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Matthew L. Martin
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 3:39 am Post subject:
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Matt Ackeret wrote:
| Quote: | In article <gtCdnd8uvp0MthzcRVn-ow@comcast.com>,
Charles Tomaras <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:
Save for the price of the additional tuners, it's nice to know that even if
the satellite dies I have a way to watch my local television.
I know you're being hypothetical...
but do you mean if DirecTV went out of business or something?
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Satellites aren't forever. They have been known to die suddenly of
various causes or just degrade as they age.
| Quote: | As it is now, from what I've read in the manuals, you need a DirecTV
subscription to even use it for local signals.
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Unless something has changed, all you need is a valid access card, not a
current subscription to DirecTV. DiSH had/has that requirement.
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Charles Tomaras
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:05 am Post subject:
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"Matt Ackeret" <mattack@vax.hanford.org> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <gtCdnd8uvp0MthzcRVn-ow@comcast.com>,
Charles Tomaras <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:
Save for the price of the additional tuners, it's nice to know that even
if
the satellite dies I have a way to watch my local television.
I know you're being hypothetical...
but do you mean if DirecTV went out of business or something?
As it is now, from what I've read in the manuals, you need a DirecTV
subscription to even use it for local signals.
So I guess your hypothetical situation would require a new software
release
from Tivo. (Similar to the statement from several Tivo employees that
if they were to go out of business, they'd sent out a software release
that
at least still allowed them to be used as standalone manual recorders.)
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I guess you folks could be correct on this one. I know my former Direct TV /
ATSC HD tuners allowed ATSC viewing without the satellite or even the Direct
TV card but I've never checked it out on my HD Tivo. |
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Jeff Rife
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 5:49 am Post subject:
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Matthew L. Martin (nothere@notnow.never) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
| Quote: | As it is now, from what I've read in the manuals, you need a DirecTV
subscription to even use it for local signals.
Unless something has changed, all you need is a valid access card, not a
current subscription to DirecTV. DiSH had/has that requirement.
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The HD DirecTiVo boxes *are* different. First, without the satellite, it
won't do any recording at all. It might not even allow you to pause live TV.
You can watch already recorded programs, though.
AFAIK, you still only need a valid access card to watch OTA HD, but because
the DirecTiVo gets its guide data and virtual channel info from the satellite
guide, I really don't know if it will work. I haven't seen any reports one
way or the other.
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poldy
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Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:00 am Post subject:
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In article <FuydnVPxzbH2ChzcRVn-tg@comcast.com>,
"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I guess you folks could be correct on this one. I know my former Direct TV /
ATSC HD tuners allowed ATSC viewing without the satellite or even the Direct
TV card but I've never checked it out on my HD Tivo.
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Your HD Tivo may not be compatible with the Spaceway and Directway. |
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Charles Tomaras
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Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:27 pm Post subject:
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"poldy" <poldy@kfu.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <FuydnVPxzbH2ChzcRVn-tg@comcast.com>,
"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:
I guess you folks could be correct on this one. I know my former Direct
TV /
ATSC HD tuners allowed ATSC viewing without the satellite or even the
Direct
TV card but I've never checked it out on my HD Tivo.
Your HD Tivo may not be compatible with the Spaceway and Directway.
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Well...I don't use either of those systems so that isn't an issue for me. |
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Jeff Rife
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Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:57 pm Post subject:
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Charles Tomaras (tomaras@tomaras.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
| Quote: | Your HD Tivo may not be compatible with the Spaceway and Directway.
Well...I don't use either of those systems so that isn't an issue for me.
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What he was referring to is the fact that local HD is likely to be carried
on the new "Spaceway" satellites. They are named this because they were
*supposed* to be used as a replacement for DirecTVs current Internet over
satellite system: DirecWay.
They are being re-purposed to do local HDTV channels over satellite, and
they will use Ka band, which current DirecTV LNBs can't handle. But,
if you have an antenna and get your digital locals well using that, there
is probably nothing that the Spaceway setup will really offer you, since
it seems to be dedicated to local channels, at least according to current
plans.
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poldy
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:16 pm Post subject:
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In article <MPG.1bf034ed30dfc44b9898c6@news.nabs.net>,
Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Charles Tomaras (tomaras@tomaras.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Your HD Tivo may not be compatible with the Spaceway and Directway.
Well...I don't use either of those systems so that isn't an issue for me.
What he was referring to is the fact that local HD is likely to be carried
on the new "Spaceway" satellites. They are named this because they were
*supposed* to be used as a replacement for DirecTVs current Internet over
satellite system: DirecWay.
They are being re-purposed to do local HDTV channels over satellite, and
they will use Ka band, which current DirecTV LNBs can't handle. But,
if you have an antenna and get your digital locals well using that, there
is probably nothing that the Spaceway setup will really offer you, since
it seems to be dedicated to local channels, at least according to current
plans.
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Well with 500 HD channels in 2005 and 1500 more in 2006 or 2007, you
hope they can fit in a one or two cable HD channels.
Fox Sports HD would be a good start too. |
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Jeff Rife
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 11:17 pm Post subject:
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poldy (poldy@kfu.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
| Quote: | Well with 500 HD channels in 2005 and 1500 more in 2006 or 2007, you
hope they can fit in a one or two cable HD channels.
Fox Sports HD would be a good start too.
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Nope, it wouldn't. Why, you ask?
Because the "sports pack" would include it, and that must be available to
the entire US. AFAIK, the Spaceway satellites are spot-beam only, with
no CONUS capability. But, if the do have CONUS transponders, those could
be Ku-band (since the Spaceway sats *are* dual band), and there shouldn't
be a problem for legacy receivers.
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poldy
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Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:07 am Post subject:
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In article <MPG.1bf19954fe6dd17a9898cd@news.nabs.net>,
Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:
| Quote: | poldy (poldy@kfu.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Well with 500 HD channels in 2005 and 1500 more in 2006 or 2007, you
hope they can fit in a one or two cable HD channels.
Fox Sports HD would be a good start too.
Nope, it wouldn't. Why, you ask?
Because the "sports pack" would include it, and that must be available to
the entire US. AFAIK, the Spaceway satellites are spot-beam only, with
no CONUS capability. But, if the do have CONUS transponders, those could
be Ku-band (since the Spaceway sats *are* dual band), and there shouldn't
be a problem for legacy receivers.
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Yeah but I don't mean all the Fox Sports channels. Just the one for
your area. I get Fox Sports Bay Area with my local channels.
And FSBA is doing some HD broadcasts of local teams. |
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Jeff Rife
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Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:16 pm Post subject:
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poldy (poldy@kfu.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
| Quote: | Yeah but I don't mean all the Fox Sports channels. Just the one for
your area.
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But, DirecTV *wants* to send the RSNs to everybody and get them to pay
$12 for the sports pack. Heck, I'd leap onto some of the premium sports
packs (MLB Extra Innings, for one) if I could get 2-3 games per night
in HD. I suspect that others would do the same.
So, the HD RSNs would be on CONUS beams, just like the SD ones. The only
things on spot beams would be truly local content.
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