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mark e
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
CD vs. DVD player |
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After many years of service, I need to replace my CD player. Can I buy a
high end audiophile DVD player, and use it for double duty as a CD player?
I don't want to sacrifice the quality of a good CD player, because I play
more music than DVDs. But it would be easier to just have one unit.
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Cyrus
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject:
Re: CD vs. DVD player |
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In article <SneRd.9485$534.5798@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
"mark e" <me@email.com> wrote:
| Quote: | After many years of service, I need to replace my CD player. Can I buy a
high end audiophile DVD player, and use it for double duty as a CD player?
I don't want to sacrifice the quality of a good CD player, because I play
more music than DVDs. But it would be easier to just have one unit.
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If you're using the digital outputs, it shouldn't matter cd or dvd
player. If you're using the analog outputs, try to find the best dac
enabled dvd player you can find. Even then the differences are
negligible. IMO I'd go with a dvd player just for the extra features. As
with anything YMMV.
--
Cyrus
*coughcasaucedoprodigynetcough* |
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Arny Krueger
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject:
Re: CD vs. DVD player |
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"mark e" <me@email.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | After many years of service, I need to replace my CD player. Can I
buy a high end audiophile DVD player, and use it for double duty as a
CD player?
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Why not get a mid-fi DVD player and enjoy!
It turns out that almost no high end DVD players are designed from scratch
by their vendors. Instead, open the expensive high-end box and you just
might find a mid-fi player with a wrap of questionably-designed el-tweako
high end sanke-oil interface circuits and overbuilt power supplies. BTW, in
many cases the audio and power for most of the player goes through the
mid-fi hardware, anyhow.
| Quote: | I don't want to sacrifice the quality of a good CD player,
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The one thing that most DVD players seem to sacrifice is the quick response
of a dedicated CD player, especially for loading discs.
| Quote: | because I play more music than DVDs. But it would be easier to just have
one unit.
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Do so, and in good health! |
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Codifus
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject:
Re: CD vs. DVD player |
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mark e wrote:
| Quote: | After many years of service, I need to replace my CD player. Can I buy a
high end audiophile DVD player, and use it for double duty as a CD player?
I don't want to sacrifice the quality of a good CD player, because I play
more music than DVDs. But it would be easier to just have one unit.
Other than the important factors of sound quality and features, the main |
thing you should think about is the interface. DVD Players tend to be
built with the assumption that you will use your TV to select tracks,
program, etc, whereas the CD player makes the best use of the internal
(usually LCD) display. Of course some DVD players can be programmed
without the TV, but the interface is usually wanting and has far fewer
features than the corresponnding CD player.
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TCS
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject:
Re: CD vs. DVD player |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:34:03 -0500, Codifus <codifus@optonline.net> wrote:
| Quote: | mark e wrote:
After many years of service, I need to replace my CD player. Can I buy a
high end audiophile DVD player, and use it for double duty as a CD player?
I don't want to sacrifice the quality of a good CD player, because I play
more music than DVDs. But it would be easier to just have one unit.
Other than the important factors of sound quality and features, the main
thing you should think about is the interface. DVD Players tend to be
built with the assumption that you will use your TV to select tracks,
program, etc, whereas the CD player makes the best use of the internal
(usually LCD) display. Of course some DVD players can be programmed
without the TV, but the interface is usually wanting and has far fewer
features than the corresponnding CD player.
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Also DVD players tend to assume that you're going to use the s/pdif output.
They'll have d/a for audio output jacks, but they are usually of low
quality and are geared for the population who have only $200 to spend
on amp and speakers, or who run it into their tv and use the tv speakers.
If you have a quality surround sound preamp, then using the s/pdif output
is the way to go. No cable distortion. |
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Stu-R
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject:
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I'd take a few of my favorite CDs and a good pair of headphones with
me and give a few DVD players a listen.
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 04:43:30 GMT, "mark e" <me@email.com> wrote:
| Quote: | After many years of service, I need to replace my CD player. Can I buy a
high end audiophile DVD player, and use it for double duty as a CD player?
I don't want to sacrifice the quality of a good CD player, because I play
more music than DVDs. But it would be easier to just have one unit.
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Arny Krueger
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject:
Re: CD vs. DVD player |
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"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutinizer@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrnd1c03k.93b.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net
| Quote: | Also DVD players tend to assume that you're going to use the s/pdif
output.
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In practice this is a pretty fair assumption, given that the likely target
is going to the digital input of a receiver or surround processor.
| Quote: | They'll have d/a for audio output jacks, but they are usually of low
quality
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Depends what you call low quality.
On one hand the top producer (Crystal, AKM, BB) volue pricing of commodity
audio DACs is so low its scary. You can find them in $39.95 DVD players.
OTOH, these turn out to be pretty darn good DACs with excellent dynamic
range, frequency response, and in-band group delay.
| Quote: | and are geared for the population who have only $200 to spend on amp and
speakers,
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If you choose carelessly, that is probabaly true. I hear that SP did a
review of a cheap DVD player. I wonder which one. Note, I'm not recommending
ultra-cheap DVD players but sound quality isn't the reason why. IME they
haven't lasted.
| Quote: | or who run it into their tv and use the tv speakers.
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Agreed that the speakers on cheap TVs can be pretty excruciating to listen
to. I use a mid fi receiver and a pair of Boston Audio CR9s, or a pair of
HD580s when I watch TV in 2-channel mode. Trouble is, I then get to hear,
all-to-well what passes for audio on the networks.
| Quote: | If you have a quality surround sound preamp, then using the s/pdif
output is the way to go. No cable distortion.
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Exactly which flavor of cable distortion might that be? |
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Codifus
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:05 am Post subject:
Re: CD vs. DVD player |
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TCS wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:34:03 -0500, Codifus <codifus@optonline.net> wrote:
mark e wrote:
After many years of service, I need to replace my CD player. Can I buy a
high end audiophile DVD player, and use it for double duty as a CD player?
I don't want to sacrifice the quality of a good CD player, because I play
more music than DVDs. But it would be easier to just have one unit.
Other than the important factors of sound quality and features, the main
thing you should think about is the interface. DVD Players tend to be
built with the assumption that you will use your TV to select tracks,
program, etc, whereas the CD player makes the best use of the internal
(usually LCD) display. Of course some DVD players can be programmed
without the TV, but the interface is usually wanting and has far fewer
features than the corresponnding CD player.
Also DVD players tend to assume that you're going to use the s/pdif output.
They'll have d/a for audio output jacks, but they are usually of low
quality and are geared for the population who have only $200 to spend
on amp and speakers, or who run it into their tv and use the tv speakers.
If you have a quality surround sound preamp, then using the s/pdif output
is the way to go. No cable distortion.
I wouldn't dismiss the audio output jacks as low fi. My budget ($85) |
Panasonic S-35 DVD player is connected to my stereo amplifier via the
audio jacks. The sound is so good on that player (via those "lo fi"
jacks) that it has become my primary CD player as well. I retired a
Denon CD changer I had previously.
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TCS
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:28 am Post subject:
Re: CD vs. DVD player |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:05:53 -0500, Codifus <codifus@optonline.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I wouldn't dismiss the audio output jacks as low fi. My budget ($85)
Panasonic S-35 DVD player is connected to my stereo amplifier via the
audio jacks. The sound is so good on that player (via those "lo fi"
jacks) that it has become my primary CD player as well. I retired a
Denon CD changer I had previously.
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My experience has been that DVD player analog outs are usually about
the same quality as a walkman. The finest a/d's that twenty
five cents will buy. |
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Codifus
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:58 am Post subject:
Re: CD vs. DVD player |
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TCS wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:05:53 -0500, Codifus <codifus@optonline.net> wrote:
I wouldn't dismiss the audio output jacks as low fi. My budget ($85)
Panasonic S-35 DVD player is connected to my stereo amplifier via the
audio jacks. The sound is so good on that player (via those "lo fi"
jacks) that it has become my primary CD player as well. I retired a
Denon CD changer I had previously.
My experience has been that DVD player analog outs are usually about
the same quality as a walkman. The finest a/d's that twenty
five cents will buy.
I think you're experience is quite a bit out of the ordinary. DVD |
players that cost $70-200 will have DACs that easily match any of the
capabilities of most decent CD player DACs. Not only that, you can even
buy DVD-A and SACD players that can perform even better for the same
amount or not much more.
CD |
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Arny Krueger
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:56 am Post subject:
Re: CD vs. DVD player |
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"Codifus" <codifus@optonline.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | TCS wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:05:53 -0500, Codifus <codifus@optonline.net
wrote:
I wouldn't dismiss the audio output jacks as low fi. My budget ($85)
Panasonic S-35 DVD player is connected to my stereo amplifier via
the audio jacks. The sound is so good on that player (via those "lo
fi" jacks) that it has become my primary CD player as well. I
retired a Denon CD changer I had previously.
My experience has been that DVD player analog outs are usually about
the same quality as a walkman. The finest a/d's that twenty
five cents will buy.
I think you're experience is quite a bit out of the ordinary.
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I don't think he has any experience at all other than listening to his
prejudices.
| Quote: | DVD players that cost $70-200 will have DACs that easily match any of the
capabilities of most decent CD player DACs.
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TCS apparently thinks that good converters still have to cost an arm and a
leg.
| Quote: | Not only that, you can
even buy DVD-A and SACD players that can perform even better for the
same amount or not much more.
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DVD-A and SACD players with > 100 dB dynamic range are well under $200. |
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Jon
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject:
Re: CD vs. DVD player |
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If you want to try an excellent budget DVD player that does CD as well as
SACD, DVD-A, MPEG, MPŁ and JPEG try the Pioneer 575. |
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Mark D. Zacharias
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject:
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"Jon" <rednose66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.02.19.11.05.45.886153@hotmail.com...
| Quote: | If you want to try an excellent budget DVD player that does CD as well as
SACD, DVD-A, MPEG, MPŁ and JPEG try the Pioneer 575.
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I think that would be the Pioneer DV-578A-S
It is supposed to have very good D-A's, and can be had for about 80.00.
Mark Z. |
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject:
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"Jon" <rednose66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.02.19.11.05.45.886153@hotmail.com...
| Quote: | If you want to try an excellent budget DVD player that does CD as well as
SACD, DVD-A, MPEG, MPŁ and JPEG try the Pioneer 575.
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Will it also do WMA?
Norm |
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Kendall
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Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:28 am Post subject:
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<normanstrong@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Jon" <rednose66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.02.19.11.05.45.886153@hotmail.com...
If you want to try an excellent budget DVD player that does CD as well
as
SACD, DVD-A, MPEG, MPŁ and JPEG try the Pioneer 575.
Will it also do WMA?
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According to this it does:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002ERY6W/002-7010212-6953651?v=glance
Features:
Universal media player compatible with DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, SACD, DVD-RW,
MP3/WMA CD, and JPEG/Fujicolor/Kodak Picture CD
Progressive-scan video output renders seamless, flicker-free images on
high-definition and HD-ready TVs
24-bit/192 kHz audio digital/analog converter (DAC); 12-bit/108 MHz video
digital/analog converter (DAC)
Coaxial and optical digital-audio outputs (Dolby/DTS 5.1 passthrough),
5.1-channel analog outputs (Dolby/DTS/DVD-Audio/SACD decoding)
Measures 16.6 x 2.1 x 9.6 inches (W x H x D)
Kendall
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