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Roy
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:00 am Post subject:
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I am using a Sony DSR-PDX10 and, so far, have done all my shooting in 16:9
DVCam mode, with much success.
Today, however, I bumped into a problem. One of my clients sent me a couple
of MiniDV tapes (as opposed to mini DVCam!)
for eventual transfer to a DVD after quite a bit of post.
But neither of my capture devices (Canopus Storm2 or direct capture on a
Sony VAIO notebook) would read anything.
I thought at first the firewire was up the chute, but a new cable produced
the same results!
Then I put a previously recorded DVCam tape in, and presto, perfect
capture!.
So, thought one: the PDX10 will not output firewire from miniDV. Tapes play
(on the flip out LCD screen) with no problem.
Then a brainwave! Transfer it (via Firewire) to our DSR300 DVCam cam. No
joy....nothing! Tried a DVcam cassette - and perfect transfer.
Can't even transfer by analog cables.
Then a penny dropped. Could these tapes supplied by my client be PAL????
Will Pal miniDVs play on NTSC cams??? Wouldn't have though so, but maybe,
Does anyone have any bright ideas? Any suggestions?
Thanks, in anticipation.
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Damir Hamberger
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:08 pm Post subject:
Re: Firewire Output |
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"Roy" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I am using a Sony DSR-PDX10 and, so far, have done all my shooting in 16:9
DVCam mode, with much success.
Then a penny dropped. Could these tapes supplied by my client be PAL????
Will Pal miniDVs play on NTSC cams??? Wouldn't have though so, but maybe,
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I have JVC PAL miniDV deck and it doesn't play NTSC tapes. It does some kind
of NTSC playback on VHS tapes, but not DV. I think that you'll have to find
a PAL playback device, then you can set your DVStorm to PAL DV, and capture.
Next problem: with Storm you can edit in PAL and NTSC but if you get in to
PAL, you stay in PAL, and if you get in to NTSC, you stay in NTSC. After you
finish your work, you must use PAL>NTSC converter to export the video to
NTSC on the tape. For conversion you can use Canopus Procoder Express. |
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Roy
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:43 pm Post subject:
Re: Firewire Output |
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Turns out the tapes WERE PAL!
Tried to play em on several consumer camcorders - obviously no luck. So,
FYI, the PDX10 will 'play' PAL tapes perfectly (on the LCD screen) but will
not communicate the data to either the firewire or AV outputs.
"Damir Hamberger" <damir_makni_ovo@hamberger.hr> wrote in message
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"Roy" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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I am using a Sony DSR-PDX10 and, so far, have done all my shooting in
16:9
DVCam mode, with much success.
Then a penny dropped. Could these tapes supplied by my client be PAL????
Will Pal miniDVs play on NTSC cams??? Wouldn't have though so, but maybe,
I have JVC PAL miniDV deck and it doesn't play NTSC tapes. It does some
kind
of NTSC playback on VHS tapes, but not DV. I think that you'll have to
find
a PAL playback device, then you can set your DVStorm to PAL DV, and
capture.
Next problem: with Storm you can edit in PAL and NTSC but if you get in to
PAL, you stay in PAL, and if you get in to NTSC, you stay in NTSC. After
you
finish your work, you must use PAL>NTSC converter to export the video to
NTSC on the tape. For conversion you can use Canopus Procoder Express.
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nappy-iou
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:53 pm Post subject:
Re: Firewire Output |
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"Roy" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Turns out the tapes WERE PAL!
Tried to play em on several consumer camcorders - obviously no luck. So,
FYI, the PDX10 will 'play' PAL tapes perfectly (on the LCD screen) but
will not communicate the data to either the firewire or AV outputs.
even if you set your capture system up to capture PAL?? |
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actorguy2001
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:00 am Post subject:
Re: Firewire Output |
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"Roy" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:<_3xkd.23234$Z7.780363@news20.bellglobal.com>...
| Quote: | I am using a Sony DSR-PDX10 and, so far, have done all my shooting in 16:9
DVCam mode, with much success.
Today, however, I bumped into a problem. One of my clients sent me a couple
of MiniDV tapes (as opposed to mini DVCam!)
for eventual transfer to a DVD after quite a bit of post.
But neither of my capture devices (Canopus Storm2 or direct capture on a
Sony VAIO notebook) would read anything.
I thought at first the firewire was up the chute, but a new cable produced
the same results!
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I had a problem like this. Turned out they recorded in LP mode.
Ven Hawkins |
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Damir Hamberger
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:01 am Post subject:
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"Roy" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Turns out the tapes WERE PAL!
Tried to play em on several consumer camcorders - obviously no luck. So,
FYI, the PDX10 will 'play' PAL tapes perfectly (on the LCD screen) but
will
not communicate the data to either the firewire or AV outputs.
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Maybe it is not fully correct - most of the newer players are playing ntsc
and pal, but this is not done by some sort of conversion or by true support
for both standards. Player will _prepare_ the video in some way and make it
acceptable for the display device. But with that signal there is no way you
can use it on any NLE. We tried several combinations and tricks, no use -
you must have the player that is native for standard that is on the tape. |
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Roy
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Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:04 am Post subject:
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When I first attempted to capture the video I assumed it had failed because
I couldn't find the capture, and I subsequently determined the tapes were
PAL. But today I inadvertantly 'discovered' the capture in a different
folder, (good old Premiere!). It was perfect, but captured at 480 x 756 and
25 fps: i.e. PAL!
Armed with the info that it had 'worked' at one time I tried again. Took a
couple of tries, but at last it did 'agree' to capture (Premiere capture).
Project was set as NTSC, but again the capture was PAL. The clips worked
perfectly well in a NTSC timeline, but just to be safe I conveted the clips
to NTSC by Procoder 2.
So: the PDX10 can play PAL as well as NTSC: and the PAL video can be
captured (at least by Premiere) into useable clips. Quality is perfect so
far as I can see, both in the Pal version, and the converted NTSC version.
Don't know whether this phenomenon extends to PD150s and above, but
certainly applies to the PDX10. Gotta say, quite a bonus, and in this
instance saved me a hell of a lot of aggrevation!
"Damir Hamberger" <damir_makni_ovo@hamberger.hr> wrote in message
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"Roy" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Turns out the tapes WERE PAL!
Tried to play em on several consumer camcorders - obviously no luck. So,
FYI, the PDX10 will 'play' PAL tapes perfectly (on the LCD screen) but
will
not communicate the data to either the firewire or AV outputs.
Maybe it is not fully correct - most of the newer players are playing ntsc
and pal, but this is not done by some sort of conversion or by true
support
for both standards. Player will _prepare_ the video in some way and make
it
acceptable for the display device. But with that signal there is no way
you
can use it on any NLE. We tried several combinations and tricks, no use -
you must have the player that is native for standard that is on the tape.
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