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Doug Warner
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:09 am Post subject:
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On one screen shot in the Humax Tivo/DVD recorder ad, it showed the
recording screen with the status line: "60 min to go".
This raises a question: What else can I do while it;'s recording a
DVD? Watch another show? Watch live TV? Record another show?
Or, will the unit be completely tied up during the whole 60 minutes or
more?
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MegaZone
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Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:09 am Post subject:
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Doug Warner <dwarner22@ccharter.net> shaped the electrons to say:
| Quote: | This raises a question: What else can I do while it;'s recording a
DVD? Watch another show? Watch live TV? Record another show?
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All of these - while burning a DVD you can record something else, move
shows using MRV, watch another recording (you cannot watch the same
one that is burning), watch live TV, etc.
-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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Leslie A Rhorer
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Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:02 am Post subject:
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I haven't looked specifically at the Humax recorder, but when I loked at
a couple of other TiVo / DVD recorders, their features lacked far too much
for me to consider buying them. Can anyone tell me if the Humax or any
other TiVo / DVD recorder has overcome the following limitations?
1. Inability to control output to the DVD burner.
2. Lack of an Ethernet or other high speed network connection. USB 1.0
does not qualify, and I do not consider any connection not enabled at least
at layer 3 IP to be "Networked".
3. Lack of batch programming which would allow the user to send multiple
unattended recordings to the DVD.
"MegaZone" <newsREMOVE@THISmegazone.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Doug Warner <dwarner22@ccharter.net> shaped the electrons to say:
This raises a question: What else can I do while it;'s recording a
DVD? Watch another show? Watch live TV? Record another show?
All of these - while burning a DVD you can record something else, move
shows using MRV, watch another recording (you cannot watch the same
one that is burning), watch live TV, etc.
-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org> Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer,
me.
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men"
508-755-4098
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Joe Smith
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Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:04 pm Post subject:
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Leslie A Rhorer wrote:
| Quote: | 3. Lack of batch programming which would allow the user to send multiple
unattended recordings to the DVD.
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All the TiVo burners I've seen allow this.
An example of how to batch burn multiple shows onto a single DVD is shown at
http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv1203.htm?
Another example can be seen in the Humax "It's a new TiVoŽ product!" video
clip, about half-way in. "It's not your average DVD, it's better. Even when
played back on different DVD player, you'll recognize the familiar look and
feel of the TiVo interface". At that point, it displays a DVD menu that has
three shows: 30 minutes, 40 minutes, 30 minutes.
-Joe |
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MegaZone
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Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:54 pm Post subject:
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"Leslie A Rhorer" <lrhorer@satx.rr.com> shaped the electrons to say:
| Quote: | 1. Inability to control output to the DVD burner.
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I don't know what you mean by this - you decide what gets burned.
If you mean editing, no, you cannot edit.
| Quote: | 2. Lack of an Ethernet or other high speed network connection. USB 1.0
does not qualify, and I do not consider any connection not enabled at least
at layer 3 IP to be "Networked".
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ALL TiVo DVD-RW units have USB2.0 ports which accept Ethernet or WiFi
adapters. Today they are limited to USB1.1 speeds, but USB2.0 is
expected to be enabled this fall along with the release of TiVoToGo.
If you think the untis need an integrated networking port, I think
that'd ridiculous.
| Quote: | 3. Lack of batch programming which would allow the user to send multiple
unattended recordings to the DVD.
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ALL TiVo DVD-RW units have *always* supported multiple programs burned
to a DVD. You select the programs and the order you want them, until
the disc is full, then start the burn.
-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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Matt Ackeret
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:03 am Post subject:
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In article <Qjgkd.45873$tL5.26252@fe2.texas.rr.com>,
Leslie A Rhorer <lrhorer@satx.rr.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I haven't looked specifically at the Humax recorder, but when I loked at
a couple of other TiVo / DVD recorders, their features lacked far too much
for me to consider buying them. Can anyone tell me if the Humax or any
other TiVo / DVD recorder has overcome the following limitations?
1. Inability to control output to the DVD burner.
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If you mean you can't edit recordings, that is true of all Tivo/DVD burner
combinations so far. I'd love to pay for the Tivo interface on a DVD recorder,
but consider this a necessary feature, since one of the things I want to
record to DVD is ~5 minute musical performances from talk shows. I'll use
a third party hard drive/dvd recorder instead, unfortunately. (As I found
out yesterday, one of 'ems down to $350 at buy.com.)
I'd also appreciate being able to record shows to DVD in separate sessions,
which you also can't do on these. This is somewhat less important, since
you can just keep the stuff on the hard drive until you save up a DVD's
worth. (The third party recorders can do this though.) Technically, this
means that the Tivo/DVD recorders "finalize" the DVD after recording.
| Quote: | 3. Lack of batch programming which would allow the user to send multiple
unattended recordings to the DVD.
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You definitely can do this (as another person replied too). |
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Jim
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 9:52 pm Post subject:
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If you think the untis need an integrated networking port, I think
that'd ridiculous.
rant |
What's ridiculous is paying $300 (or more) for a Toshiba SD-H400 and NOT
getting an integrated ethernet port. The idea of having to now find a
compatible USB ethernet adapter for another $20-30 is incredibly stupid,
since Linux is already fully network compliant, and the Ethernet port
doesn't introduce ANY driver dependences whatsoever, NONE. The assumption
should be that people have "wired" ethernet available. For those who desire
wireless, they could either patch an ethernet cable to a "wireless bridge",
or as currently is the case, connect a USB wireless device. However, the
former also creates NO, I repeat, NO network dependencies either! Using a
wireless bridge (as I have done w/ a D-Link DUB-E100 USB 2.0 Ethernet
Adapter (something I shouldn't have had to purchase, btw) + Belkin F5D7230-4
router in AP mode), you can connect essentially ANY wireless product to your
Tivo, even "G" and "Super G" products (i.e., 54 and 108/125 mbps devices).
Contrast that to what most people do today, which is connect a USB 802.11b
device to the USB port, which is not only pathetic performance, but now you
have a host of wireless brand and driver dependencies, hence the extensive
Tivo list of compatible wireless devices, now THAT'S ridiculous. Is it any
wonder that you can't find a *old* Netgear MA111 802.11b USB adapter, for
example, for less than $40-50 retail?! The reason is simple, the retailers
are fully aware it's one of the few Tivo compatibility wireless USB devices,
so prices remain high, despite every other 802.11b device selling for <$10,
sometimes FREE (after rebates). And when you consider just how slow 802.11b
is anyway, having to rely on it for HMO options like copying a show from one
Tivo to another, it's incredibly painful. Fortunately, I've avoided some of
that pain using my wireless bridge in "G" mode, but it's still not nearly as
good as plain ol' ethernet. Best of all, by careful selection of wireless
bridges, I've managed to get that Belkin F5D7230 router (running in AP mode)
for FREE, in fact, after rebates, Staples PAID ME to take it off their hands
(~$14). My only real expensive was the USB 2.0 ethernet adapter, which as I
said, would NOT have been necessary except for the fact my Tivo has no
ethernet port (dumb).
So my Tivo currently runs @ "G" speeds, for the mere cost of $6! While all
the "USB 802.11b adapter" crowd is paying out $40-50 for lousy 802.11b
performance.
This lack of an ethernet port on Tivo and USB driver dependencies for
wireless support is one of my major gripes w/ this device. It's idiotic to
at least not include an ethernet port since it is so ubiquitous, provides
OPTIMAL performance for HMO, and introduces ZERO driver dependencies. If
Tivo wanted to *add* 802.11b using USB dependencies *secondarily*, that's
fine, but NOT as a primary configuration, no way, that's stupid. How this
lack of an ethernet port ever got past the design stage w/ this device
escapes me. If I had been on the team, I would have walked out of the
design meeting shaking my head in disbelief. A cardinal sin of any
development project is introducing driver dependencies when you don't need
to.
</rant>
Jim |
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Homer L. Hazel
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Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:09 pm Post subject:
Re: WHat can Tivo DVDR's do while recording DVD's? |
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"Jim" <null@null.com> wrote in message
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<snip> So my Tivo currently runs @ "G" speeds, for the mere cost of $6!
While all
| Quote: | the "USB 802.11b adapter" crowd is paying out $40-50 for lousy 802.11b
performance.
snip>.
/rant
Jim
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Jim,
I understand you to say that you hooked a fast Ethernet device to the USB
port on your Tivo. Is that correct?
And in the paragraph I did not snip, you said it runs at "G" speeds.
What did you do to overcome the slow speed of the USB 1.1 adapter/connector
on the Tivo?
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Jim
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:22 am Post subject:
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Toshiba SD-H400 uses USB 2.0 (
http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvr/product.asp?model=SD-H400 ), see detailed
specs, bottom of page.
Jim
"Homer L. Hazel" <hNoOmerlhANTI@SPAMcox.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Jim" <null@null.com> wrote in message
news:gNMkd.129542$hj.39137@fed1read07...
snip> So my Tivo currently runs @ "G" speeds, for the mere cost of $6!
While all
the "USB 802.11b adapter" crowd is paying out $40-50 for lousy 802.11b
performance.
snip>.
/rant
Jim
Jim,
I understand you to say that you hooked a fast Ethernet device to the USB
port on your Tivo. Is that correct?
And in the paragraph I did not snip, you said it runs at "G" speeds.
What did you do to overcome the slow speed of the USB 1.1
adapter/connector
on the Tivo?
Thanks,
Larry Hazel
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Homer L. Hazel
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:11 am Post subject:
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Jim,
Thank you. I thought you were using a regular Tivo series 2 and I was
getting excited. 8>)
Larry Hazel
"Jim" <null@null.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Toshiba SD-H400 uses USB 2.0 (
http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvr/product.asp?model=SD-H400 ), see detailed
specs, bottom of page.
Jim
"Homer L. Hazel" <hNoOmerlhANTI@SPAMcox.net> wrote in message
news:9VNkd.63957$G15.53973@fed1read03...
"Jim" <null@null.com> wrote in message
news:gNMkd.129542$hj.39137@fed1read07...
snip> So my Tivo currently runs @ "G" speeds, for the mere cost of $6!
While all
the "USB 802.11b adapter" crowd is paying out $40-50 for lousy 802.11b
performance.
snip>.
/rant
Jim
Jim,
I understand you to say that you hooked a fast Ethernet device to the USB
port on your Tivo. Is that correct?
And in the paragraph I did not snip, you said it runs at "G" speeds.
What did you do to overcome the slow speed of the USB 1.1
adapter/connector
on the Tivo?
Thanks,
Larry Hazel
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Matt Ackeret
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:24 am Post subject:
Re: WHat can Tivo DVDR's do while recording DVD's? |
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In article <gNMkd.129542$hj.39137@fed1read07>, Jim <null@null.com> wrote:
Hint: paragraphs.
| Quote: | Is it any wonder that you can't find a *old* Netgear MA111 802.11b USB
adapter, for example, for less than $40-50 retail?! The reason is simple, the
retailers are fully aware it's one of the few Tivo compatibility wireless USB
devices, so prices remain high...
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Oh yeah, the gazillions of Tivo users out there (compared to other users)
is really the reason the prices are (supposedly) so high.
BTW, others have said many times you can find Ethernet<>USB adaptors that work
with Tivos for $5. Maybe that is not true anymore. |
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Leslie A Rhorer
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:04 am Post subject:
Re: WHat can Tivo DVDR's do while recording DVD's? |
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I must have been mistaken. I haven't yet physically looked at one of
the units, just read reports.
"Joe Smith" <Joe.Smith@inwap.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Leslie A Rhorer wrote:
3. Lack of batch programming which would allow the user to send
multiple unattended recordings to the DVD.
All the TiVo burners I've seen allow this.
An example of how to batch burn multiple shows onto a single DVD is shown
at
http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv1203.htm?
Another example can be seen in the Humax "It's a new TiVoŽ product!" video
clip, about half-way in. "It's not your average DVD, it's better. Even
when
played back on different DVD player, you'll recognize the familiar look
and
feel of the TiVo interface". At that point, it displays a DVD menu that
has
three shows: 30 minutes, 40 minutes, 30 minutes.
-Joe |
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Leslie A Rhorer
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:04 am Post subject:
Re: WHat can Tivo DVDR's do while recording DVD's? |
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"MegaZone" <newsREMOVE@THISmegazone.org> wrote in message
news:megazone.1100105674@sidehack.sat.gweep.net...
| Quote: | "Leslie A Rhorer" <lrhorer@satx.rr.com> shaped the electrons to say:
1. Inability to control output to the DVD burner.
I don't know what you mean by this - you decide what gets burned.
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Only the entire program. Editing is not an option.
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If you mean editing, no, you cannot edit.
2. Lack of an Ethernet or other high speed network connection. USB
1.0
does not qualify, and I do not consider any connection not enabled at
least
at layer 3 IP to be "Networked".
ALL TiVo DVD-RW units have USB2.0 ports which accept Ethernet or WiFi
adapters. Today they are limited to USB1.1 speeds, but USB2.0 is
expected to be enabled this fall along with the release of TiVoToGo.
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I knew about the USB ports. I was unaware the limitation was in
software, rather than hardware.
| Quote: | If you think the untis need an integrated networking port, I think
that'd ridiculous.
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Not at all. Gigabit Ethernet would be nice. media adapters always have
potential problems. Just look at the list of USB - Ethernet adapters which
do not work well or are not known to work well with Tivo. I'd much rather
have a TiVo which plugs directly into my Gigabit network with no muss, no
fuss, and no extra cost or equipment, just like my Ethernet enabled series I
does.
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3. Lack of batch programming which would allow the user to send
multiple
unattended recordings to the DVD.
ALL TiVo DVD-RW units have *always* supported multiple programs burned
to a DVD. You select the programs and the order you want them, until
the disc is full, then start the burn.
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'My mistake. I obviously misunderstood the things I was reading.
'Still, no editing either in batch or single mode. |
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Leslie A Rhorer
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:04 am Post subject:
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<much wonderful stuff deleted>
| Quote: | This lack of an ethernet port on Tivo and USB driver dependencies for
wireless support is one of my major gripes w/ this device. It's idiotic
to
at least not include an ethernet port since it is so ubiquitous, provides
OPTIMAL performance for HMO, and introduces ZERO driver dependencies. If
Tivo wanted to *add* 802.11b using USB dependencies *secondarily*, that's
fine, but NOT as a primary configuration, no way, that's stupid. How this
lack of an ethernet port ever got past the design stage w/ this device
escapes me. If I had been on the team, I would have walked out of the
design meeting shaking my head in disbelief. A cardinal sin of any
development project is introducing driver dependencies when you don't need
to.
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Amen! I have a Series I TiVo with a TurboNet adapter doing 100M on my
network. The lack of a 100M or greater Ethernet solution is the entire
reason I have yet to upgrade to a Series II. |
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Leslie A Rhorer
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:04 am Post subject:
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Well, it's better than most, but I think I'll hold out to see if
someone produces a Gig-E TiVo, maybe with a built-in tystream editor. Or
maybe one of TiVo's competitors will actually produce a better UI /
application suite with good I/O. With Gig-E chipsets costing under $15 in
OEM quantities, surely someone will wake up?
"Jim" <null@null.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Toshiba SD-H400 uses USB 2.0 (
http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvr/product.asp?model=SD-H400 ), see detailed
specs, bottom of page.
Jim
"Homer L. Hazel" <hNoOmerlhANTI@SPAMcox.net> wrote in message
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"Jim" <null@null.com> wrote in message
news:gNMkd.129542$hj.39137@fed1read07...
snip> So my Tivo currently runs @ "G" speeds, for the mere cost of $6!
While all
the "USB 802.11b adapter" crowd is paying out $40-50 for lousy 802.11b
performance.
snip>.
/rant
Jim
Jim,
I understand you to say that you hooked a fast Ethernet device to the USB
port on your Tivo. Is that correct?
And in the paragraph I did not snip, you said it runs at "G" speeds.
What did you do to overcome the slow speed of the USB 1.1
adapter/connector
on the Tivo?
Thanks,
Larry Hazel
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