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Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject:
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Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but is there an easy
way of getting both the Todd-AO and CinemaScope versions of OKLAHOMA!
on home video? Years ago, I passed up a chance to buy a laserdisc of
the Todd-AO version and I've been quietly kicking myself ever since.
(Which version is the latest DVD release?)
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Martin Hart
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject:
Re: Oklahoma! in Todd-AO? |
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In article <1105864195.209113.90270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
MrBuddwing@aol.com says...
| Quote: | Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but is there an easy
way of getting both the Todd-AO and CinemaScope versions of OKLAHOMA!
on home video? Years ago, I passed up a chance to buy a laserdisc of
the Todd-AO version and I've been quietly kicking myself ever since.
(Which version is the latest DVD release?)
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Everything currently available is from the Todd-AO production. The DVD
is of very mediocre quality, being a single sided disc that is neither
dual layer nor anamorphic. The first LDs were from the CinemaScope
version, later followed by the Todd-AO. You might check eBay once or
twice a week and you may be able to find the old CinemaScope LD sooner
or later. It may not be the easiest way of getting it, but you get too
winded.
Marty
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Don Carter
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Oklahoma! in Todd-AO? |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:29:58 GMT, Martin Hart
<see-address@website.listed.below.org> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1105864195.209113.90270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
MrBuddwing@aol.com says...
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but is there an easy
way of getting both the Todd-AO and CinemaScope versions of OKLAHOMA!
on home video? Years ago, I passed up a chance to buy a laserdisc of
the Todd-AO version and I've been quietly kicking myself ever since.
(Which version is the latest DVD release?)
Everything currently available is from the Todd-AO production. The DVD
is of very mediocre quality, being a single sided disc that is neither
dual layer nor anamorphic. The first LDs were from the CinemaScope
version, later followed by the Todd-AO. You might check eBay once or
twice a week and you may be able to find the old CinemaScope LD sooner
or later. It may not be the easiest way of getting it, but you get too
winded.
Marty
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Actually, if you can get it and play PAL videos, I think the current
UK widescreen VHS is from the CinemaScope version
Don |
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ahollis577
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:12 am Post subject:
Re: Oklahoma! in Todd-AO? |
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And there certainly is a difference between the two versions. All you have
to do is compare the Kansas City number and see that the staging was
different for each version.
<MrBuddwing@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but is there an easy
way of getting both the Todd-AO and CinemaScope versions of OKLAHOMA!
on home video? Years ago, I passed up a chance to buy a laserdisc of
the Todd-AO version and I've been quietly kicking myself ever since.
(Which version is the latest DVD release?)
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Charles Eggen
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:32 am Post subject:
Re: Oklahoma! in Todd-AO? |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:10:49 +0000, Don Carter <noone@home.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:29:58 GMT, Martin Hart
see-address@website.listed.below.org> wrote:
In article <1105864195.209113.90270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
MrBuddwing@aol.com says...
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but is there an easy
way of getting both the Todd-AO and CinemaScope versions of OKLAHOMA!
on home video? Years ago, I passed up a chance to buy a laserdisc of
the Todd-AO version and I've been quietly kicking myself ever since.
(Which version is the latest DVD release?)
Everything currently available is from the Todd-AO production. The DVD
is of very mediocre quality, being a single sided disc that is neither
dual layer nor anamorphic. The first LDs were from the CinemaScope
version, later followed by the Todd-AO. You might check eBay once or
twice a week and you may be able to find the old CinemaScope LD sooner
or later. It may not be the easiest way of getting it, but you get too
winded.
Marty
Actually, if you can get it and play PAL videos, I think the current
UK widescreen VHS is from the CinemaScope version
Don
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Of course I could be wrong, but I believe both the Laserdisc and the
DVD is the 2.20:1 35mm cinemascope version. To the best of my
knowledge, there has never been a laserdisc or dvd that contained the
2.55:1 Todd-AO version. Additionally, so far, the only 2.55:1 DVD
Rogers & Hammerstein musicals are Carousel and The King and I.
Charles
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Warchild
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:59 am Post subject:
Re: Oklahoma! in Todd-AO? |
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In article <1oflu0hrlu7nm5do6lel4ij2hvtdbshbcj@4ax.com>,
Charles Eggen <cne@efn.org> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:10:49 +0000, Don Carter <noone@home.net> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:29:58 GMT, Martin Hart
see-address@website.listed.below.org> wrote:
In article <1105864195.209113.90270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
MrBuddwing@aol.com says...
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but is there an easy
way of getting both the Todd-AO and CinemaScope versions of OKLAHOMA!
on home video? Years ago, I passed up a chance to buy a laserdisc of
the Todd-AO version and I've been quietly kicking myself ever since.
(Which version is the latest DVD release?)
Everything currently available is from the Todd-AO production. The DVD
is of very mediocre quality, being a single sided disc that is neither
dual layer nor anamorphic. The first LDs were from the CinemaScope
version, later followed by the Todd-AO. You might check eBay once or
twice a week and you may be able to find the old CinemaScope LD sooner
or later. It may not be the easiest way of getting it, but you get too
winded.
Marty
Actually, if you can get it and play PAL videos, I think the current
UK widescreen VHS is from the CinemaScope version
Don
Of course I could be wrong, but I believe both the Laserdisc and the
DVD is the 2.20:1 35mm cinemascope version. To the best of my
knowledge, there has never been a laserdisc or dvd that contained the
2.55:1 Todd-AO version. Additionally, so far, the only 2.55:1 DVD
Rogers & Hammerstein musicals are Carousel and The King and I.
Charles
nzvideos.org
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I believe that the last US laserdisc release, which I own, was the Todd
AO version. It also included a documentary about the production and
showed the differences between the two films. I might be wrong though,
and will have to dig out my laserdisc to confirm.
I realize that this is wishy-washy, but a big point was made of the
version of the film at the time the disc was released. |
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P Pron
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:48 am Post subject:
Re: Oklahoma! in Todd-AO? |
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Warchild wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1oflu0hrlu7nm5do6lel4ij2hvtdbshbcj@4ax.com>,
Charles Eggen <cne@efn.org> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:10:49 +0000, Don Carter <noone@home.net
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:29:58 GMT, Martin Hart
see-address@website.listed.below.org> wrote:
In article <1105864195.209113.90270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
MrBuddwing@aol.com says...
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but is there
an easy way of getting both the Todd-AO and CinemaScope versions
of OKLAHOMA! on home video? Years ago, I passed up a chance to
buy a laserdisc of the Todd-AO version and I've been quietly
kicking myself ever since. (Which version is the latest DVD
release?)
Everything currently available is from the Todd-AO production. The
DVD is of very mediocre quality, being a single sided disc that is
neither dual layer nor anamorphic. The first LDs were from the
CinemaScope version, later followed by the Todd-AO. You might
check eBay once or twice a week and you may be able to find the
old CinemaScope LD sooner or later. It may not be the easiest way
of getting it, but you get too winded.
Marty
Actually, if you can get it and play PAL videos, I think the current
UK widescreen VHS is from the CinemaScope version
Don
Of course I could be wrong, but I believe both the Laserdisc and the
DVD is the 2.20:1 35mm cinemascope version. To the best of my
knowledge, there has never been a laserdisc or dvd that contained the
2.55:1 Todd-AO version. Additionally, so far, the only 2.55:1 DVD
Rogers & Hammerstein musicals are Carousel and The King and I.
Charles
nzvideos.org
I believe that the last US laserdisc release, which I own, was the
Todd AO version. It also included a documentary about the production
and showed the differences between the two films. I might be wrong
though, and will have to dig out my laserdisc to confirm.
I realize that this is wishy-washy, but a big point was made of the
version of the film at the time the disc was released.
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Yes - the original laserdisc issue was produced from the CinemaScope master.
The final issue was produced from the restored Todd AO version, and was an
enormous step-up from the previous issue. I've seen a lengthy article
describing the differences between the two versions, but can't now find a
link to it.....
AFAIR, the surviving 'scope elements are too far gone to restore to a decent
standard.
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:50 am Post subject:
Re: Oklahoma! in Todd-AO? |
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P Pron wrote:
| Quote: | Warchild wrote:
In article <1oflu0hrlu7nm5do6lel4ij2hvtdbshbcj@4ax.com>,
Charles Eggen <cne@efn.org> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:10:49 +0000, Don Carter <noone@home.net
wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:29:58 GMT, Martin Hart
see-address@website.listed.below.org> wrote:
In article
1105864195.209113.90270@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
MrBuddwing@aol.com says...
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but is there
an easy way of getting both the Todd-AO and CinemaScope
versions
of OKLAHOMA! on home video? Years ago, I passed up a chance to
buy a laserdisc of the Todd-AO version and I've been quietly
kicking myself ever since. (Which version is the latest DVD
release?)
Everything currently available is from the Todd-AO production.
The
DVD is of very mediocre quality, being a single sided disc that
is
neither dual layer nor anamorphic. The first LDs were from the
CinemaScope version, later followed by the Todd-AO. You might
check eBay once or twice a week and you may be able to find the
old CinemaScope LD sooner or later. It may not be the easiest
way
of getting it, but you get too winded.
Marty
Actually, if you can get it and play PAL videos, I think the
current
UK widescreen VHS is from the CinemaScope version
Don
Of course I could be wrong, but I believe both the Laserdisc and
the
DVD is the 2.20:1 35mm cinemascope version. To the best of my
knowledge, there has never been a laserdisc or dvd that contained
the
2.55:1 Todd-AO version. Additionally, so far, the only 2.55:1 DVD
Rogers & Hammerstein musicals are Carousel and The King and I.
Charles
nzvideos.org
I believe that the last US laserdisc release, which I own, was the
Todd AO version. It also included a documentary about the
production
and showed the differences between the two films. I might be
wrong
though, and will have to dig out my laserdisc to confirm.
I realize that this is wishy-washy, but a big point was made of the
version of the film at the time the disc was released.
Yes - the original laserdisc issue was produced from the CinemaScope
master.
The final issue was produced from the restored Todd AO version, and
was an
enormous step-up from the previous issue. I've seen a lengthy article
describing the differences between the two versions, but can't now
find a
link to it.....
AFAIR, the surviving 'scope elements are too far gone to restore to a
decent
standard.
paul |
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:54 am Post subject:
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Several years ago American Movie Classics (before they went down the
tubes and started showing commericals during the feature) presented
Oklahoma in the Cinemascope and ToddAO versions back to back. I
recorded both and compared them side by side. There are certainly
differences. Unfortunately when I moved recently I apparently
misplaced both copies. |
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Paul Linfesty
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 4:35 am Post subject:
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Of course I could be wrong, but I believe both the Laserdisc and the
DVD is the 2.20:1 35mm cinemascope version. To the best of my
knowledge, there has never been a laserdisc or dvd that contained the
2.55:1 Todd-AO version. Additionally, so far, the only 2.55:1 DVD
Rogers & Hammerstein musicals are Carousel and The King and I.
Yes, you're wrong. The last LD and only DVD is the 2.2:1 70mm Todd-AO |
version. The first (or second to last) LD was from the 35mm Cinemascope
2.55 version (or was it a mag-optic 2.35 release?) Anyway, Todd-AO was
never 2.55. |
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:13 am Post subject:
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Of course the thing that really moved me with Todd-AO was how bright it was,
and how little flicker there was. Those aren't variables that get
translated to disk. |
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jayembee
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:
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Charles Eggen <cne@efn.org> wrote:
| Quote: | Of course I could be wrong, but I believe both the Laserdisc and the
DVD is the 2.20:1 35mm cinemascope version. To the best of my
knowledge, there has never been a laserdisc or dvd that contained the
2.55:1 Todd-AO version.
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Yes, you are wrong.
2.20:1 is Todd-AO (or any 70mm gauge process).
2.55:1 is CinemaScope with mag (rather than optical) tracks.
-- jayembee |
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Martin Hart
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:
Re: Oklahoma! in Todd-AO? |
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In article <9mfmu09mbjmsue6qsu3qkf0inh26muse46@4ax.com>,
jayembeenospam@snurcher.com says...
| Quote: | Charles Eggen <cne@efn.org> wrote:
Of course I could be wrong, but I believe both the Laserdisc and the
DVD is the 2.20:1 35mm cinemascope version. To the best of my
knowledge, there has never been a laserdisc or dvd that contained the
2.55:1 Todd-AO version.
Yes, you are wrong.
2.20:1 is Todd-AO (or any 70mm gauge process).
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You forget that Ultra Panavision 70 had a total aspect ratio of 2.76:1.
(2.21 X 1.25x squeeze ratio). Additionally, dozens of 70mm prints have
been made by blowing up 35mm negatives that have an aspect ratio of less
than 2.21:1.
| Quote: | 2.55:1 is CinemaScope with mag (rather than optical) tracks.
-- jayembee
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Marty
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Martin Hart
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:
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In article <DqDGd.9480$Ii4.5753@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
howard@brazee.net says...
| Quote: | Of course the thing that really moved me with Todd-AO was how bright it was,
and how little flicker there was. Those aren't variables that get
translated to disk.
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Depending on just how sensitive to video frame rates, there could very
well be noticeably less flicker in the Todd-AO video. The first two
Todd-AO films were made at 30 frames per second, the same rate as NTSC
television. There was no need to do the normal 3:2 pulldown trick to get
a smooth image. Personally, I don't see much of the normal NTSC
artifacts but I've got a couple of friends that are exceptionally
sensitive to it, so the 30 fps speed of the Todd-AO version is much
better for them.
Marty
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ZEKE, the NERDS
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Of course the thing that really moved me with Todd-AO was how bright it
was,
and how little flicker there was. Those aren't variables that get
translated to disk.
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TODD AO was shot at 30 FPS, which results in a significant improvement in
flicker and strobing due to the 25%
increase in temporal resolution. This is why I shoot my own movies at 30p
instead of 24p because they WANT to
get that "film look." 30 frames per second retains the "dreamy" quality of
film, because the arrival rate of new information
is still slower than the image processing rate of the brain which is about
44, but gives a smoother motion.
A properly done Film to digital transfer from a TODD-AO original would be at
30 (actually 29.95) frames, 1080 lines
resolution. This will playback... once the equipment is available... at
1080i. Even a DVD downconverted from such
1080 line masters will exhibit the superior temporal properties.
zeke... artist and teacher |
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