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Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:29 am Post subject:
Xvid completely dead |
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It seems that Xvid development is now quite dead. For the past
few months at least, maybe longer:
1. they have prevented anyone new from signing up to their forums at
xvid.org
2. not one Xvid developer has responded to any emails
3. they don't respond to questions posted to the mailing list either
I hate to think that the Xvid developers have sold out and
gotten jobs working at Divx or some similar shop, but that is
what I suspect. It is really too bad, because the world does need
an open source video format. If not xvid then what? Obviously
Divx is closed source...
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Jan Panteltje
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject:
Re: Xvid completely dead |
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On a sunny day (17 Jan 2005 20:11:56 -0800) it happened warble606@yahoo.com
wrote in <1106021516.246887.53980@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
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It seems that Xvid development is now quite dead. For the past
few months at least, maybe longer:
1. they have prevented anyone new from signing up to their forums at
xvid.org
2. not one Xvid developer has responded to any emails
3. they don't respond to questions posted to the mailing list either
I hate to think that the Xvid developers have sold out and
gotten jobs working at Divx or some similar shop, but that is
what I suspect. It is really too bad, because the world does need
an open source video format. If not xvid then what? Obviously
Divx is closed source...
But what is stopping anyone from taking the last soruces, and start |
from there?
As a new project I mean.
That procedures is often followed, for example some of my soft has
been 'split of' and i have done it too others too :-)
Open source! |
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deimos
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Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:03 am Post subject:
Re: Xvid completely dead |
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warble606@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | It seems that Xvid development is now quite dead. For the past
few months at least, maybe longer:
1. they have prevented anyone new from signing up to their forums at
xvid.org
2. not one Xvid developer has responded to any emails
3. they don't respond to questions posted to the mailing list either
I hate to think that the Xvid developers have sold out and
gotten jobs working at Divx or some similar shop, but that is
what I suspect. It is really too bad, because the world does need
an open source video format. If not xvid then what? Obviously
Divx is closed source...
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There are several branches in development simultaneously. Keopi has
been using HEAD I think with his 1.1 betas. XVid is still very active,
it's just their site administration that could use a touch up. Most
active XVid developers are on the Doom9 forum anyhow. |
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rapskat
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:
Re: Xvid completely dead |
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| Quote: | I hate to think that the Xvid developers have sold out and gotten jobs
working at Divx or some similar shop, but that is what I suspect. It is
really too bad, because the world does need an open source video format.
If not xvid then what? Obviously Divx is closed source...
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There's always Ogg/Theora...
http://www.theora.org/
It seems to be coming along nicely, and already has quite a few projects
based on it.
When it gets a little more mature, I plan on converting all my media over
to it like I've already done with my mp3 files to vorbis.
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Sheppy
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:
Re: Xvid completely dead |
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Attachments of unknown type can easily contain virus's, I'm not opening it
to find out thou.
"rapskat" <rapskat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.21.05.40.55.844543@rapskat.com... |
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Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:23 am Post subject:
Re: Xvid completely dead |
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"When it gets a little more mature, I plan on converting all my media
over
to it like I've already done with my mp3 files to vorbis."
I'm under the impression that converting from one compressed+lossy
format to another such format results in gunk. Therefore my mp3s
will remain mp3s until I can bother to figure out which cardboard
storage box contains my quaint old CDs. |
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gaffo
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: Xvid completely dead |
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warble606@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | "When it gets a little more mature, I plan on converting all my media
over
to it like I've already done with my mp3 files to vorbis."
I'm under the impression that converting from one compressed+lossy
format to another such format results in gunk. Therefore my mp3s
will remain mp3s until I can bother to figure out which cardboard
storage box contains my quaint old CDs.
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you are correct.
I have arcane RealAudio files which remain such.
my mp3's remain mp3's
and the oggs I have remain ogg.
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What is this taht I can see
Cold icy hands taking hold of me
for Death has come, you all can see.
Hell has open it,s gate to trick me.
Oh! Death, Oh! Death, can't you spare
me, over for another year!
I'll stuff your jaws till you can't talk
I'll blind your leg's till you can't walk
I'll tie your hands till you can't make a
stand.
And finally I'll close your eyes so you
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My inner felling hot with propension of the new awakening season
Warn, wet with inner fear and rapture, my pleasure of entanglement, like
new vines at night
Oh, Anna, Why Didn’t You Appear
Drop of fear fresh Spring rain would roll down from your nakedness to
scent to lofty fever that burns within,
In that small world of longing, fear, rapture, and desparation, the game
we play, fall on devil ears
Fantasy spring forth, mounts, to storm fury, then winter clam at the end.
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Alone, now in another time span I lay with sweet enrapture garments
across most private thought
Bed of Spring moist grass, clean before the sun, enslaved with control,
warm wind scenting the air, sun light sparkle tears in eyes so deep and
clear.
Alone again I trod in pass memory of mirrors, and ponder why for number
eight was not.
Oh, Anna Why Didn’t You Appear
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rapskat
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject:
Re: Xvid completely dead |
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begin Error log for Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:54 -0800: warble606 caused a
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| Quote: | "When it gets a little more mature, I plan on converting all my media
over
to it like I've already done with my mp3 files to vorbis."
I'm under the impression that converting from one compressed+lossy
format to another such format results in gunk. Therefore my mp3s will
remain mp3s until I can bother to figure out which cardboard storage box
contains my quaint old CDs.
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Not really, so long as you preserve equivelant settings for source and
target when converting. Granted, if you have a bad source, then of course
the result will be crappy as well.
I have a script that handles all that for me, and I have a collection of
ogg's that sound just as good or better than the original mp3's they were
converted from IMHO.
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Jan Panteltje
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:
Re: Xvid completely dead |
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On a sunny day (Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:42:07 -0500) it happened rapskat
<rapskat@yahoo.com> wrote in <pan.2005.01.29.08.42.05.822240@rapskat.com>:
| Quote: | begin Error log for Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:54 -0800: warble606 caused a
Page Fault at address
1106627694.854909.116590@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, details...
"When it gets a little more mature, I plan on converting all my media
over
to it like I've already done with my mp3 files to vorbis."
I'm under the impression that converting from one compressed+lossy
format to another such format results in gunk. Therefore my mp3s will
remain mp3s until I can bother to figure out which cardboard storage box
contains my quaint old CDs.
Not really, so long as you preserve equivelant settings for source and
target when converting. Granted, if you have a bad source, then of course
the result will be crappy as well.
I have a script that handles all that for me, and I have a collection of
ogg's that sound just as good or better than the original mp3's they were
converted from IMHO.
Correct, there is one important thing to watch out for when for example |
going from mp3 (or mp2) to AC3 (or any other compressed format).
IF (if if if if ) the original is 'clipping', and by that I mean the
amplitude clips against the maximum, the newly encoded file will sound
terrible.
The reason is that these compression algos will ENHANCE the loudest signal,
and drop weak signals (this is part of the compression algo), so it
will ENHANCE the clipped distiortion part, and leave out the original
(weaker) good part.
I had lots of problems with this when going from DVB-satellite mp2 to AC3
for DVD, or mp3...
The conversions normally go via the wave format. You can check
for clipping with any wave editor.
When no clipping occurs and you specify same or better bitrate, you will
get reasonable results.
If you need to also change sampling rate (say from 48000 to 44100) then
there are different algos, for example in Linux you can get better resampling
using sox:
sox sound-48000.wav -r 44100 sound-44100.wav resample
Not each resampling program produces good results.
Then there is the 'acoustic model' used in the codec, it may make a lot of
difference, (I noticed lots of difference when coding to mp2 for example).
I do not have a lot of experience with ogg, as I hardly use it.
But I am sure the same basic rules apply. |
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rapskat
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Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject:
Re: Xvid completely dead |
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| Quote: | On a sunny day (Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:42:07 -0500) it happened rapskat
rapskat@yahoo.com> wrote in
pan.2005.01.29.08.42.05.822240@rapskat.com>:
begin Error log for Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:54 -0800: warble606 caused
a Page Fault at address
1106627694.854909.116590@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, details...
"When it gets a little more mature, I plan on converting all my media
over
to it like I've already done with my mp3 files to vorbis."
I'm under the impression that converting from one compressed+lossy
format to another such format results in gunk. Therefore my mp3s will
remain mp3s until I can bother to figure out which cardboard storage
box contains my quaint old CDs.
Not really, so long as you preserve equivelant settings for source and
target when converting. Granted, if you have a bad source, then of
course the result will be crappy as well.
I have a script that handles all that for me, and I have a collection of
ogg's that sound just as good or better than the original mp3's they
were converted from IMHO.
Correct, there is one important thing to watch out for when for example
going from mp3 (or mp2) to AC3 (or any other compressed format).
IF (if if if if ) the original is 'clipping', and by that I mean the
amplitude clips against the maximum, the newly encoded file will sound
terrible.
The reason is that these compression algos will ENHANCE the loudest
signal, and drop weak signals (this is part of the compression algo), so
it will ENHANCE the clipped distiortion part, and leave out the original
(weaker) good part.
I had lots of problems with this when going from DVB-satellite mp2 to
AC3 for DVD, or mp3...
The conversions normally go via the wave format. You can check for
clipping with any wave editor.
When no clipping occurs and you specify same or better bitrate, you will
get reasonable results.
If you need to also change sampling rate (say from 48000 to 44100) then
there are different algos, for example in Linux you can get better
resampling using sox:
sox sound-48000.wav -r 44100 sound-44100.wav resample Not each
resampling program produces good results. Then there is the 'acoustic
model' used in the codec, it may make a lot of difference, (I noticed
lots of difference when coding to mp2 for example). I do not have a lot
of experience with ogg, as I hardly use it. But I am sure the same basic
rules apply.
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I just recently found out exactly what you mean, so I modified my
conversion script to use "normalize" prior to conversion. This takes care
of the clipping issue and also the issue of one song sounding "louder" or
"softer" than any other.
Man, I love scripts! :-)
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