow more efficient and therefor faster, and
the other makes your data more secure by keeping a copy on each
drive.
Not sure what you mean here by 'not the same as RAID. RAID is raid.
Once you have more than one drive in a shared array.....There are
many
types of raid. For video storage RAID 0 is the fastest, non redundant
solution
SATA is not RAID. RAID is RAID. You can have your SATA
drive(s) not be in a shared array, even if the driver is RAID capable,
and called a RAID Driver. Of course that would have become
obvious if you had read (and not snipped) the rest of my post.
Ken
Ken.. .I did not say that SATA was RAID. You may want to read a
little
more carefully. It is a
redundant array. No matter what the driver is suppsed to be or
whatever..
The Original Poster said: "I have one ata133 drive and was thinking
of getting a second one for video editing when I learned about the SATA
drives. Is that the same as Raid? This new technology confuses me."
Not sure what you are getting at there Ken. But the original post is still
on my news reader. Thanks anyway.
Answer to the poster:
No It isn't the same as RAID. RAID stands for Redundant Array of
Inexpensive Drives. SATA stands for Serial ATA the latest replacement for
Parallel ATA. SATA is a mass storage communication protocol and hardware
layer used on individual hard drives. RAID is a software or hardware
protocol for controlling an array of drives.
Luck;
Ken
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Mark M
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| Quote: | I use two SATA 10,000 RPM "Raptor" drives, not in RAID, and
they make my system noticeably faster than it was with my old 7200
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Interesting. I use WD JB series EIDE drives and the benchmarks from
storagereview.com only show about a 10% increase in hd performance with the
Raptors. And since I know that users can't even perceive a 10% increase in
overall performance, I'm surprised you can tell with just a 10% increase in
hd performance alone. That's the main reason I haven't upgraded my drives.
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