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ric
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Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:52 am Post subject:
Re: Digital Rights Management |
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NeoRenegade wrote:
| Quote: | Finding or building a
macrovision killer is the tough part.
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Yeah...clicking a computer mouse is tough work.
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HankG
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Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:00 pm Post subject:
Re: Digital Rights Management |
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"NeoRenegade" <napsterneorenegade@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | ric wrote:
HankG wrote:
I am hopeful that there are highly technically oriented people in this
group
who can shed light on whether current analog equipment will be able to
record analog and future digital tv after the DRM signals are
incorporated
into the video signal.
Analog equipment built today doesn't react to the digital flag that is
embedded in digital video signals. But then again, today's analog video
recorders won't record *any* digital video.
It will be a simple matter of getting a converter of the type one would
use to watch HDTV on a typical TV, but to instead route the signal
through a macrovision-killer and into your VCR. Finding or building a
macrovision killer is the tough part.
- NR
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Please elaborate. What's a macrovision killer?
HankG
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LASERandDVDfan
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Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:47 pm Post subject:
Re: Japanese VCR engineers are morons |
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| Quote: | After my experience with a JVC CD deck and a JVC stereo system, I'm
boycotting.
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That's audio, not video. Big difference. JVC is much better at building TVs,
VCRs, and DVD players than audio equipment.
And, as for video, I was talking about higher quality **professional** JVC
VCRs, not the consumer variety (which isn't so hot, IMO).
You can't buy true professional/commercial decks at any Best Buy. You can only
buy them new from authorized production/broadcast equipment dealers. -
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LASERandDVDfan
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Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:57 pm Post subject:
Re: Japanese VCR engineers are morons |
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| Quote: | What's my VCR? Sony? Hitachi? JVC?
Nope. *RCA*
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Unfortunately, RCA never designed their own VHS VCRs. Rather, they have hired
OEM sources to make VCRs for them.
If it was made in Japan, then the machine is most likely a Hitachi OEM, but
could also be a Matsushita (Panasonic) OEM if it was made in the 1970s, real
early 1980s, and the early 1990s.
Neither makes that great of a VCR.
However, Hitachi had a relatively spectacular chassis that was used in various
RCA models during the early-mid 1980s, but then shot themselves in the foot
with their late 1980s successor which were also used in the late 80s RCA decks.
The newer decks were really prone to developing mode switch problems, and
getting to it is a pain.
If it was made in Korea, then it is a Samsung OEM.
Samsung is generally junk. Their early 1990s chassis is okay, though.
There are RCA decks made in other places as well. These tend to be various
shades of awful. - Reinhart |
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b
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Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:28 am Post subject:
Re: What could be wrong with my VCR? |
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mike1cheng@yahoo.com (Mike) wrote in message news:<b9ddd551.0407271247.258a4f6e@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | Ok, I have a Panasonic, 4 Head, Hi-Fi Stero OmniVision vcr.
Its about 5...6 years old? (snip)> BUT, sometimes, when I press a button, like rewind, or play, or
record...the power shuts off.
And when I press play again, the tape has rewound like 20 seconds.
(snip)
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slack drive belts. spool idler /clutch faulty. possible dirty /worn
mode switch.
don't continue to use the deck in this state unless you want to end up
destroying your tapes. This fault is only likely to get worse. replace
the belts or get it to a service centre if you dont know how to do it.
This is not an expensive repair.
good luck,
Ben |
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b
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Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:31 am Post subject:
Re: Tape Availabiliy |
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Jack Ak <akjack@excite.com> wrote in > Since Betamax tapes are still
available, you shouldn't worry about
| Quote: | VHS tapes being scarce for at least 20 years. I can walk 3 blocks
to the nearest drugstore and purchase a Betamax tape.
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wow!
where are you based?
in the Uk and europe, new betamax tapes disappeared back in about 1988
as the format died and no new models were on general sale.
still find them in flea markets though...
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LASERandDVDfan
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Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:39 am Post subject:
Re: Tape Availabiliy |
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| Quote: | in the Uk and europe, new betamax tapes disappeared back in about 1988
as the format died and no new models were on general sale.
still find them in flea markets though...
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Betamax saw more success in North America and, thus, there are still some
stores that stock Beta cassettes.
However, this supply is dwindling due to Sony's recent cancellation of the
Betamax format.
Beta was still popular enough in North America (Canada, USA, Mexico), Asia, and
the Middle East for Sony to continue support up until 2001-2002. Parts and
repair support are still available, but no new tapes and no new VCRs are being
made. - Reinhart |
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NeoRenegade
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Sat Aug 07, 2004 3:54 pm Post subject:
Re: Digital Rights Management |
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HankG wrote:
| Quote: | "NeoRenegade" <napsterneorenegade@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fDEQc.39426$DP2.651502@wagner.videotron.net...
ric wrote:
HankG wrote:
I am hopeful that there are highly technically oriented people in this
group
who can shed light on whether current analog equipment will be able to
record analog and future digital tv after the DRM signals are
incorporated
into the video signal.
Analog equipment built today doesn't react to the digital flag that is
embedded in digital video signals. But then again, today's analog video
recorders won't record *any* digital video.
It will be a simple matter of getting a converter of the type one would
use to watch HDTV on a typical TV, but to instead route the signal
through a macrovision-killer and into your VCR. Finding or building a
macrovision killer is the tough part.
- NR
Please elaborate. What's a macrovision killer?
HankG
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Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.734 / Virus Database: 488 - Release Date: 8/4/2004
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A macrovision killer is an electronic device that filters out the
MacroVision signal from a video broadcast or recording so that it may be
recorded to a VCR.
- NR |
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NeoRenegade
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Sat Aug 07, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Japanese VCR engineers are morons |
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LASERandDVDfan wrote:
| Quote: | What's my VCR? Sony? Hitachi? JVC?
Nope. *RCA*
Unfortunately, RCA never designed their own VHS VCRs. Rather, they have hired
OEM sources to make VCRs for them.
If it was made in Japan, then the machine is most likely a Hitachi OEM, but
could also be a Matsushita (Panasonic) OEM if it was made in the 1970s, real
early 1980s, and the early 1990s.
Neither makes that great of a VCR.
However, Hitachi had a relatively spectacular chassis that was used in various
RCA models during the early-mid 1980s, but then shot themselves in the foot
with their late 1980s successor which were also used in the late 80s RCA decks.
The newer decks were really prone to developing mode switch problems, and
getting to it is a pain.
If it was made in Korea, then it is a Samsung OEM.
Samsung is generally junk. Their early 1990s chassis is okay, though.
There are RCA decks made in other places as well. These tend to be various
shades of awful. - Reinhart
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It was bought between 2 and 4 years ago; I don't quite remember when.
- NR |
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Ron
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Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:37 am Post subject:
Help with Sony SLV-R5UC caps - FIXED |
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Just in case someone else is running into the same
problem with their R5...
Symptoms were as follows:
S-EP and N-EP recording ok.
S-EP and N-EP playback ok.
S-SP and N-SP recording ok.
S-SP and N-SP playback would be ok at first, but then
started to become gradually unwatchable after the unit
was on from several minutes to a couple of hours or so.
Unplugging the VCR for a while would temporarily fix the
problem (several months ago), but over the last few weeks,
this helped less and less, and finally it didn't help at all any
longer.
Changing those infamous ELNA electrolytic caps on several
other boards in addition to the ones in the power supply
wasn't the solution this time. However, it did turn out to
be a capacitor on the Head Amp board (RP-76).
I had already checked all caps previously from the conductor
side, and they were all ok, but this one (C240) was a surface
mount cap and couldn't be reached or seen without
unsoldering the shielding first.
It had leaked and partly dissolved some of the traces around,
so it required some "micro-surgery" to rewire a couple of diodes
and transistors, and to scrape off the mess it had created.
After replacing it with a recycled, run-of-the-mill 10V/22uF cap,
this R5 is working again like a charm!! -Ron |
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Ron
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Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:40 am Post subject:
Help with Sony SLV-R5UC caps - FIXED |
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Just in case someone else is running into the same
problem with their R5...
Symptoms were as follows:
S-EP and N-EP recording ok.
S-EP and N-EP playback ok.
S-SP and N-SP recording ok.
S-SP and N-SP playback would be ok at first, but then
started to become gradually unwatchable after the unit
was on from several minutes to a couple of hours or so.
Unplugging the VCR for a while would temporarily fix the
problem, but over the last few days, this helped less and
less, and finally it didn't help at all any longer.
Changing those infamous ELNA electrolytic caps on several
other boards in addition to the ones in the power supply
wasn't the solution this time. However, it did turn out to
be a bad capacitor on the Head Amp board (RP-76).
I had already checked all caps previously from the conductor
side, and they were all ok, but this one (C240) was a surface
mount cap and couldn't be reached or seen without
unsoldering the shielding first.
It had leaked and partly dissolved some of the traces around,
so it required some "micro-surgery" to rewire a couple of diodes
and transistors, and to scrape off the mess it had created.
After replacing it with a recycled, run-of-the-mill 10V/22uF cap,
this R5 is working again like a charm!! -Ron |
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sherwood
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Sun Aug 08, 2004 8:21 am Post subject:
Re: Japanese VCR engineers are morons |
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| Quote: | I guess in Japan no one loses remotes and they never
break.
There you go again, with a general and absolute claim.
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It MUST be true or they would have made some changes along the way, like
keeping important buttons ON the deck (doh!!)
| Quote: | Our company sold so many Panasonic VCR's I couldn't count them.
So that's why you have such a bias for Panasonic products. The
company that
you work for is a dealer.
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Yeah but they also sold some Sony, a bit of JVC in the early days,
Hitachi, RCA and a few others. Hell, we even got rid of a few
Selectavison players and still remember the infamous 1/4" format that
bombed back in the early 1980s.
| Quote: | But, the thing is, once you replace the caps, the VCR ends up being
all right.
Also, not all models were affected, only models that used Elna
LongLife
capacitors in the power supplies.
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I wasn't referring to the power supplies, although every one of our 10
SVO150s took a dump. We had a Sony Hi-8 editor that had a couple hundred
bad caps, took $2,000+ to get it repaired. I was told a lot of the
broadcast decks from the 1990s had the same issues. And guess who pays -
no, not Sony, it's the customer that gets raped. Typical from Sony. Look
at the POS 8mm format they gave the world, one of the worst formats ever
invented. Then they had the balls to screw and mislead more consumers by
bringing out a "digital" version. My God, is their no lower level that
they would stoop to? I guess they were pissed that Panasonic/JVC etc.
kicked their ass with the VHS-C format, i.e. "Yes, it's tapes WILL play
in your VCR. Gotta love that campaign, one of the best ever in consumer
electronics. YEARS after that campaign ended we still had customers
coming in to our facility asking for an "8mm adaptor" to play their
tapes on their VHS VCR. We never laughed so hard!!! Yep, that's what
they deserve for getting suckered into the 8 format.
| Quote: | Sony pinch roller for PVW-2800: $65. Panasonic PR for broadcast deck:
$28.00
You specified a BetacamSP VCR for the Sony, but you just say
"broadcast deck"
for the Panasonic. This means that you could be citing a price for a
part used
in a Panasonic S-VHS deck, for all I would know.
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The MII series is what I was referring to. But compare the price of ANY
PR's between Sony and Panasonic and see who is screwing who.
| Quote: | Sony manual for 2800: $1100+ (and in all kinds of inconvenient
sections). Panasonic manual for broadcast VCR: $175.00
Models, please?
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I mentioned the Sony PVW/UVW series manuals as being beyond outrageous.
Broadcast MII manuals were down under $200, 1/5th of Sony's rip-off
price.
| Quote: | Speaking of other brands - I think it was Phillips that came out with
a
DVD stand-alone recorder in which to JUST simply change the recording
speed you had to push a sequence of 16 buttons on the remote
control!!!!!
So, now you understand that it's not just the Japanese?
You do know that Philips is Dutch, yes? - Reinhart
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Ya, ya, I know, but heck, they all look the same don't they?
SW |
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NeoRenegade
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Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:55 pm Post subject:
Re: Japanese VCR engineers are morons |
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sherwood wrote:
| Quote: | I guess in Japan no one loses remotes and they never
break.
There you go again, with a general and absolute claim.
It MUST be true or they would have made some changes along the way, like
keeping important buttons ON the deck (doh!!)
Our company sold so many Panasonic VCR's I couldn't count them.
So that's why you have such a bias for Panasonic products. The
company that
you work for is a dealer.
Yeah but they also sold some Sony, a bit of JVC in the early days,
Hitachi, RCA and a few others. Hell, we even got rid of a few
Selectavison players and still remember the infamous 1/4" format that
bombed back in the early 1980s.
But, the thing is, once you replace the caps, the VCR ends up being
all right.
Also, not all models were affected, only models that used Elna
LongLife
capacitors in the power supplies.
I wasn't referring to the power supplies, although every one of our 10
SVO150s took a dump. We had a Sony Hi-8 editor that had a couple hundred
bad caps, took $2,000+ to get it repaired. I was told a lot of the
broadcast decks from the 1990s had the same issues. And guess who pays -
no, not Sony, it's the customer that gets raped. Typical from Sony. Look
at the POS 8mm format they gave the world, one of the worst formats ever
invented. Then they had the balls to screw and mislead more consumers by
bringing out a "digital" version. My God, is their no lower level that
they would stoop to? I guess they were pissed that Panasonic/JVC etc.
kicked their ass with the VHS-C format, i.e. "Yes, it's tapes WILL play
in your VCR. Gotta love that campaign, one of the best ever in consumer
electronics. YEARS after that campaign ended we still had customers
coming in to our facility asking for an "8mm adaptor" to play their
tapes on their VHS VCR. We never laughed so hard!!! Yep, that's what
they deserve for getting suckered into the 8 format.
Sony pinch roller for PVW-2800: $65. Panasonic PR for broadcast deck:
$28.00
You specified a BetacamSP VCR for the Sony, but you just say
"broadcast deck"
for the Panasonic. This means that you could be citing a price for a
part used
in a Panasonic S-VHS deck, for all I would know.
The MII series is what I was referring to. But compare the price of ANY
PR's between Sony and Panasonic and see who is screwing who.
Sony manual for 2800: $1100+ (and in all kinds of inconvenient
sections). Panasonic manual for broadcast VCR: $175.00
Models, please?
I mentioned the Sony PVW/UVW series manuals as being beyond outrageous.
Broadcast MII manuals were down under $200, 1/5th of Sony's rip-off
price.
Speaking of other brands - I think it was Phillips that came out with
a
DVD stand-alone recorder in which to JUST simply change the recording
speed you had to push a sequence of 16 buttons on the remote
control!!!!!
So, now you understand that it's not just the Japanese?
You do know that Philips is Dutch, yes? - Reinhart
Ya, ya, I know, but heck, they all look the same don't they?
SW
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A couple *hundred* bad caps? There are consumer devices out there that
*need* hundreds of caps in their circuitry?! Ya learn something new
every day.
- NR |
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NeoRenegade
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| Posted:
Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:57 pm Post subject:
Re: Help with Sony SLV-R5UC caps - FIXED |
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Ron wrote:
| Quote: | Just in case someone else is running into the same
problem with their R5...
Symptoms were as follows:
S-EP and N-EP recording ok.
S-EP and N-EP playback ok.
S-SP and N-SP recording ok.
S-SP and N-SP playback would be ok at first, but then
started to become gradually unwatchable after the unit
was on from several minutes to a couple of hours or so.
Unplugging the VCR for a while would temporarily fix the
problem (several months ago), but over the last few weeks,
this helped less and less, and finally it didn't help at all any
longer.
Changing those infamous ELNA electrolytic caps on several
other boards in addition to the ones in the power supply
wasn't the solution this time. However, it did turn out to
be a capacitor on the Head Amp board (RP-76).
I had already checked all caps previously from the conductor
side, and they were all ok, but this one (C240) was a surface
mount cap and couldn't be reached or seen without
unsoldering the shielding first.
It had leaked and partly dissolved some of the traces around,
so it required some "micro-surgery" to rewire a couple of diodes
and transistors, and to scrape off the mess it had created.
After replacing it with a recycled, run-of-the-mill 10V/22uF cap,
this R5 is working again like a charm!! -Ron
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I'm happy to hear that. Yay for electronics wiz-kids! ;)
- NR |
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Tony Stanley
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| Posted:
Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:57 pm Post subject:
Re: Looking for an old (no Macrovision) VCR |
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"GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:cdh7gn$u2m$1@news.xmission.com...
| Quote: | In article <10fmippn621oec4@corp.supernews.com>, "Joseph S. Powell, III"
nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
I think R.J. was actually looking for a pre-Macrovision VCR, and this
would
have to be from the latter-80's or older...I don't think any VCR's
manufactured in the 90's are without it.
clueless
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Macrovision was made for old VCRs, but gradually some manufacturers made
improvements in the AGC circuits that made them able to cope with the
macrovision interference so you could record tape-tape. However after some
time macrovision caught onto this and eventually it became illegal (or at
least dodgy) to make or disribute products particularily for the purpose of
breaking copy protection. Manufacturers then had to build in macrovision
sensitivity back into the recording ciruits, but some can be neutralised by
service menus or hidden codes, like the regional coding on DVD. I vaguely
remember hearing some laws were passed in the EU, but can't be sure.
Digital recorders (of analogue signals) have no sensitivity to standard
macrovision interference atall and must actually detect the macrovision
signal and refuse to record it.
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Tony Stanley ++Always Learning++ |
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