| Author |
Message |
Martin Heffels
Guest
|
 Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:26 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:32:51 -0700, Seattle Eric <noone@erehwon.gov>
wrote:
| Quote: | So, what are the mechanical differences between a soft focus lens and
a....sharp focus lens?
|
Glass of inferior quality?
-m-
--
Can the terror of spam be included in the war on terror?
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Tony Morgan
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:56 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
In message <vtj6o01v6ltspr889naebe4qhgppa6vlu4@4ax.com>, Martin Heffels
<tguei221@handbag.com> writes
| Quote: | On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:34:59 -0700, Seattle Eric <noone@erehwon.gov
wrote:
We regularly put nylon BEHIND the lens in 16mm photography, but on a
XL-1 (only Canons let you behind the lens, right?) there doesn't appear
to be any clearance to get a net in there.
That's a good one. Would be interesting to know.
My problem is that when my girlfriend takes her tights off so I can wrap |
them around the lens to get soft-focus - I get a hard-focus :-)
Of course for those guys requiring their boy-friend to take off their
tights, I imagine that Vaseline *might* help - depending on how big a
prick they were :-)
--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tony Morgan
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:05 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
In message <fWWQCxCss0gBFw8j@zen54488.dircon.co.uk>, Tony Morgan
<tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net> writes
| Quote: | In message <418343a6$0$11696$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>, Seattle
Eric <noone@erehwon.gov> writes
So, what are the mechanical differences between a soft focus
lens and a....sharp focus lens?
Spherical aberration designed into the lens.
|
I should perhaps have added that all lenses exhibit spherical aberration
to a greater or less extent, and the degree of spherical aberration
(measured as 'circle of confusion') for all lenses will vary (for any
given lens) according to both focal length and aperture.
--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
123
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:00 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
"G Hardy" <gareth.hardy1@ntlwrold.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If you hadn't I was ready to suggest adding Vaseline to the lens, LOL
I forget where I saw it, but I recall a DVD with a "making of" feature where
the director suggests using Vaseline on the lens to hide wires or something.
I can see it as a legitimate technique for getting that absurdly soft focus
and flare that K-Tel use when advertising '70s hippy music compilations.
|
I recall watching a "making of" of Terminator 1 and they used vaseline to
simulate motion blur in some stop-motion sequences. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:56:42 +0100, Tony Morgan
<tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net> wrote:
| Quote: | In message <vtj6o01v6ltspr889naebe4qhgppa6vlu4@4ax.com>, Martin Heffels
tguei221@handbag.com> writes
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:34:59 -0700, Seattle Eric <noone@erehwon.gov
wrote:
We regularly put nylon BEHIND the lens in 16mm photography, but on a
XL-1 (only Canons let you behind the lens, right?) there doesn't appear
to be any clearance to get a net in there.
That's a good one. Would be interesting to know.
My problem is that when my girlfriend takes her tights off so I can wrap
them around the lens to get soft-focus - I get a hard-focus :-)
Of course for those guys requiring their boy-friend to take off their
tights, I imagine that Vaseline *might* help - depending on how big a
prick they were :-)
|
Ooooo, sleazy , Tony ;-) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ian Molton
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:42 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
| Quote: | Hey Tony.. Go fuck yourself. You're a poser. You're a fucking amateur with
a shit website and no experience doing ANYTHING. Ya dumbshit. Ya fucking
limey dumbshit.
|
His website looks useful to me... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Bill Farnsworth
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:55 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
| Quote: | We regularly put nylon BEHIND the lens in 16mm photography, but on a
XL-1 (only Canons let you behind the lens, right?) there doesn't appear
to be any clearance to get a net in there.
"Martin Heffels" wrote in message
That's a good one. Would be interesting to know.
-m-
|
The product I use is called an "I-ring".
Here is a good example
http://sevenjones.com/devsite/lightbreak/iring/lb_iring_article.html
Bill F. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
a-e-i-o-u-
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
Hey Dumbshit I said METHODS. I have NEVER, EVER seen a feature film shoot
where people added mist filters to a film camera. I've only seen
videographers use them and rearely anymore. And that includes about 40 major
feature films.
You have never been on a film shoot. All you are doing is taking a lame as
opportunity to toss a cheezy insult.
Read the posts before responding like an idiot. Listen up, you might learn
something.
I referred to film cameras and the amateurs in this group , including you,
got their panties all bunched up.
I would agree, you're with the Brits.
"Seattle Eric" <noone@erehwon.gov> wrote in message
news:418344de$0$11696$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net...
| Quote: | Damn you're stupid. Any filter can be used with any camera, dumbfuck. You
just shoot thru it.
Do you actually WORK in this field?
I'm with the brits: you're a wanker.
a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
I was referring to the methods used with film cameras.. which don't
include
a mist filter for video cameras. .
I like your sig though. Seems appropriate.
"Seattle Eric" <noone@erehwon.gov> wrote in message
news:418289d8$0$11701$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net...
eye roll> Or you use one of the many common "mist" filters commercially
available.
Amateurs.
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
a-e-i-o-u-
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:55 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
"Ian Molton" <spyro@f2s.com> wrote in message
news:2uhnikF2andhiU2@uni-berlin.de...
| Quote: | a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
Hey Tony.. Go fuck yourself. You're a poser. You're a fucking amateur
with a shit website and no experience doing ANYTHING. Ya dumbshit. Ya
fucking limey dumbshit.
His website looks useful to me...
|
If you're another amateur it would. I offered a story about a meeting of the
ASC which I attended and was called a liar by someone who plays with toys. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Stuart McKears
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:07 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:44:09 +0100, Tony Morgan <tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | In message <dof5o09ncbqtldrdo41nsdvcbi2sng2iar@4ax.com>, Stuart McKears
postmaster@!$!mckears.delobvious.com> writes
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:40:58 +0100, Tony Morgan <tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net
wrote:
An urban myth.
Afraid not. Almost every cameraman/DoP will have used vaseline at some time in
their career.
Of course, never actually onto the lens but onto plain glass somewhere front
lens. This means that only a portion of the image can be made soft. You can
often see this most marked in quota films - a 2 shot with the male lead sharp
and rugged, the female lead soft and vulnerable!!
Almost everything has been tried, heard of HP sauce, sugar/oil mixture,
you name
it.
I'm not suggesting that it's never done.
What I am saying that the difference in a "grease-job" and a soft-focus
lens the picture (either still or movie) is clear to see. With the
latter the detail is retained, with the former it isn't.
Read Katz, or even better have a look at some of the classic movies
where soft-focus is extensively used (I've just had a look at my copy of
Casablanca which well demonstrates this).
Go to the National Gallery's photographic section or the National
Portrait Gallery [1] and have a look at some of the soft-focus portraits
- OK that's still photography, but just as valid in demonstrating the
difference between grease-jobs and soft-focus (lens use) where detail is
maintained. And for those who aren't sure what to look for, just examine
hair texture and (on close-ups) eyelashes.
[1] I'm lucky that there's a satellite National Portrait Gallery close
by me
at Bodelwyddan Castle.
And it's so easy for a-e-i-o-u to make uncheckable attributions to the
ASC. Which sort of confirms my view of a lot of Americans (not all
though). Unable to make qualitative assessment of either still or movie
image, they resort to support their argument by making such
attributions.
|
You are completely wrong about being able to see the "difference between
grease-jobs and soft-focus (lens use)".
The position of the diffuser, the amount of light behind, the amount of light in
front, the thickness of the diffuser, etc, etc all make a difference to the
visibilty/opacity and therefore it's effect of the diffuser - this is really the
most basic film knowledge.
What is the connection between Casablanca and a soft focus lens?
Why, oh why, do you try to argue about things you know nothing about and then go
on to prove you know nothing about the subject.
Stuart
www.mckears.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nappy-iou
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
"Stuart McKears" <postmaster@!$!mckears.delobvious.com> wrote in message
news:3fg7o01m3j797nb2uc8nt4m4kp7asbkc1v@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:44:09 +0100, Tony Morgan
tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net
wrote:
What is the connection between Casablanca and a soft focus lens?
Why, oh why, do you try to argue about things you know nothing about and
then go
on to prove you know nothing about the subject.
Stuart
www.mckears.com
|
One trip to his website might help explain that.
You're site was very interesting. The 70's pix look eerily reminiscent of my
70's efforts with the 4x5 Graphlex we used in Photo class. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ian Molton
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
| Quote: | His website looks useful to me...
If you're another amateur it would.
|
So why did you call it a 'fucking shit' website? Or shall I just put you
down on the 'foulmouthed yank' list ? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Stuart McKears
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:08 am Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:18:45 GMT, "nappy-iou" <go_fuck@yourself.com> wrote:
| Quote: | You're site was very interesting. The 70's pix look eerily reminiscent of my
70's efforts with the 4x5 Graphlex we used in Photo class.
|
Ta, muchly.
All the main 70s stuff was shot on either a Mamiya C3 or a RB67.
All the main 60s stuff was shot on 5x4, various cameras, mind to addled to
remember which.
Stuart
www.mckears.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tony Morgan
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:11 am Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
In message <3fg7o01m3j797nb2uc8nt4m4kp7asbkc1v@4ax.com>, Stuart McKears
<postmaster@!$!mckears.delobvious.com> writes
| Quote: | What is the connection between Casablanca and a soft focus lens?
|
The very fact that you ask the question tells us all that in spite of
being a self-proclaimed professional, you really know sweet FA about
movies or movie camerawork.
| Quote: |
Why, oh why, do you try to argue about things you know nothing about
and then go on to prove you know nothing about the subject.
|
Have you ever asked yourself the question why all the major lens
manufacturers have for many, many years offered soft-focus lenses (that
are significantly more expensive than their straight lenses) - when all
they have to do (if you are to be believed) is offer or give away a jar
of vaseline.
Insofar as knowing nothing about it, my degree was in Physics, but one
of the major options was Optics. I worked for Vision Optics at
Borehamwod on development of the F.67 photo-reconnaisance camera, but
when Thomson bought out Vision, the RAF wouldn't buy from a French
company and went for the US KA18A camera instead. 25 of us were made
redundant.
Though this period was relatively short, and a long time ago, I consider
myself to be well conversant with optics and optical design. Since you
clearly disagree, I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree.
It's pointless continuing this discussion with someone who seriously
believes that smearing a lens with vaseline will give the same results
as a properly designed soft-focus lens.
--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tony Morgan
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:00 am Post subject:
Re: Vaseline Effect with Premiere Pro |
|
|
In message <dof5o09ncbqtldrdo41nsdvcbi2sng2iar@4ax.com>, Stuart McKears
<postmaster@!$!mckears.delobvious.com> writes
| Quote: | On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:40:58 +0100, Tony Morgan <tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net
wrote:
An urban myth.
Afraid not. Almost every cameraman/DoP will have used vaseline at some time in
their career.
Of course, never actually onto the lens but onto plain glass somewhere front
lens. This means that only a portion of the image can be made soft. You can
often see this most marked in quota films - a 2 shot with the male lead sharp
and rugged, the female lead soft and vulnerable!!
Almost everything has been tried, heard of HP sauce, sugar/oil mixture,
you name
it.
|
I should have done it before (I'm surprised that you haven't Stuart),
but I've just Googled on 'soft focus lens'.
Among the long list (that can be filtered a little by adding
"cinematography" was the ZGC Motion Picture Film and Video Sales site,
specifically the page on the Cooke S4 range of lenses.
Here's just a small quote:
<about the T4 lens range> Designed and developed in close technical
collaboration with Clairmont Camera and Otto Nemenz in Hollywood, the
Cooke Series 4 Prime Lenses represent a major advance in fixed focal
length lenses for 35mm format professional cinematography.
And (lower down) about the soft focus lens's:
65mm SF = Soft focus attachment for 65mm focal length and 75mm focal
length via a Cooke 75mm adapter ring. The design for the attachment is
based on Cooke's PS945 soft focus lens for 4x5 large format photography.
See the effect in sample photos taken with the PS945 lens. The effect is
high resolution with a stunning glow to the highlights -- subtle, but
most pronounced wide open at T2, becoming less pronounced as you stop
down.
And, from the Film Credits page of the CookeOpticsLimited website, they
are a (the?) major supplier of lenses to the professional cinetatograph
and video production companies. And I cannot find a single jar of
vaseline on their site :-)
--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
FAQ
Memberlist
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in