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Gareth
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:21 pm Post subject:
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Hi. Looking for some advice ....
I need recommendations for a PC-based product (USB preferred, PCI considered
if necessary) to transfer VHS cassettes onto DVD. I'd prefer to do it this
way rather than with a DVD recorder so that I can do some editting (removing
ad breaks, etc.) before burning the results to DVD.
I was looking at the Dazzle DVC90 from Pinnacle, but I've heard that it has
problems with dropped frames - anyone had any experience with this product?
Or got any recommendations for alternatives?
TIA.
Gareth.
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The Videoguy
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:10 am Post subject:
Re: VHS-to-DVD |
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Canopus ADVC Product line
http://www.canopus.us/US/products/ADVC_selection_guide/pm_advc_selection.asp
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Dave Jones
www.vdoguy.com
"Gareth" <ihatespam@yahooo.com> wrote in message
news:sn77p0tliqtpsmsd4roa5d8qor4e6b17r8@4ax.com...
| Quote: | Hi. Looking for some advice ....
I need recommendations for a PC-based product (USB preferred, PCI
considered
if necessary) to transfer VHS cassettes onto DVD. I'd prefer to do it this
way rather than with a DVD recorder so that I can do some editting
(removing
ad breaks, etc.) before burning the results to DVD.
I was looking at the Dazzle DVC90 from Pinnacle, but I've heard that it
has
problems with dropped frames - anyone had any experience with this
product?
Or got any recommendations for alternatives?
TIA.
Gareth.
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Gareth
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:10 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:20:41 GMT, "The Videoguy" <dj76116NOSPAM@swbell.net>
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Interesting - but doesn't look like the sort of "one-box" solution that
someone like me (i.e. pretty ignorant about video!) would be at home with.
Also, a little bit cheaper would be good .... ;-)
Thanks for the suggestion, though. |
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Steve King
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:10 am Post subject:
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"Gareth" <ihatespam@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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I own an ADVC 100 from Canopus. I give it four stars. Plug it into a
fire-wire port on your computer. Plug any video source into either the SVHS
or Composite jacks on the ADVC100. Plug in the audio left and right from
the video source into the audio in jacks on the ADVC100. Launch your
capture program of choice. Select the ADVC100 as capture source. Start
capturing. Hit the Play button on video source. That's it. No computer
card. No conflicts. No installation. No hassles. Cheap for what it is
and does. Incidentally, it goes the other way, too. Firewire out of
computer to any video recording source, VCR, DVD Recorder, whatever. I know
many professionals (myself included) that choose this solution to digitizing
existing video tape. A best value device.
Steve King |
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Ken Maltby
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:10 am Post subject:
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"Gareth" <ihatespam@yahooo.com> wrote in message
news:sn77p0tliqtpsmsd4roa5d8qor4e6b17r8@4ax.com...
| Quote: | Hi. Looking for some advice ....
I need recommendations for a PC-based product (USB preferred, PCI
considered
if necessary) to transfer VHS cassettes onto DVD. I'd prefer to do it this
way rather than with a DVD recorder so that I can do some editting
(removing
ad breaks, etc.) before burning the results to DVD.
I was looking at the Dazzle DVC90 from Pinnacle, but I've heard that it
has
problems with dropped frames - anyone had any experience with this
product?
Or got any recommendations for alternatives?
TIA.
Gareth.
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You might reconsider the DVD Recorder approach, just
use a DVD-RW disk and you can bring that over to your
PC for editing and authoring a new DVD-R This way you
can basically record your VHS tape unattended, without
tying up a computer. Now a days, the two hour real-time
capture, is the most time consuming phase of the VHS
conversion process. With the cost of a refurbished DVD
Recorder approaching $150 this may be a less expensive
approach also.
Luck;
Ken
P.S. There are a number of good Hardware Direct to
DVD Compliant MPEG approaches for the PC, and
frame accurate MPEG editors like VideoReDo. |
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Leonid Makarovsky
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:01 am Post subject:
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Gareth <ihatespam@yahooo.com> wrote:
: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:20:41 GMT, "The Videoguy" <dj76116NOSPAM@swbell.net>
: wrote:
:>Canopus ADVC Product line
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:>http://www.canopus.us/US/products/ADVC_selection_guide/pm_advc_selection.asp
: Interesting - but doesn't look like the sort of "one-box" solution that
: someone like me (i.e. pretty ignorant about video!) would be at home with.
: Also, a little bit cheaper would be good .... ;-)
: Thanks for the suggestion, though.
I think this is what you need:
http://www.canopus.us/US/products/MPEGPRO_EMR/pt_MPEGPRO_EMR.asp
It's USB. And even though I haven't owned any Canopus products, giving their
excellent support and word of mouth from all Canopus product owners I know, you
can't go wrong with this.
--Leonid |
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jayant
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:01 am Post subject:
Re: VHS-to-DVD |
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I prefer to capture the raw video in mpeg-2 format on the Hard Disk of
my computer and edit it before burning it to DVD+R. Unfortunately I
have not been able to find any software which would let me edit the
video from Hard Disk.
However, if one is prepared to capture on a DVD-RW medium, Sonic's
authoring software, MyDVD, which comes free with Sony DVD, also
provides functionality for capturing and editing video from a DVD
medium.
The Tutorial of MyDVD claims that after removing the unwanted
commercials in a recorded video, you can re-write the cleaned up
120-minute-video on a fresh DVD.
I have not tried this approach so far, but since I have not found any
good software for editing mpeg-2 video files from hard disk, I am
seriously considering trying out the approach mentioned in the
Tutorial.
I must add that I have a Radeon 8500 card which enables video capture.
P. Jayant |
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Leonid Makarovsky
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:01 pm Post subject:
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jayant <pjayant@sancharnet.in> wrote:
: I prefer to capture the raw video in mpeg-2 format on the Hard Disk of
: my computer and edit it before burning it to DVD+R. Unfortunately I
: have not been able to find any software which would let me edit the
: video from Hard Disk.
I have a problem with that approach 'cause I usually edit the sound. If
sound is already compressed to mpeg 2 layer 3, when you do something with the
sound, you compress it one more time.
: However, if one is prepared to capture on a DVD-RW medium, Sonic's
: authoring software, MyDVD, which comes free with Sony DVD, also
: provides functionality for capturing and editing video from a DVD
: medium.
: The Tutorial of MyDVD claims that after removing the unwanted
: commercials in a recorded video, you can re-write the cleaned up
I used to have this Sony drive with Sonic MyDVD. It was like a year ago or so.
That tool sucked big time. It didn't even have the capability to insert
chapter points. When I called support, they explained me that the only way
to insert chapter points is during raw capture (on the fly). Very helpful.
Maybe they improved now, but I am very happy with TMPGenc DVD Author.
: I have not tried this approach so far, but since I have not found any
: good software for editing mpeg-2 video files from hard disk, I am
What are you trying to do with them? Just cut and merge or more complex stuff?
--Leonid |
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Ken Maltby
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:01 pm Post subject:
Re: VHS-to-DVD |
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"jayant" <pjayant@sancharnet.in> wrote in message
news:585085c1.0411120135.36ee282e@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | I prefer to capture the raw video in mpeg-2 format on the Hard Disk of
my computer and edit it before burning it to DVD+R. Unfortunately I
have not been able to find any software which would let me edit the
video from Hard Disk.
However, if one is prepared to capture on a DVD-RW medium, Sonic's
authoring software, MyDVD, which comes free with Sony DVD, also
provides functionality for capturing and editing video from a DVD
medium.
The Tutorial of MyDVD claims that after removing the unwanted
commercials in a recorded video, you can re-write the cleaned up
120-minute-video on a fresh DVD.
I have not tried this approach so far, but since I have not found any
good software for editing mpeg-2 video files from hard disk, I am
seriously considering trying out the approach mentioned in the
Tutorial.
I must add that I have a Radeon 8500 card which enables video capture.
P. Jayant
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While I am a long time advocate of direct to DVD compliant
MPEG capture, if you are capturing with an AIW R8500DV
or other such vivo card then I'm surprised that you are getting
good results that way. Most using such equipment capture
to a less compressed format, and do their editing in that format.
Later they have to encode to DVD Compliant MPEG, which
takes a good deal of time.
A good frame accurate MPEG editor = VideoReDo at
www.VideoReDo.com Any Authoring program should
let you do GOP level ("I" frame) cuts, which normally
occurs every 1/2sec. This is usually quite good enough for
removing commercials as they use fade to black transitions,
and there would almost always be a black or near black
"I" frame to cut on. TMPGEnc DVD Author (TDA) will
include their frame accurate editor in 2005 and has always
been a much better choice than MyDVD.
www.pegasys-inc.com
Luck;
Ken |
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Eric
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:02 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | P.S. There are a number of good Hardware Direct to
DVD Compliant MPEG approaches for the PC, and
frame accurate MPEG editors like VideoReDo.
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I'm going to second the VideoReDo suggestion. I'm almost done
converting years of tapes to a small set of DVDs. I captured in Mpg2
(because that's all my board does) and edit in VideoReDo. Amazingly
fast. I can mark all the stupid 5 second gaps (or 10 minutes of
"oops, the camera was left on") that I want out and then rewrite two
hours of video in 9 minutes or less.
It gives you a wide range of navigation options you can change. I've
got mine setup so I can easily move a frame, 1 second, 10 seconds, 30
seconds, or 5 minutes.
It also cuts and joins files.
Eric |
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Gareth
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:00 pm Post subject:
Re: VHS-to-DVD |
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:26:50 -0600, "Steve King"
<steve@REMOVETHISSPAMBLOCKsteveking.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I own an ADVC 100 from Canopus. I give it four stars. Plug it into a
fire-wire port on your computer. Plug any video source into either the SVHS
or Composite jacks on the ADVC100. Plug in the audio left and right from
the video source into the audio in jacks on the ADVC100. Launch your
capture program of choice.
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Useful to know. What is your capture programme of choice, Steve? |
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Gareth
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Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:01 am Post subject:
Re: VHS-to-DVD |
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On 12 Nov 2004 08:26:20 GMT, Leonid Makarovsky <venom@cs.bu.edu> wrote:
Waaaay out of my price range, unfortunately. |
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George
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Sat Nov 13, 2004 1:01 am Post subject:
Re: VHS-to-DVD |
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Ken Maltby wrote:
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You might reconsider the DVD Recorder approach, just use a DVD-RW disk and
you can bring that over to your PC for editing and authoring a new DVD-R This
way you
can basically record your VHS tape unattended, without tying up a computer.
Now a days, the two hour real-time capture, is the most time consuming phase
of the VHS
conversion process. With the cost of a refurbished DVD Recorder approaching
$150 this may be a less expensive approach also.
Luck;
Ken
P.S. There are a number of good Hardware Direct to DVD Compliant MPEG
approaches for the PC, and frame accurate MPEG editors like VideoReDo.
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I second this advice. When I'm in a hurry I use a DVD recorder with r/w disk
to record the VHS. Then pop it in computer to edit out stuff I don't want with
Nero, without having to re-code. Process goes very fast as there is little to no
re-coding done depending if you use straight cuts or fades. Bought my combo
Sansui VHS/DVD recorder on ebay for $145 and Nero on internet for $10. Now I
use my computer with Premiere software for only the more complicated stuff that
requires more processing and effects.
George |
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Steve King
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Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:04 am Post subject:
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"Gareth" <ihatespam@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:26:50 -0600, "Steve King"
steve@REMOVETHISSPAMBLOCKsteveking.net> wrote:
I own an ADVC 100 from Canopus. I give it four stars. Plug it into a
fire-wire port on your computer. Plug any video source into either the
SVHS
or Composite jacks on the ADVC100. Plug in the audio left and right from
the video source into the audio in jacks on the ADVC100. Launch your
capture program of choice.
Useful to know. What is your capture programme of choice, Steve?
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I use Vegas 5.0 on PC at my place primarily for non-pro work and pro and
personal DVD Authoring, and I have also used the ADVC100 to digitize from
BetaMax, BetaSP, High-Eight and 3/4 inch at my editor's suite, where he uses
Final Cut Pro.
Steve King |
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jayant
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Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:03 pm Post subject:
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I too prefer to capture video with a software like VirtualDub, edit it
with a suitable software and would like to encode and author my DVDs
with TMPEG's DVD Encoder and DVD Author software respectively. But
which user-friendly software would be suitable for editing the AVI
format files saved with VirtualDub? My experience with VirtualDub when
I used it for capturing for VCDs was that if the capture file was
encoded with any codec like DivX, when it was clipped with VirtualDub
and saved, VirtualDub converted it to AVI format without any encoding
and it became huge in size when saved after editing. But VirtualDub
had a file size imitation of 1 GB (not very sure). That takes care of
just a few minutes of recording.
What I am trying to do is to get, say 6 episodes - each of 30 minutes
- of a
scientific or technical serial - episodes from Discovery or Animal
Planet
channel, clip the commercials out, leaving a net video of roughly
20-25
minutes per episode and then burn a 120 minute DVD in a multi-session
format
on DVD+R.
Is there any software suitable for editing the VirtualDub captured
files? Or
should one capture them without any encoding? Does Sonic's Vega
provide any help to edit mpeg-2 files? Which version of Vega is good
and stable for this purpose? I fully agree with comments I read here
about the quality of support provided by Sony and Sonic to customers
but unless a suitable solution for editing mpeg files is found by
talking to correspondents who have found solutions, I do not see any
way to make a DVD on my pwn.
I would appreciate if anyone would put forward some concrete
solutions.
P. Jayant |
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